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Bundy interview

Mike

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Hereford76 said:
Oldtimer said:
Hereford76 said:
Wow. For the life of me I don't see how folks that make a way of life the same way can see things so differently. I have my own opinions on it.

You apparently haven't been reading all the articles talking about Bundy being the "Welfare Queen" of the "subsidized" ranchers... This is going to rip open the grazing allotment system as many folks back east are just learning of it- and many of those farmers back there that are aware already call it a "subsidy" (Go to some of the farming websites/blogs...)
Many of these ranch's couldn't/wouldn't exist or have any equity to their ranch's if it wasn't because of the lease allotments they have... Many count on those as their Arizona swimming pool, golf course retirement funds.... In many cases these public land lease allotments are what makes a 160 acre deeded ranch worth millions of $...

We have already seen the idea of selling all public lands in several recent plans to reduce the deficit... Was a big Tea Party (R) idea for awhile and was in the Simpson/Bowles report...

So now the awakening of millions more folks that are hearing this called a subsidy could easily stir some major changes- and if history stands the course they won't be good for the ranch community... I still don't believe agriculture producers/ranchers could outbid the international wildlife and green groups....

As far as the Tea Party folks- just look at Cruz, Hannity, Paul, etc., etc. running as fast as they can from this nutcase and trying to hide the fact they even knew him...
Armed insurrection and trying to provoke a shooting war while putting the women up front is not what the major majority of this country wants-- and those Tea Party boys got caught right in the mess backing it until those extremists showed their true colors...
Dangerous Rightwing Extremists- that I have been warning folks for several years now about- that have crawled in bed with the Tea Party to try and get legitimacy-- when their real goal is law breaking, anarchy, secession, civil war, white supremacy, etc., etc. ... And some of these Montana Tea Party/Patriot groups have been greatly influenced by those types...

It can't do the Tea Party candidates any good with the majority of common law abiding folks/the silent majority that don't buy into this type extremism- and don't want a civil war....

I know locally while many ranchers are not happy with the government, and especially their ties to the greeny weenies, and the bunny hunter groups-- the only ones that backslapped Bundy were some of the radicals- that are opposed to everything government or law enforcement (until they need help- then they cry the loudest.. :roll: ) ...
But the majority couldn't figure out why he hadn't been ran off long ago... "We pay our fee's- why can he get away with it" or "We have to work with the government- why can't he".... And no sympathy for someone that wraps themselves in a U.S. flag while making his living grazing his cattle on U.S. government supervised "public" lands-- but then says he doesn't believe in the U.S. government :roll: :(


You apparently haven't been reading all the articles talking about Bundy being the "Welfare Queen" of the "subsidized" ranchers...

I don't need to spend all day long surfing sites and blogs. I can come right here and learn what I want to about that side and how you and flounder portray ranchers as welfare queens and what not, how ranchers are destroying the landscape. I can read all the spin your side puts in it right here with every post you make. I tend to trust my gutt it usually aint to far off. Ya know the only thing surprising about this bundy story to me is that you weren't over there with your taser fighting for your cause.

Agreed Herf. Flounder & OT have collectively done more harm to ranchers than anyone else that I know of.

But you'd better be careful he doesn't call the FBI on you for being an anarchist. (More like disagreeing with his Socialism.) He claims to have called them (the authorities) on some here already. But then we know what a liar he is. :wink:
 

Tam

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Oldtimer said:
It can't do the Tea Party candidates any good with the majority of common law abiding folks/the silent majority that don't buy into this type extremism- and don't want a civil war....



Tell us Oldtimer should all the Dem candidates be accused of this because they supported the OWS protest where it happened?


Alleged sexual assaults at Occupy Wall Street camps have raised concerns about security in a handful of cities, including reports of rape and groping in tents at New York's Zuccotti Park and a sex offender in Dallas having sex with an underage runaway.

"These protests have a history of welcoming everyone and just assuming they're on your side," said David Meyer, a professor of sociology at the University of California at Irvine, who studies protest movements.

The recent reports of assaults have created a problem the "Occupy" movement is being challenged to address head-on.

"We always encourage victims to go through the proper channels and contact police," said Brendan Burke, 41, who helps run the security team in Zuccotti Park.

But that's not always the case. Burke admitted there have been times when members of the community have taken it upon themselves to chase off men who exposed themselves in the park.

"If there is a consensus that someone is bothering another person, the community will take care of it," he said. "Still, we always notify victims to contact police."

New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg -- addressing the allegations of sexual assault today -- said the reported practice of chasing perpetrators, rather than reporting them to police, is "despicable." If the reports are true, he said, the protesters have made the city less safe

Should all Dem Candidates be accused of this because that was going on in the Dem Supported OWS protests?

