Face it the Debt Ceiling is a JOKE with a capital J. Has there ever been a time when the President has not got a raise when he reaches the old one? If the Congress is threatened with the inability to pay their bills they crumble and give in to the raise, EVERYTIME. That is why the US is now in the mess it is in. Nobody says NO, they just keep raising the debt and never making anyone live within their means. And the Voters are to blame as they are the ones that are being used as a weapon against those willing to stand strong and say no. If a Congressman says no you can bet they will be painted as the meanies by the media and the VOTERS PUNISH THEM BY NOT VOTING AGAIN FOR THEM. If the VOTERS want a change in Washington DC they need to stand by those willing to say NO, but until that happens NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE. :roll: