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BSE/TSE/vCJD 'What if' ?????????

RoperAB

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You have to stand or something or you will fall for anything.
Yesterday when some were posting and trying to undermine our troops and our society it was also the 90th anniversery of the first day of the Somme.
Im sure this means nothing to the hardcore liberal crowd who looks at the personal sacrifices that others make for unselfish reasons as nothing but the actions of suckers, but I will post it anyways.
On the first day of the Somme, over 50,000 casualties. The total cost of the Somme battle was over 650,000 casualties on our side alone by young men who believed in something bigger than themselves. By men who we owe what we have today.
I cant help but to be reminded of the last few words of Lieutenant Colonel McCraeverses before he died on the front.

"We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders fields.

Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.

What bothers me the most about the selfish hardcore Liberals is that its not enough for them, to just not contribute anything.
Its not enough for them to enjoy and profit by what is given to them.
What bothers me is when they have to try to tear down and undermine the ones who do go out and give of themselves to make a difference.
I guess this is how they feel better of there own selfishness and cowardness. Pretty sad really. I guess they think if they live long enough that someday their life will have meaning.

"Prosperity Divides"
I think some of you, have had things to easy for to long.
 
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Anonymous

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I guess the number one thing that convinces me that the terrorist threat is real and that there was no great Bush conspiracy on the Twin Towers and the Al Quaeda pulled it off, is that my sister just retired as an FBI Agent after 25 years service...Before she retired she spent many years as the Asst SAC (Special Agent in Charge) of the Security Squad (counterterrorism unit) of a major midwestern city and area of the country...

Now she is an old Montana raised girl and is no way a part of any conspiracy-- but for years in talking with her she had pointed out the dangers of some of these movements, and the problems they were having in convincing the Clinton/Reno crew of them...Clinton/Reno were sticking their heads in the sand, hoping it would all go away, much the same way Bush is now doing with the immigration problem, a USDA run amuck, and the oil industry profiteering....On the day of 9/11 she was at my house on vacation- I woke her to show her the burning tower-- the minute the second plane deliberately flew in the second tower two words came out of her mouth--Al Quaeda!!!!

She said that the breaking intelligence had indicated Al Quaeda was trying to pull off another major attack, but they had not known how or where- and that they had foiled two previous plots where they had planned to hijack international flights and fly them into buildings around the world...She had no doubt who was behind this...

One of her friends that died in the towers was a former counterterrorism agent that had predicted the attack on the towers, thru the intelligence he had gathered...He had just retired from the New York office and had taken over the job as head of Security for the World Trade Center...

But they could not convince the Political powers to be or the American public to the danger...Ollie North even spoke of the danger of these groups back in the 80's...Like I said- Canada is not immune and could easily be the next target- and it may take that to wake the Canadian citizenry too...

We live in a society that is reactive, instead of proactive. And then when we react we usually go way overboard....
 

Kathy

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Excerpt from an interview with General Pace with Jorge Hirsch.


General Pace: Nuclear War Illegal

In an interview at the National Press Club on Feb. 17, 2006, the chairman of the US-Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Peter Pace, said: “It is the absolute responsibility of everybody in uniform to disobey an order that is either illegal or immoral. (…) They [the troops] will be held accountable for the decisions they make. So they should in fact not obey the illegal and immoral orders to use weapons of mass destruction.” Asked if commanders aren’t supposed to follow orders from their superiors, General Pace states “They still have very clear choices to make, and their choices will have major impact, both on the troops who look to them for leadership right now and on their own personal fate when this is all over.” Even orders from superiors, “including the president and the secretary of defense” do not give legitimation to “commit crimes against humanity.” Therefore every soldier is fully responsible for the decision he makes, and he obeys his orders at his own risk. The International Court of Justice determined in 1996 that “the threat or use of nuclear weapons would generally be contrary to the rules of international law applicable in armed conflict, and in particular the principles and rules of humanitarian law.” Consequently any order that could lead with reasonable probability to the use of nuclear weapons should be disobeyed. Preparations for the purpose of committing an illegal and immoral act are also forbidden. According to the principles of the Nuremberg Tribunal the fact that a person acted pursuent to order of his government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible to him. Furthermore complicity in the commission of a crime against peace, a war crime, or a crime against humanity as set forth in Nuremberg Principles VI is a crime under international law.

In his discussion of General Pace’s statements Jorge Hirsch writes “Slowly, evidence will accumulate that the use of nuclear weapons against iran was a premeditated act, following many years of planning. No matter how careful planners were in erasing their tracks, evidence will slowly surface. Classified information will become declassified. Leaks will occur.” Nuremberg will come again.

Link:

http://www.currentconcerns.ch/archive/2006/special01/2006s111.php
 

Kathy

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Nuclear weapons have already been deployed. Several nations use them, because they say they protect the lives of soldiers (ie: DU weaponry). The figures in this article below, debate that issue.

www.gulfwarvets.com

This website gives information on health problems of gulf war veterans, and offers assistance to them.