AGAIN the left have their loons too but those defending their right to protest against this governments corruption are not being held to the same standards you continually set for the Tea Party, ARE THEY? :x
 
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Tam said:
Oldtimer said:
It can't do the Tea Party candidates any good with the majority of common law abiding folks/the silent majority that don't buy into this type extremism- and don't want a civil war....



Tell us Oldtimer should all the Dem candidates be accused of this because they supported the OWS protest where it happened?


Alleged sexual assaults at Occupy Wall Street camps have raised concerns about security in a handful of cities, including reports of rape and groping in tents at New York's Zuccotti Park and a sex offender in Dallas having sex with an underage runaway.

"These protests have a history of welcoming everyone and just assuming they're on your side," said David Meyer, a professor of sociology at the University of California at Irvine, who studies protest movements.

The recent reports of assaults have created a problem the "Occupy" movement is being challenged to address head-on.

"We always encourage victims to go through the proper channels and contact police," said Brendan Burke, 41, who helps run the security team in Zuccotti Park.

But that's not always the case. Burke admitted there have been times when members of the community have taken it upon themselves to chase off men who exposed themselves in the park.

"If there is a consensus that someone is bothering another person, the community will take care of it," he said. "Still, we always notify victims to contact police."

New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg -- addressing the allegations of sexual assault today -- said the reported practice of chasing perpetrators, rather than reporting them to police, is "despicable." If the reports are true, he said, the protesters have made the city less safe

Should all Dem Candidates be accused of this because that was going on in the Dem Supported OWS protests?

AGAIN the left have their loons too but those defending their right to protest against this governments corruption are not being held to the same standards you continually set for the Tea Party, ARE THEY? :x

If they were going on TV trying to make folklore heros out of them like Hannity did- or some of the Tea Party crew... Then they should wallow in the stench of that bunch of loons too...
Like I've said 100+ times over- EXTREMISM FROM EITHER SIDE IS DANGEROUS...
The only thing I supported of the OWS protests was their 1st Amendment right to do so...

I don't think the major majority of this country support the Extremists of either side... Having worked with the public for over 40 years I'm convinced there is a silent majority out there that want nothing to do with the loons from either side-- and that is why I believe that the Marlboro Man/Tom Selleck image of the western rancher and the Tea Party's has been badly sullied by their crawling in bed with this guy who surrounded himself with guntoting extremist skinheads/white supremacists, radical militias and so called patriot groups that illegally interfered with the serving of a Federal District Court Order...

Can you imagine John Wayne saying "put the women up front in case the shooting starts?" :(
 

Tam

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Oldtimer said:
Like I've said 100+ times over- EXTREMISM FROM EITHER SIDE IS DANGEROUS...
The only thing I supported of the OWS protests was their 1st Amendment right to do so...

I don't think the major majority of this country support the Extremists of either side... Having worked with the public for over 40 years I'm convinced there is a silent majority out there that want nothing to do with the loons from either side-- and that is why I believe that the Marlboro Man/Tom Selleck image of the western rancher and the Tea Party's has been badly sullied by their crawling in bed with this guy who surrounded himself with guntoting extremist skinheads/white supremacists, radical militias and so called patriot groups that illegally interfered with the serving of a Federal District Court Order...
Can you imagine John Wayne saying "put the women up front in case the shooting starts?" :(

There you go again claiming all Tea Party people have crawled into bed with this guy and support his actions and that is a friggin lie and you know it. :roll:

Several Republicans have avoided talking about Bundy, as have major political groups. As Politico noted last week, even the Tea Party Patriots didn't comment on the situation. But a few conservatives couldn't resist the opportunity of throwing their lot in with a budding anti-government movement to further their own political careers. Here's what they said when Bundy was just a renegade cowboy, and what they're saying now.

The Tea Party groups no more crawled into bed with this guy as you did with the OWS guy crapping on the cop car. :roll:

Some voiced an opinion

U.S. Sen. Rand Paul

What he said then: Like Abbott, Paul focused more on the policy issue. "There is a legitimate constitutional question here about whether the state should be in charge of endangered species or whether the federal government should be," Paul told Fox News earlier this week. "But I don't think name calling is going to calm this down," he added, referring to Reid's "domestic terrorists" remark.

What he's saying now: Nothing. Paul's team said he was unavailable for comment. (Update 9:55 am: “His remarks on race are offensive and I wholeheartedly disagree with him,” Paul said in a statement.)

