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Buckwheat: "Carrying Guns Undermines Justice"

Mike

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With National Guard now stationed in Ferguson, Missouri as the riots and protests there continue over the shooting death of an unarmed teen by police, Obama held a press conference where he said that citizens carrying guns undermines justice (Via the Chicago Tribune):


“While I understand the passions and the anger that arise over the death of Michael Brown, giving in to that anger by looting or carrying guns, and even attacking the police, only serves to raise tensions and stir chaos,” Obama told a news conference. “It undermines, rather than advancing, justice.”



Remember that game on Sesame Street? “Which of these things is not like the other…”

The president mentioned looting, carrying guns and attacking the police. But these three things aren’t all the same. Two of these things are crimes. One of them is not.

In fact, there are no Missouri state permit requirements for the purchase of a rifle, shotgun or handgun, and there are no state licensing requirements to possess these guns, either. Concealed carry is legal in the state with a valid endorsement or permit.

Live feeds from Ferguson have already shown shop owners protecting their stores by standing guard at the entrances with guns; some shops that haven’t been looted or destroyed have actually been saved because of guns.

It’s called the 2nd Amendment of the Bill of Rights, something we still have in this country.

Beyond that, it’s sad and ironic that our president would even use the tragedy and subsequent fallout in Ferguson as an excuse to demonize guns in the hands of civilians, when the dead teen everyone is protesting over here was completely unarmed and shot at least six times by a police officer, including two shots to the head.

So, according to Obama, a town that is angrily protesting what they feel is a shooting murder at the hands of the police of an unarmed teenager should just give up all their guns altogether…so that the only people who have guns in that town are those same police?

Why would anyone in Ferguson want to be able to personally protect themselves? It’s not like the police are driving down city streets in mine resistant, ambush protected tanks straight off the battlefields of Afghanistan, equipped with .50 cals, LRAD weapons, tear gas, and rubber bullets or anything…

…oh wait…
 
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Huey P. Newton Gun Club stages open carry rally through Dallas (VIDEO)

8/21/14 | by Chris Eger
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A group of some 30 African-American gun rights advocates marched in South Dallas Wednesday evening to promote self-defense and protest police shootings.

The newly formed group, calling themselves the Huey P. Newton Gun Club after one of the founders of the 1960s Black Panther party, open-carried rifles and shotguns on their evening walk along Malcom X and Martin Luther King boulevards. The peaceful activists, clad in black, according to the Dallas Morning News, chanted “Black Power” and “Justice for Michael Brown” along their route.

“We think that all black people have the right to self-defense and self-determination,” said Huey Freeman, a march organizer. “We believe that we can police ourselves and bring security to our own communities.”

After announcing plans for the rally earlier this week the group began its march around 8 p.m. at a carwash on Malcom X Boulevard and wound through the neighborhood for about 90 minutes. Walking and talking to local residents throughout its rally, the group stopped at a restaurant and ate alongside a Dallas Police Department deputy chief and shift lieutenant who were already patronizing the establishment.

Noted Second Amendment scholar Adam Winkler in the past described namesake Newton, and the Black Panthers, who routinely conducted armed patrols to “police the police” as “the true pioneers of the modern pro-gun movement.” The group seems to intend to walk in the footsteps of those vintage firebrands.

In a public release to the media, the new group advised that they will “conduct the first of an ongoing and necessary armed self-defense patrols through our communities in the coming week.
Full article:
http://www.guns.com/2014/08/21/huey-p-newton-gun-club-stages-open-carry-rally-through-dallas-video/

Sounds like these folks are trying to say what's good for the goose is good for the gander...

More gun packing then the days of Wyatt Earp... More guns and camo than the streets of Baghdad... :roll: :(

I'm not sure if its true or not- but seeing more and more reports that are saying several more witness's have came forward backing the Ferguson police officers version- and even Browns alleged accomplice in the strong arm robbery has changed his story and is backing the officers version...
 

Steve

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well OT for as much as I dislike the new black panthers ...

there is some truth to what they are saying.. and it is their right to open carry... in fact I am glad they did,.. and that it was peaceful..

police can only act after the crime for the most part in black communities..

these riots in Ferguson clearly showed the limit of police power..

From the beginning of the rifle open carry movement in Texas, anti-gun Democrats have pretended that the movement is entirely right-wing, white, and male. The fact that the open carry protesters were often represented by African-Americans, Hispanics, Asian-Americans and women was completely ignored… it didn’t fit the narrative that the anti-gun Democrats were trying to create.

An assertion was made repeatedly that if a group composed of minorities attempted a similar open carry march, that the police would shoot them to pieces, or that white society would lose their minds in hysterical fear.

Well, that hypothetical walk just became a reality and somehow, it seemed that everything went off without a hitch.

A group of about 30 people conducted an armed self-defense patrol in parts of South Dallas on Wednesday afternoon.

The people, members of the Huey P. Newton Gun Club, walked along sidewalks and into a neighborhood restaurant along Martin Luther King Boulevard.

The gun club said in a release that the “recent murders of unarmed black, brown, and whites across the United States of America has eradicated trust in the police.”

The gun club was created for community policing and self-defense.
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Those of you who are “of a certain age” will no doubt recognize the name Huey P. Newton, the co-founder of the Black Panthers, and there is no doubt that the Huey P. Newton Gun Club has a militant, leftist, and racial bent to its messaging.