DU Death Toll Tops 11,000
Nationwide Media Blackout Keeps U.S. Public Ignorant About This Important Story

http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/du_death_toll.html
By James P. Tucker Jr.

The death toll from the highly toxic weapons component known as depleted
uranium (DU) has reached 11,000 soldiers and the growing scandal may be the reason behind Anthony Principi’s departure as secretary of the Veterans
Affairs Department.

This view was expressed by Arthur Bernklau, executive director of Veterans for Constitutional Law in New York, writing in Preventive Psychiatry E-Newsletter.

“The real reason for Mr. Principi’s departure was really never given,” Bernklau said. “However, a special report published by eminent scientist Leuren Moret naming depleted uranium as the definitive cause of ‘Gulf War Syndrome’ has fed a growing scandal about the continued use of uranium
munitions by the U.S. military.”

The “malady [from DU] that thousands of our military have suffered and died from has finally been identified as the cause of this sickness, eliminating the guessing. . . . The terrible truth is now being revealed,” Bernklau said.

Of the 580,400 soldiers who served in Gulf War I, 11,000 are now dead, he said. By the year 2000, there were 325,000 on permanent medical disability. More than a decade later, more than half (56 percent) who served in Gulf War I have permanent medical problems. The disability rate for veterans of the world wars of the last century was 5 percent, rising to 10 percent in Vietnam.

“The VA secretary was aware of this fact as far back as 2000,” Bernklau said. “He and the Bush administration have been hiding these facts, but now, thanks to Moret’s report, it is far too big to hide or to cover up.”

Terry Johnson, public affairs specialist at the VA, recently reported that veterans of both Persian Gulf wars now on disability total 518,739, Bernklau said.

“The long-term effect of DU is a virtual death sentence,” Bernklau said. “Marion Fulk, a nuclear chemist, who retired from the Lawrence Livermore Nuclear Weapons Lab, and was also involved in the Manhattan Project, interprets the new and rapid malignancies in the soldiers [from the second war] as ‘spectacular’—and a matter of concern.’ ”

While this important story appeared in a Washington newspaper and the wire services, it did not receive national exposure—a compelling sign that the American public is being kept in the dark about the terrible effects of this toxic weapon. (Veterans for Constitutional Law can be reached at (516) 474-4261.)
 

Kathy

Well-known member
http://www.gulfwarvets.com/northwoods.pdf

"Pretext to Justify US Military Intervention in Cuba"
(the Northwoods document)

The link from the gulf war veterans association's webpage above, is to an unclassified US government document which discusses a proposed plan to make Cuba look "rash and irresponsible" and "a threat to the Western Hemisphere".

The unclassified document from March 13, 1962 is 15 pages long. If you're too impatient to read it all, skip to the last 5 pages (pg 10-15), which describe how the US government planned to frame Cuba, by making it appear that they shot down an American passenger plane, sunk American boats, etc, etc. etc.

http://www.gulfwarvets.com/northwoods.pdf
 

bse-tester

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Kathy wrote:

Had members of your own government and country not pulled off the demolition of the twin towers and building 7, the drum beating and war games would not have happened.

Yes, 911 was "the next Pearl Harbour", the one which was needed to force the Patriot Act, and Homeland Security Act. Those of you who don't know, Pearl Harbour was a set up as well. Japanese may have done the bombing; but US generals congregated all the naval warships into Pearl Harbor so they would be sitting ducks.

I certainly believe what I believe because I have looked at the FACTS which tell the truth. The truth is what it is, whether you want to acknowledge it - well that's your choice. But when Bush, or whoever, impliments "the draft" you might actually want to look up some of these things.

Very prominent people in science have come forward stating that "without a doubt, the WTCs and Building #7 were brought down by a controlled demolition using "thermate" to melt through the masive columns and explosive charges. The fires from the planes didn't do it. Sorry, if that is uncomfortable for you, but it is FACT.


As the only Canadian honoured to attend the Shore-Side Ceremonies at Pearl on December 7th, 2001, I can tell all of you that I have never before been as humbled as I was then. I personally attended the ceremonies with my Mother & Father, who were invited to attend on behalf of the Royal Naval Association. My wife and I, along with our two grown children were honored to attend by special invitation of the Superintendent of Pearl Harbor.

During the ceremonies, we witnessed the most intense sense of dignity being put forward by the members of the US Navy Survivors who greeted members of the Japanese Navy who were part of the attack force that bombed Pearl and to see those men hug each other and the tears that flowed brought a new and refreshing sense of humanity to the entire proceedings. As part of the Shore-Side Ceremony itself, a Japanese Priest was honoured to provide a speech to honour both the American and Japanese fatalities of that fateful day in 1941. Further more, the State of Hawaii paid for and brought over to the ceremonies, 300 New York Firemen and their families and also 300 New York Police Officers and their families. The entire morning was dedicated not only to those who died in 1941, but also to those who perished in New York on September 11, 2001.

