Hereford76 said:Oldtimer said:Hereford76 said:Wow. For the life of me I don't see how folks that make a way of life the same way can see things so differently. I have my own opinions on it.
You apparently haven't been reading all the articles talking about Bundy being the "Welfare Queen" of the "subsidized" ranchers... This is going to rip open the grazing allotment system as many folks back east are just learning of it- and many of those farmers back there that are aware already call it a "subsidy" (Go to some of the farming websites/blogs...)
Many of these ranch's couldn't/wouldn't exist or have any equity to their ranch's if it wasn't because of the lease allotments they have... Many count on those as their Arizona swimming pool, golf course retirement funds.... In many cases these public land lease allotments are what makes a 160 acre deeded ranch worth millions of $...
We have already seen the idea of selling all public lands in several recent plans to reduce the deficit... Was a big Tea Party (R) idea for awhile and was in the Simpson/Bowles report...
So now the awakening of millions more folks that are hearing this called a subsidy could easily stir some major changes- and if history stands the course they won't be good for the ranch community... I still don't believe agriculture producers/ranchers could outbid the international wildlife and green groups....
As far as the Tea Party folks- just look at Cruz, Hannity, Paul, etc., etc. running as fast as they can from this nutcase and trying to hide the fact they even knew him...
Armed insurrection and trying to provoke a shooting war while putting the women up front is not what the major majority of this country wants-- and those Tea Party boys got caught right in the mess backing it until those extremists showed their true colors...
Dangerous Rightwing Extremists- that I have been warning folks for several years now about- that have crawled in bed with the Tea Party to try and get legitimacy-- when their real goal is law breaking, anarchy, secession, civil war, white supremacy, etc., etc. ... And some of these Montana Tea Party/Patriot groups have been greatly influenced by those types...
It can't do the Tea Party candidates any good with the majority of common law abiding folks/the silent majority that don't buy into this type extremism- and don't want a civil war....
I know locally while many ranchers are not happy with the government, and especially their ties to the greeny weenies, and the bunny hunter groups-- the only ones that backslapped Bundy were some of the radicals- that are opposed to everything government or law enforcement (until they need help- then they cry the loudest.. :roll: ) ...
But the majority couldn't figure out why he hadn't been ran off long ago... "We pay our fee's- why can he get away with it" or "We have to work with the government- why can't he".... And no sympathy for someone that wraps themselves in a U.S. flag while making his living grazing his cattle on U.S. government supervised "public" lands-- but then says he doesn't believe in the U.S. government :roll:![]()
You apparently haven't been reading all the articles talking about Bundy being the "Welfare Queen" of the "subsidized" ranchers...
I don't need to spend all day long surfing sites and blogs. I can come right here and learn what I want to about that side and how you and flounder portray ranchers as welfare queens and what not, how ranchers are destroying the landscape. I can read all the spin your side puts in it right here with every post you make. I tend to trust my gutt it usually aint to far off. Ya know the only thing surprising about this bundy story to me is that you weren't over there with your taser fighting for your cause.
Agreed Herf. Flounder & OT have collectively done more harm to ranchers than anyone else that I know of.
But you'd better be careful he doesn't call the FBI on you for being an anarchist. (More like disagreeing with his Socialism.) He claims to have called them (the authorities) on some here already. But then we know what a liar he is. :wink: