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Bundy interview

kolanuraven

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Just watched a live TV interview with Cliven Bundy .


Bless his heart..................... <<shaking head sadly>>


He is tarnishing the ' rancher' image.
 

ranch hand

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I don't know Bundy, but I feel for him on the BLM taking away his livelihood years ago. He is an old time rancher that has been screwed over by the greenies, the government and the media. If they had just left him alone with his grazing rights he had there would probably be no problems now. The turtle is just an excuse to take the cows off the land. How are they going to do solar on the BLM land (might not be there but is close) without hurting the turtles.
Here it is other species they are trying to use to remove the cows, next will be the people that use the land for hunting or playing. They are already shutting down areas for public use. This would be easier to take if they applied it to everyone the same. But why no big guns taking back the land next to the border the drug lords and illegals use and public was told to stay off of as it was too dangerous? No instead we allow all that free as if it is their god given right.
People after awhile just get tired of giving in everytime someone sues, changes the rules and tries to make your life hell. I don't know the answer, but people need to wake up and do something before there is a war in our country of government against honest hard working people who are getting tired of giving to those who want to do nothing. Look at the case of the vet and the squatter, the land grab in Texas, the water rights guy in Wyoming, the farmers who lost to the fish and on and on.
 

Mike

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I don't know Bundy, but I feel for him on the BLM taking away his livelihood years ago. He is an old time rancher that has been screwed over by the greenies, the government and the media. If they had just left him alone with his grazing rights he had there would probably be no problems now. The turtle is just an excuse to take the cows off the land.

Especially when cows have been shown to be important to the habitat of the turtles.

There's been much too much emotion and ignorance by OT and the liberals on the Bundy situation.

It's to the point of sickening.
 

ranch hand

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What I saw today.
Today I saw a man, a simple rancher, try his hardest to tell the world that we are all being abused by our government. I also saw the sound bite sharks swarming the waters of the Bundy ranch, waiting with baited breath for a man who struggled to come up with the word "vocabulary" to say something they could use to make him look bad. I think it is very sad that we have come to a point in our society where a man is required to be well spoken, highly educated, strictly politically correct and have prepared all of his messaging and sound bites to perfectly mesh with the medias expectations or he cannot get a fair shake.


I have not known Cliven for that long, but long enough to tell you he is definitely not racist. He is simply an old rancher. He has tremendous love in his heart and all he was trying to do was express the sadness that he feels for his fellow man. It is unfortunate that today we are so quick to snatch a few soundbites and use them to condemn a man so quickly. Even in this group "Support Cliven Bundy" I am seeing messages from people who are more influenced by the soundbite mafia than their own thought processes.

At the end of the day this whole issue is so much larger than Cliven or his ability to carry our banner for us. This is about our freedoms much more than it is Cliven or his cows. We need to wake up to the fact that all of us are being slowly, one regulation at a time, put into slavery to our government. So it is about time we picked up that banner and stopped making Cliven carry it for us.
- @Shannon Bushman's

Going around Facebook as OT says.
 
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kolanuraven said:
Just watched a live TV interview with Cliven Bundy .


Bless his heart..................... <<shaking head sadly>>


He is tarnishing the ' rancher' image.


While this incident is doing terrible harm to the image of cattlemen and ranchers thru out the country- and to the public land grazing issues image-- I think it is doing some substantial benefit to awakening the country to dangers of these radical right extremists and the Tea Party group(s) that over the last few years have opened their arms and taken these nutcase types in ...

Those Tea Party politicians that took Bundy (and his gun toting supporters) on as their folk hero's of the anti-government movement are now running from him (and his nutcase extremist handlers/guards) faster than a turpentined dog...
 

ranch hand

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http://m.timesdispatch.com/news/state-regional/virginia-politics/jackson-suggests-welfare-has-been-worse-than-slavery/article_257b8879-1564-5dde-928c-37713a2cd9c1.html?mode=jqm
 

Mike

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Most cognizant people see this as an over-reach by Gov't for sending 200+ snipers and sharpshooters to collect a questionable debt.

If anyone here thinks this will apply a negative stigma to a rancher anywhere is seriously misguided.

When you apply the "Environmental" (Tortoise) aspect to it, all doubt is eliminated.

The Ruby Ridge & Waco murder atrocities set every bit of this up.
 

flounder

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http://thecolbertreport.cc.com/videos/ehanpl/the-ballad-of-cliven-bundy


you must listen to one of bundy’s clan explain how ;

‘’we were actually strategizing to put all the women up at the front, if there going to start shooting, it’s going to be women that are going to be televised all across the world getting shot by these rogue federal officers.’’

wow, what kind of manly men do we have with this republicanism movement, that wants no government at al, that wants to go back to the days of lawless disorder ???

Colbert Sings 'The Ballad Of Cliven Bundy', Says Bundy And Hannity 'Go Together Like Ku And Klux'

http://thecolbertreport.cc.com/videos/ehanpl/the-ballad-of-cliven-bundy
 

ranch hand

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OT how about your side taking in the Black Panthers, the Muslim Brother hood, the Occupy groups? You think that is all fine and dandy? How do you know it is giving the ranchers a black eye? Did the barmaid tell you she read it on Facebook as it is the main topic now days on facebook? :lol: :shock: :eek: :) :D :) :( :???: 8) :p :twisted: :roll: :wink: :!: :evil: :mad: :???:
 

Mike

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Funny how they always leave out the part of cutting his grazing rights back to nearly nothing over the cattle being harmful to the Turtles.
 

flounder

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flounder said:
http://thecolbertreport.cc.com/videos/ehanpl/the-ballad-of-cliven-bundy


you must listen to one of bundy’s clan explain how ;

‘’we were actually strategizing to put all the women up at the front, if there going to start shooting, it’s going to be women that are going to be televised all across the world getting shot by these rogue federal officers.’’

wow, what kind of manly men do we have with this republicanism movement, that wants no government at al, that wants to go back to the days of lawless disorder ???

Colbert Sings 'The Ballad Of Cliven Bundy', Says Bundy And Hannity 'Go Together Like Ku And Klux'

http://thecolbertreport.cc.com/videos/ehanpl/the-ballad-of-cliven-bundy



Friday, Apr 25, 2014 11:10 AM CDT

Fox News’ new laughingstock: Cliven Bundy — and Stephen Colbert — will destroy Sean Hannity

Sean Hannity's done. Roger Ailes booted Glenn Beck when he became a liability. A Colbert clip might make it so Joan Walsh


I’ll admit, this brilliant Stephen Colbert piece made me wonder: Could Sean Hannity’s detestable role in making Cliven Bundy a right-wing folk hero, and his lingering embrace of Bundy despite signs that his Nevada standoff would never end well, doom him at Fox? You’ll enjoy Colbert’s “Ballad of Cliven Bundy,” which falls apart because “unfortunately, nothing rhymes with Negro.”

Hannity is already in some trouble: Roger Ailes gave Megyn Kelly his ultra-prime 9 p.m. prime-time slot and bumped him to 10 p.m. last year. And remember, Ailes dumped Glenn Beck when he became a laughingstock and a liability for the network, and for conservatism. Hannity has done the same.

Now, it’s not about Hannity’s politics, and it wasn’t about Beck’s either. I agree with Ailes biographer Gabriel Sherman, who argues that “Ailes is more extreme than Glenn Beck.” Sherman explained: “One thing that makes Roger Ailes a genius is he obscures his true agenda. Glenn Beck is transparent.” Beck’s sin wasn’t his increasingly extreme conservatism; it was damaging extreme conservatism by making one of its leading faces an unstable lunatic.

Hannity likewise damaged right-wing politics by making Cliven Bundy a hero. Now he and the entire network have to backtrack, but the travesty once again exposed the way racism so often goes along with right-wing ideology today. (Often, not always.)

Yes, it was Colbert who made me think about the possibility that we’re watching Hannity self-destruct. I don’t watch Hannity, so I’d missed the clip Colbert showed, where the Fox host told the welfare cowboy, “You and your family seem like really nice people.” This makes a lie out of Hannity’s insistence Thursday night that he merely endorsed the rancher’s struggles against government overreach, not the rancher himself.

But even before Bundy’s ongoing self-exposure as a racist, he should have been too toxic even for Hannity and Fox. How does a guy who declared early on “I don’t recognize the United States government as even existing” become a folk hero in the first place? The extremism of that statement should have been warning enough that Bundy was not only crazy but dangerous (and probably racist to boot, since not believing in the federal government tends to go along with not believing in the Emancipation Proclamation or the 13th Amendment, as Colbert noted.)

Now Hannity is trying desperately to distance himself from Bundy. “The ranch standoff that took place out in Nevada was not about a man named Cliven Bundy,” Hannity declared, in a segment, unbelievingly, titled “Government Gone WILD. “At the heart of this issue was my belief that our government is simply out of control.” Of course it was Ronald Reagan who imposed the grazing fees Bundy refused to pay. Cliven Bundy only became a hero to many on the right because he was standing up to Obama.

To many, I should add, not all, or even most. The Weekly Standard is getting a lot of praise for this piece warning against lionizing Bundy, even before he began his racist rants. It’s great; it’s also common sense.

Let’s remember it was Hannity who also made George Zimmerman a right-wing folk hero, when Trayvon Martin’s killer chose Hannity to tell his story to, even after his own lawyers advised against it. Now, as Colbert noted, Hannity’s embrace of Bundy makes the two righties “as close as Ku and Klux.” Ailes can’t afford to make Fox the “Klan” in that punch line. Hannity has endangered not only Fox but the right-wing project to which Ailes has devoted not just his network but his life.

The wily Roger Ailes of old would see that – he likes his racial resentment a little bit more subtle; stirred, not shaken, you might say — and Hannity would be in trouble. But it’s possible the Roger Ailes of today is poisoned by his own Obama-hatred and too many years of working with toxic racial bile, and Hannity will keep his job.

http://www.salon.com/2014/04/25/fox_news_new_laughing_stock_cliven_bundy_and_stephen_colbert_will_destroy_sean_hannity/
 

Hereford76

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Oldtimer said:
kolanuraven said:
Just watched a live TV interview with Cliven Bundy .


Bless his heart..................... <<shaking head sadly>>


He is tarnishing the ' rancher' image.


While this incident is doing terrible harm to the image of cattlemen and ranchers thru out the country- and to the public land grazing issues image-- I think it is doing some substantial benefit to awakening the country to dangers of these radical right extremists and the Tea Party group(s) that over the last few years have opened their arms and taken these nutcase types in ...

Those Tea Party politicians that took Bundy (and his gun toting supporters) on as their folk hero's of the anti-government movement are now running from him (and his nutcase extremist handlers/guards) faster than a turpentined dog...

Wow. For the life of me I don't see how folks that make a way of life the same way can see things so differently. I have my own opinions on it.
 

Tam

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Oldtimer said:
kolanuraven said:
Just watched a live TV interview with Cliven Bundy .


Bless his heart..................... <<shaking head sadly>>


He is tarnishing the ' rancher' image.


While this incident is doing terrible harm to the image of cattlemen and ranchers thru out the country- and to the public land grazing issues image-- I think it is doing some substantial benefit to awakening the country to dangers of these radical right extremists and the Tea Party group(s) that over the last few years have opened their arms and taken these nutcase types in ...

Those Tea Party politicians that took Bundy (and his gun toting supporters) on as their folk hero's of the anti-government movement are now running from him (and his nutcase extremist handlers/guards) faster than a turpentined dog...