For any one to even suggest that the US Government was part of the New York World Trade disaster and to then go further and suggest that the government of the day back in 1941 was also involved in setting up the attack on Pearl is nothing short of pure ignorance.

Jet fuel, when it is allowed to burn in a confined space such as those towers, will create its own firestorm as air is drawn into the inferno from the many broken windows, that in turn will generate temperatures not usually seen in a field training burn on a wrecked old aircraft. Temperatures that can melt steel and anything else literally will be attained very quickly.

To suggest that this is some kind of US/Islamic plot is nothing short of pure ignorance that makes me rethink who and why anyone who would put forward that obscene idea would ever wish to succumb to that form of thinking. Besides, I seem to recall that the US Navy has what are normally called Admirals - not Generals!!!

Conspiracy theories can only thrive if they have hard and irrefutable evidence that is public and thoroughly checked out and known to be absolutely true. They can also thrive if they are put forward by those who believe everything they read while knowing nothing of what the real facts are!! Hell, for all I know, old Bin Laden is probably housed in the Waldorf Astoria in New York and is being taped every once in a while in Central Park down by the lake where all the rocks are!!

I think I have now read all things in life and can now go to my grave knowing that the world is truly flat!!
 

RobertMac

Well-known member
RobertMac said:
Kathy and Randy, a question for you...there are plenty of people in positions of power that would be more than willing to bring this administration down, if there was any element of truth to those "facts", why hasn't anything happened?

CBS used forged documents to try to influence the Presidential against Pres. Bush, but they fail to use what you claim to be facts against the same President they tried to keep from being elected...WHY?????

The New York Times published a story that will increase the danger of an attack on the free world just to try to hurt this administration...why aren't they using 'your facts' to hurt this administration?

WHY?
 

Kathy

Well-known member
I noted this site "Campaign Against Depleted Uranium" has not been updated since December 2002. However, it still contains some very interesting information regarding the testing of DU weapons in Britain and Scotland, as well as Puerto Rica.

Link: http://www.cadu.org.uk/news/7.htm

Protesters blocked the United States navy bombing exercises on the Puerto Rican island of Vieques on April 25th, after they occupied the range and vowed to act as human shields. Vieques mayor was one of the first into the restricted zone. “You can capture and arrest me that’s for sure. But when you do, you should understand that you will have to jail the mayor of Vieques. I have no intention of defending myself in court, nor paying bail to win my release.”

The US has used Vieques, a small island with about 9,000 residents as a bombing range, including the testing of DU weapons, for more than 50 years and in 1999 an islander was killed during the bombing. Figures compiled 1990-94 show that the islanders are 27% more likely to get cancer than those on the mainland of Puerto Rica. It is estimated that since then the rate has risen to 52%. The US military have water for their own use piped over from the mainland to avoid contamination.

Testing in Britain

The risks of Depleted Uranium are not only present during wars, or far-off conflicts, but affect us much closer to home, where the weapons are manufactured and tested.

Regular test-firing of depleted uranium shells started in 1980 at Eskmeals in Cumbria and at the Ministry of Defence's firing range at Dundrennan, near Kirkcudbright in South-west Scotland in 1981. Firing of depleted uranium by the MoD has also occurred at West Freugh near Stranraer, White Sands, New Mexico, Aberdeen, Maryland in the United States, and Gramat in France. In June 1993 the MoD, answering a parliamentary question, in effect denied that there was any problem with 'only very low levels of radioactivity' detected. But when radiation reports were made public (with some excisions) in July these revealed serious contamination outside the controlled area at Eskmeals, and grass and soil samples at Kirkcudbright were 'well above acceptable limits'. The firing result in the accumulation of radioactive waste at these sites, currently 91 cubic metres at Eskmeals estimated to rise to 468 cubic metres by 2030. At Kirkcudbright there is considered to be no nuclear waste as depleted uranium shells are fired into the Solway Firth.

At Kirkcudbright a misfiring on 13 November 1989 involved a depleted uranium shell exploding into fragments on hitting a stone bank. This resulted in a local concentration of 1,692 mg/kg well exceeding the MoD's normal limit of 72 mg/kg and upper limit of 300 mg/kg. Presumably, in investigating this incident, military personnel inspected the site of impact and were exposed to this concentration. Depending on wind and weather conditions, local populations in Britain may be exposed to unknown concentrations over prolonged periods.


The area of southern Scotland used to test depleted uranium weapons has the highest rate of childhood leukaemia in Scotland. The residents of the flats in Amsterdam into which the El Al jet crashed in 1992 have also reported mysterious illnesses (the jet had depleted uranium counterweights - see CADU News issue 3).
 

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