U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz

What he said then: On Tuesday, Ted Cruz called the Bundy standoff the "the unfortunate and tragic culmination of the path that President Obama has set the federal government on.” He added that the reason he believed the story was "resonating" was that the Obama administration has put American liberty "under assault...we have seen our constitutional liberties eroded under the Obama administration."

What he's saying now: In an email to Mediaite, Cruz's Press Secretary Catherine Frazier said of Bundy's remarks, "Those comments are completely unacceptable.”

Now please point out where either of these Tea Party supported guys came out and said they supported Bundy.?
 
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Tam said:
Oldtimer said:
Like I've said 100+ times over- EXTREMISM FROM EITHER SIDE IS DANGEROUS...
The only thing I supported of the OWS protests was their 1st Amendment right to do so...

I don't think the major majority of this country support the Extremists of either side... Having worked with the public for over 40 years I'm convinced there is a silent majority out there that want nothing to do with the loons from either side-- and that is why I believe that the Marlboro Man/Tom Selleck image of the western rancher and the Tea Party's has been badly sullied by their crawling in bed with this guy who surrounded himself with guntoting extremist skinheads/white supremacists, radical militias and so called patriot groups that illegally interfered with the serving of a Federal District Court Order...
Can you imagine John Wayne saying "put the women up front in case the shooting starts?" :(

There you go again claiming all Tea Party people have crawled into bed with this guy and support his actions and that is a friggin lie and you know it. :roll:

Several Republicans have avoided talking about Bundy, as have major political groups. As Politico noted last week, even the Tea Party Patriots didn't comment on the situation. But a few conservatives couldn't resist the opportunity of throwing their lot in with a budding anti-government movement to further their own political careers. Here's what they said when Bundy was just a renegade cowboy, and what they're saying now.

The Tea Party groups no more crawled into bed with this guy as you did with the OWS guy crapping on the cop car. :roll:

Some voiced an opinion

U.S. Sen. Rand Paul

What he said then: Like Abbott, Paul focused more on the policy issue. "There is a legitimate constitutional question here about whether the state should be in charge of endangered species or whether the federal government should be," Paul told Fox News earlier this week. "But I don't think name calling is going to calm this down," he added, referring to Reid's "domestic terrorists" remark.

What he's saying now: Nothing. Paul's team said he was unavailable for comment. (Update 9:55 am: “His remarks on race are offensive and I wholeheartedly disagree with him,” Paul said in a statement.)

U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz

What he said then: On Tuesday, Ted Cruz called the Bundy standoff the "the unfortunate and tragic culmination of the path that President Obama has set the federal government on.” He added that the reason he believed the story was "resonating" was that the Obama administration has put American liberty "under assault...we have seen our constitutional liberties eroded under the Obama administration."

What he's saying now: In an email to Mediaite, Cruz's Press Secretary Catherine Frazier said of Bundy's remarks, "Those comments are completely unacceptable.”

Now please point out where either of these Tea Party supported guys came out and said they supported Bundy.?

There has already been several videos posted on here of Hannity trying to make this guy into the Tea Party's hero of the year.... And by doing so he did a good job of kicking the Tea Party right in the groin...


I've never said that every Tea Party follower was bad-- BUT I've seen enough extremists in their leadership to know that I don't want to be affiliated with them... Many of those being welcomed into the Tea Party/Patriot groups are the same dangerous right wing extremists/groups I had dealings with over the past 30 years ( 60's and 70's were the time of the left wing extremist groups- since then the rightwingers have taken the lead for violence from domestic extremist groups)... A skunk by any other name still smells like a skunk.....

The study is part of a growing body of evidence documenting the surge in Independent identification. Two polling organizations recently reported that in 2013, a year after the APPC survey, more than 40 percent of respondents identified themselves as Independent, more than either Republicans or Democrats. Gallup queried U.S. adults, while the McClatchy-Marist poll questioned registered voters.

Its my belief in politics anymore the main core of voters are Independent- with an almost equal amount that identify with an (R) or a (D)... And of those about 30% each of the (R's) and (D's) the extremist following is much smaller... And these Independents are the folks that the Republican Party needs to win a national election. Which are now looking at Hannity and some of the Tea Party politicians and questioning their sanity and the Tea Party as a whole for sidling up to such an extremist nutcase....

To me this incident with Bundy just exposes the Tea Party for what I've been saying for sometime- they are too quick to shoot from the hip- and care more for their individual issues than they do the country as a whole, or they wouldn't be backing illegal insurrection activities, sedition, and putting women in the front lines to stop bullets... I want my political representation to promote respecting and following the laws and constitution-- not backing folks running around waving guns that want to tear both down and put the country into anarchy...
 