You know what? That’s okay.

All in all, it was a good march. The Huey P. Newton Gun Club go their message across, and shockingly, the police and citizenry respected their right to exercise their First and Second Amendment rights… without anyone losing their minds.

Shannon Watts, presumably on her second box of wine for the day and hiding behind her Bloomberg security detail, could not be reached for comment.

they had a peaceful night last night in Ferguson.. because the community leaders stepped in and stepped up...

they could have doubled the police force.. called a curfew.. it wouldn't work.. they could back off,.. downplay the police presence.., walk among the crowd.. and try to be one of them.. it wouldn't work..

but when their community stood and confronted the violence and stood in the way of those committing crime.. it started working..

and last night as the community leaders pointed out the agitators/thugs, and the crowds moved away from the agitator/thugs.. it worked and there was for the most part quiet..

carrying guns isn't the problem,.. thugs are... and thugs come in all colors and from all walks of life..


I may not agree with the group,.. but I am glad they carried weapons.
 
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Steve said:
carrying guns isn't the problem,.. thugs are... and thugs come in all colors and from all walks of life..

I agree 100%- but its sad that the streets of this country have gotten so bad that so many believe they have to carry an AK-47 or AR-15 around with them...
 

Steve

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Oldtimer said:
Steve said:
carrying guns isn't the problem,.. thugs are... and thugs come in all colors and from all walks of life..

I agree 100%- but its sad that the streets of this country have gotten so bad that so many believe they have to carry an AK-47 or AR-15 around with them...

it is because the thugs know the law abiding get into a s--- load of trouble if they defend themselves..

carrying an AR/AK sends a message the thugs understand...

just like a big dog..

there are two sounds these thugs understand.. the slamming of a cell door,.. and the slide of a gun.
 

Mike

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Oldtimer said:
Steve said:
carrying guns isn't the problem,.. thugs are... and thugs come in all colors and from all walks of life..

I agree 100%- but its sad that the streets of this country have gotten so bad that so many believe they have to carry an AK-47 or AR-15 around with them...

I can take you to some streets that you wouldn't walk down without packing.
 

Big Muddy rancher

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Oldtimer said:
Steve said:
carrying guns isn't the problem,.. thugs are... and thugs come in all colors and from all walks of life..

I agree 100%- but its sad that the streets of this country have gotten so bad that so many believe they have to carry an AK-47 or AR-15 around with them...

You don't have issue with Gays but do have problems with that garish presentation of that lifestyle in some "Gay rights" parades?
 
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Big Muddy rancher said:
Oldtimer said:
Steve said:
carrying guns isn't the problem,.. thugs are... and thugs come in all colors and from all walks of life..

I agree 100%- but its sad that the streets of this country have gotten so bad that so many believe they have to carry an AK-47 or AR-15 around with them...

You don't have issue with Gays but do have problems with that garish presentation of that lifestyle in some "Gay rights" parades?

Both are examples of extremism... I don't have an issue with gays- but believe they are hurting their cause when they have the radical displays in parades and such... Same with gun rights folks...

While they both have the right to demonstrate and flaunt their issues- I think it does both more harm then good...
 

Mike

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Oldtimer said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
Oldtimer said:
I agree 100%- but its sad that the streets of this country have gotten so bad that so many believe they have to carry an AK-47 or AR-15 around with them...

You don't have issue with Gays but do have problems with that garish presentation of that lifestyle in some "Gay rights" parades?

Both are examples of extremism... I don't have an issue with gays- but believe they are hurting their cause when they have the radical displays in parades and such... Same with gun rights folks...

While they both have the right to demonstrate and flaunt their issues- I think it does both more harm then good...

Your examples are exactly polar opposites and stupid. The Radical Left is promoting gays and their antics, but want to eliminate our gun rights.

The Gays are wanting to push deviancy down our throats and the Right is asserting that the 2nd Amendment is alive and well................
 
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Mike said:
Oldtimer said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
You don't have issue with Gays but do have problems with that garish presentation of that lifestyle in some "Gay rights" parades?

Both are examples of extremism... I don't have an issue with gays- but believe they are hurting their cause when they have the radical displays in parades and such... Same with gun rights folks...

While they both have the right to demonstrate and flaunt their issues- I think it does both more harm then good...

Your examples are exactly polar opposites and stupid. The Radical Left is promoting gays and their antics, but want to eliminate our gun rights.

The Gays are wanting to push deviancy down our throats and the Right is asserting that the 2nd Amendment is alive and well................

The left is demonstrating and promoting their rights under the 14th Amendment- and the Equal Protection law:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
along with the very foundation of our Declaration of Independence, which contains these words:
"We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal."


While the right is demonstrating and promoting the 2nd Amendment which says:
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

In doing so- both are exercising their 1st Amendment right:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Altho the courts have put some limitations to all of the amendments- such as the outlawing of actions like "yelling FIRE in a packed theatre" or convicted felons and underage children being able to purchase firearms....
 

Mike

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Do you think you're the only one who has learned these things? :???:

I understand perfectly the words of the Constitution & the Declaration.

It's that I'm having a hard time finding where they protect the Deviant Lifestyle that they're trying to push down our throats.

And don't say, "Don't Watch It", because it's on every TV in town at some point.
 
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