Oh come on Oldtimer you and your left buddies would have everyone believe the right are all ringwing extremists with most of the crap you have spewed over the years. Are there some extremists on the Right yes JUST LIKE THE LEFT HAS THEIR EXTREMISTS. Bashing the Tea Party every time you turn around for everything under the sun is doing your side of the argument no d*mn good as I think we all know we never saw the law defying acts in the Tea Party Rallies that we all witnessed in the OWS protests playing themselves out in every large city's public parks for weeks at a time. You and The left needs to get off the stupid train with painting everyone with the same brush unless you want the right to start calling you a drug using rapist murderer, because that was what was reportedly going on in the Left supported OWS protests. OR maybe those people that sold their leases to the big oil companies need to know you are a global warming believing tree hugging environmentalist that opposes the pipeline like so many of your liberal left loons believe. If you do not want to be painted with those brushes stop painting all Tea Party supporters with a ringwing extremist brush. :roll:


What this story has done has brought substantial benefit to awaking people to the fact the US has a very over reaching government and they need to get their State governments legal teams to use every possible way to get those land deeds into the hands of the States and private land owners and the BLM out of land management. AND they need to step on the head of the EPA and stop that rouge agency under this corrupt Administration before you have no water rights left. :mad:

Answer this Oldtimer what is more important a few smelt or the food grown on the farms of California that feeds millions?

IS the money being used to punish a guy for building a livestock pond on his private property with all state permits a good use of your tax funds?

Do the land owners in Texas deserve to lose their DEEDED land because a river moved?

I don't support Bundy due to his own actions but should ranchers lose their livelyhoods because the Leftwingnut environmentist feel they might hurt a species that they have been dealing with for hundreds of years?

You need to stop defending this asinine Liberal rouge government before they destroy everyone's right to have an original thought as they are regulating and mandating your lives away and if you can not see that I really feel sorry for the future generations of your family as they are going to be paying for your stupidity in defending this government. :roll:
 

Mike

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Tam wrote:
I don't support Bundy due to his own actions but should ranchers lose their livelyhoods because the Leftwingnut environmentist feel they might hurt a species that they have been dealing with for hundreds of years?

The Leftwingnut "environmentists" caused Bundy's problems.

Due to a "Desert Tortoise Protection Order".................. :wink:
 

Tam

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Mike said:
Tam wrote:
I don't support Bundy due to his own actions but should ranchers lose their livelyhoods because the Leftwingnut environmentist feel they might hurt a species that they have been dealing with for hundreds of years?

The Leftwingnut "environmentists" caused Bundy's problems.

Due to a "Desert Tortoise Protection Order".................. :wink:

I'm not going to go into my reasoning AGAIN other than to say the environmentists were not the ones that denied the existence of the legal landowners even after the courts ruled against him 4 times and they were not the ones that not only grazed their cattle on the historical land the family were once permitted to access but trespassed on tracts of land that were NEVER PERMITTED TO THEM for over a decade. That was all Bundy.
 

Mike

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Tam said:
Mike said:
Tam wrote:
I don't support Bundy due to his own actions but should ranchers lose their livelyhoods because the Leftwingnut environmentist feel they might hurt a species that they have been dealing with for hundreds of years?

The Leftwingnut "environmentists" caused Bundy's problems.

Due to a "Desert Tortoise Protection Order".................. :wink:

I'm not going to go into my reasoning AGAIN other than to say the environmentists were not the ones that denied the existence of the legal landowners even after the courts ruled against him 4 times and they were not the ones that not only grazed their cattle on the historical land the family were once permitted to access but trespassed on tracts of land that were NEVER PERMITTED TO THEM for over a decade. That was all Bundy.
For Rob Mrowka, an ecologist and senior scientist with Nevada’s Center for Biological Diversity, the agency that sued in federal court to remove Bundy from the federal land in order to protect the land and the tortoise, said he was disappointed to see the government give in to “an armed anarchist group,” instead of protecting the endangered tortoise and rare plants and allowing fire-damaged vegetation to regrow.
SAVING THE Desert tortoise

Desert tortoises have lived in the deserts of California, Arizona, Nevada and Utah since the Pleistocene. In the early years of the 20th century, they still thrived within the Southwest’s arid landscapes: As many as 1,000 tortoises per square mile once inhabited the Mojave. But by the end of the century, this population of the desert tortoise was listed as a threatened species under the Endangered Species Act. Livestock grazing and urban development, along with the ever-increasing use of off-road vehicles, continue to degrade the tortoise’s vanishing habitat, while Army translocation projects threaten to devastate the Mojave population.