Hereford76

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
Tam said:
Oldtimer said:
It can't do the Tea Party candidates any good with the majority of common law abiding folks/the silent majority that don't buy into this type extremism- and don't want a civil war....



Tell us Oldtimer should all the Dem candidates be accused of this because they supported the OWS protest where it happened?


Alleged sexual assaults at Occupy Wall Street camps have raised concerns about security in a handful of cities, including reports of rape and groping in tents at New York's Zuccotti Park and a sex offender in Dallas having sex with an underage runaway.

"These protests have a history of welcoming everyone and just assuming they're on your side," said David Meyer, a professor of sociology at the University of California at Irvine, who studies protest movements.

The recent reports of assaults have created a problem the "Occupy" movement is being challenged to address head-on.

"We always encourage victims to go through the proper channels and contact police," said Brendan Burke, 41, who helps run the security team in Zuccotti Park.

But that's not always the case. Burke admitted there have been times when members of the community have taken it upon themselves to chase off men who exposed themselves in the park.

"If there is a consensus that someone is bothering another person, the community will take care of it," he said. "Still, we always notify victims to contact police."

New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg -- addressing the allegations of sexual assault today -- said the reported practice of chasing perpetrators, rather than reporting them to police, is "despicable." If the reports are true, he said, the protesters have made the city less safe

Should all Dem Candidates be accused of this because that was going on in the Dem Supported OWS protests?

AGAIN the left have their loons too but those defending their right to protest against this governments corruption are not being held to the same standards you continually set for the Tea Party, ARE THEY? :x

If they were going on TV trying to make folklore heros out of them like Hannity did- or some of the Tea Party crew... Then they should wallow in the stench of that bunch of loons too...
Like I've said 100+ times over- EXTREMISM FROM EITHER SIDE IS DANGEROUS...
The only thing I supported of the OWS protests was their 1st Amendment right to do so...

I don't think the major majority of this country support the Extremists of either side... Having worked with the public for over 40 years I'm convinced there is a silent majority out there that want nothing to do with the loons from either side-- and that is why I believe that the Marlboro Man/Tom Selleck image of the western rancher and the Tea Party's has been badly sullied by their crawling in bed with this guy who surrounded himself with guntoting extremist skinheads/white supremacists, radical militias and so called patriot groups that illegally interfered with the serving of a Federal District Court Order...

Can you imagine John Wayne saying "put the women up front in case the shooting starts?" :(

He'd probably called whoever said it a yella bellied sob. But maybe he woulda told old bundy.... Don't pick a fight but if you find yourself in one make dang sure you win. :D
 

mrj

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Many of us have agreed previously, re. the Bundy mess, that there is more than appears on the surface.

Anyone reading the comments to the article in the first post on this thread has to be shocked by the vicious, almost universally inaccurate statements about that situation, at least I sure was.

Then I checked the Biological Diversity site listed in an earlier post. Has anyone else done that? Again, I was shocked by the false statements re. how much beef production affects the environment. Totally off the wall!Claims re. how much beef production has increased, yet no acknowledgement that it has been done with much fewer cows, therefore a SMALLER environmental 'footprint'. No amounts were stated with claims of larger consumption. Guess the writer missed the laments of some groups claiming failure of the Beef Checkoff because of LESS per capita beef consumption!

My point: this fuss over Bundy, which should be over the escalating heavy hand of the BLM and other government agencies, is certainly our only worry, and may not even be the toughest one. Though, that group seems to be acting almost in partnership with outfits like EPA and other agencies to make business more difficult for food producers.

mrj
 

Tam

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
I've never said that every Tea Party follower was bad-- ...

Bull you have never clarified your comments about the TEABAGGERS. You mean and have always meant the Tea Party movement as a whole so stop lying to everyone.

ANd when are you going to get it through your thick head not all Tea Party folks supported Bundy. MOST avoided to make statements either way so how in the H*LL do you get that as they supported him? :roll:

Rand Paul commented on the POLICIES and Ted Cruz understood how it was resonating within the country given the Government over reach we all have been witnessing and with that I even agree but I sure don't agree with using the Bundy case to push the fight against the Government because his own actions were going to be used against the true issue of government over reach unlike the Texas cases that have Texas Government support.

As for Hannity he has jumped on a lot of government over reach cases and because of his media attention some of those cases were won by the people. In this case I wish he would have don't a bit more investigative work before jumping on the band wagon but he didn't and he got burned that is no reason to paint all Conservative with the same brush as we all did not support the case and in doing so you are hurting every other rancher rightfully fighting Government over reach in a legal way. :roll:
 

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