Thanks to a lawsuit filed by the Center and Desert Survivors, in 2008 Fort Irwin officials suspended a disastrous desert tortoise translocation project that killed hundreds of the animals as part of “mitigation” for expanding the military base into tortoise habitat. The Army and Bureau of Land Management proposed a new translocation project in 2009 — but after tens of thousands of letters from Center supporters, the Bureau halted the project.

We’ve been working for the Mojave desert tortoise since 1997. Challenging the Bureau of Land Management’s grazing practices on arid public lands, we’ve helped protect millions of acres of fragile tortoise habitat. We’ve actively sought to limit off-road vehicle use throughout the desert tortoise’s range, including appealing the opening of two illegal off-road vehicle routes in Kern County, California. In 2000, we made significant gains for the desert tortoise when, as a result of our legal efforts, the Bureau permanently cancelled all livestock grazing on 276,125 acres of the Granite Mountains Grazing Allotment. In 2002, we and allies won another landmark settlement in which 1.9 million acres of the California Desert Conservation Area were protected against livestock grazing and 18,000 acres of tortoise habitat were closed to off-road vehicle access. More recently, we called on the U.S. inspector general to investigate the role of political meddling in the tortoise’s badly revised draft recovery plan and went to court to prevent a California mine expansion from affecting 178 acres of tortoise habitat.

www.biologicaldiversity.org
 
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Hereford76 said:
Oldtimer said:
kolanuraven said:
Just watched a live TV interview with Cliven Bundy .


Bless his heart..................... <<shaking head sadly>>


He is tarnishing the ' rancher' image.


While this incident is doing terrible harm to the image of cattlemen and ranchers thru out the country- and to the public land grazing issues image-- I think it is doing some substantial benefit to awakening the country to dangers of these radical right extremists and the Tea Party group(s) that over the last few years have opened their arms and taken these nutcase types in ...

Those Tea Party politicians that took Bundy (and his gun toting supporters) on as their folk hero's of the anti-government movement are now running from him (and his nutcase extremist handlers/guards) faster than a turpentined dog...

Wow. For the life of me I don't see how folks that make a way of life the same way can see things so differently. I have my own opinions on it.

You apparently haven't been reading all the articles talking about Bundy being the "Welfare Queen" of the "subsidized" ranchers... This is going to rip open the grazing allotment system as many folks back east are just learning of it- and many of those farmers back there that are aware already call it a "subsidy" (Go to some of the farming websites/blogs...)
Many of these ranch's couldn't/wouldn't exist or have any equity to their ranch's if it wasn't because of the lease allotments they have... Many count on those as their Arizona swimming pool, golf course retirement funds.... In many cases these public land lease allotments are what makes a 160 acre deeded ranch worth millions of $...

We have already seen the idea of selling all public lands in several recent plans to reduce the deficit... Was a big Tea Party (R) idea for awhile and was in the Simpson/Bowles report...

So now the awakening of millions more folks that are hearing this called a subsidy could easily stir some major changes- and if history stands the course they won't be good for the ranch community... I still don't believe agriculture producers/ranchers could outbid the international wildlife and green groups....

As far as the Tea Party folks- just look at Cruz, Hannity, Paul, etc., etc. running as fast as they can from this nutcase and trying to hide the fact they even knew him...
Armed insurrection and trying to provoke a shooting war while putting the women up front is not what the major majority of this country wants-- and those Tea Party boys got caught right in the mess backing it until those extremists showed their true colors...
Dangerous Rightwing Extremists- that I have been warning folks for several years now about- that have crawled in bed with the Tea Party to try and get legitimacy-- when their real goal is law breaking, anarchy, secession, civil war, white supremacy, etc., etc. ... And some of these Montana Tea Party/Patriot groups have been greatly influenced by those types...

It can't do the Tea Party candidates any good with the majority of common law abiding folks/the silent majority that don't buy into this type extremism- and don't want a civil war....

I know locally while many ranchers are not happy with the government, and especially their ties to the greeny weenies, and the bunny hunter groups-- the only ones that backslapped Bundy were some of the radicals- that are opposed to everything government or law enforcement (until they need help- then they cry the loudest.. :roll: ) ...
But the majority couldn't figure out why he hadn't been ran off long ago... "We pay our fee's- why can he get away with it" or "We have to work with the government- why can't he".... And no sympathy for someone that wraps themselves in a U.S. flag while making his living grazing his cattle on U.S. government supervised "public" lands-- but then says he doesn't believe in the U.S. government :roll: :(
 

Hereford76

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Oldtimer said:
Hereford76 said:
Oldtimer said:
While this incident is doing terrible harm to the image of cattlemen and ranchers thru out the country- and to the public land grazing issues image-- I think it is doing some substantial benefit to awakening the country to dangers of these radical right extremists and the Tea Party group(s) that over the last few years have opened their arms and taken these nutcase types in ...

Those Tea Party politicians that took Bundy (and his gun toting supporters) on as their folk hero's of the anti-government movement are now running from him (and his nutcase extremist handlers/guards) faster than a turpentined dog...

Wow. For the life of me I don't see how folks that make a way of life the same way can see things so differently. I have my own opinions on it.

You apparently haven't been reading all the articles talking about Bundy being the "Welfare Queen" of the "subsidized" ranchers... This is going to rip open the grazing allotment system as many folks back east are just learning of it- and many of those farmers back there that are aware already call it a "subsidy" (Go to some of the farming websites/blogs...)
Many of these ranch's couldn't/wouldn't exist or have any equity to their ranch's if it wasn't because of the lease allotments they have... Many count on those as their Arizona swimming pool, golf course retirement funds.... In many cases these public land lease allotments are what makes a 160 acre deeded ranch worth millions of $...

We have already seen the idea of selling all public lands in several recent plans to reduce the deficit... Was a big Tea Party (R) idea for awhile and was in the Simpson/Bowles report...

So now the awakening of millions more folks that are hearing this called a subsidy could easily stir some major changes- and if history stands the course they won't be good for the ranch community... I still don't believe agriculture producers/ranchers could outbid the international wildlife and green groups....

As far as the Tea Party folks- just look at Cruz, Hannity, Paul, etc., etc. running as fast as they can from this nutcase and trying to hide the fact they even knew him...
Armed insurrection and trying to provoke a shooting war while putting the women up front is not what the major majority of this country wants-- and those Tea Party boys got caught right in the mess backing it until those extremists showed their true colors...
Dangerous Rightwing Extremists- that I have been warning folks for several years now about- that have crawled in bed with the Tea Party to try and get legitimacy-- when their real goal is law breaking, anarchy, secession, civil war, white supremacy, etc., etc. ... And some of these Montana Tea Party/Patriot groups have been greatly influenced by those types...

It can't do the Tea Party candidates any good with the majority of common law abiding folks/the silent majority that don't buy into this type extremism- and don't want a civil war....

I know locally while many ranchers are not happy with the government, and especially their ties to the greeny weenies, and the bunny hunter groups-- the only ones that backslapped Bundy were some of the radicals- that are opposed to everything government or law enforcement (until they need help- then they cry the loudest.. :roll: ) ...
But the majority couldn't figure out why he hadn't been ran off long ago... "We pay our fee's- why can he get away with it" or "We have to work with the government- why can't he".... And no sympathy for someone that wraps themselves in a U.S. flag while making his living grazing his cattle on U.S. government supervised "public" lands-- but then says he doesn't believe in the U.S. government :roll: :(


You apparently haven't been reading all the articles talking about Bundy being the "Welfare Queen" of the "subsidized" ranchers...

I don't need to spend all day long surfing sites and blogs. I can come right here and learn what I want to about that side and how you and flounder portray ranchers as welfare queens and what not, how ranchers are destroying the landscape. I can read all the spin your side puts in it right here with every post you make. I tend to trust my gutt it usually aint to far off. Ya know the only thing surprising about this bundy story to me is that you weren't over there with your taser fighting for your cause.
 
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