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Bush and HIS carbon footprint

kolanuraven

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Awhile back many of you were having a hissy cause Al Gore left the light on his bathroom a bit too long.


What about all the fuel being used and pollution created with the Pres. flying about NOT ON OFFICIAL PRESIDENTIAL BIZ, but on these trips to raise money for McCain?

And for a man that won't even been seen with him in a photo in daylight??



Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?????????????????
 

aplusmnt

Well-known member
kolanuraven said:
Awhile back many of you were having a hissy cause Al Gore left the light on his bathroom a bit too long.


What about all the fuel being used and pollution created with the Pres. flying about NOT ON OFFICIAL PRESIDENTIAL BIZ, but on these trips to raise money for McCain?

And for a man that won't even been seen with him in a photo in daylight??



Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?????????????????

Problem with Al Gore is he preaches this Global Warming like a Religion. And he has a larger carbon foot print than 100 average Americans.

Its about the Hypocrisy not about the foot print. I do not care who flies where and in what as long as they do not preach to the average American to ride a bike to work while they fly private jets, as long as they do not tell me to turn my thermostat up when they own multiple mansions that use more energy in a month than I do in a year.

Hypocrisy!
 

hopalong

Well-known member
aplusmnt said:
kolanuraven said:
Awhile back many of you were having a hissy cause Al Gore left the light on his bathroom a bit too long.


What about all the fuel being used and pollution created with the Pres. flying about NOT ON OFFICIAL PRESIDENTIAL BIZ, but on these trips to raise money for McCain?

And for a man that won't even been seen with him in a photo in daylight??



Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?????????????????

Problem with Al Gore is he preaches this Global Warming like a Religion. And he has a larger carbon foot print than 100 average Americans.

Its about the Hypocrisy not about the foot print. I do not care who flies where and in what as long as they do not preach to the average American to ride a bike to work while they fly private jets, as long as they do not tell me to turn my thermostat up when they own multiple mansions that use more energy in a month than I do in a year.

Hypocrisy!

Driving a 300c hemi with all the bells and whistles
Flying a private jet that uses more fuel per passenger mile than a commercial jet?
Having a house with 6 bathrooms?
Then whining about carbon foot prints of what some one else is doing?
yep
hypocrisy at its finest!!!
 

hopalong

Well-known member
During Bush's three-day trip, he is also holding official presidential events at a Mesa, Ariz., cable company on Tuesday and at the U.S. Air Force Academy commencement on Wednesday. Under the complicated formula by which the cost of presidential travel is allocated when he is doing party events, the presence of official events on his schedule dramatically reduces the cost to McCain's campaign for Bush's campaign appearances.
 

nonothing

Well-known member
hopalong said:
aplusmnt said:
kolanuraven said:
Awhile back many of you were having a hissy cause Al Gore left the light on his bathroom a bit too long.


What about all the fuel being used and pollution created with the Pres. flying about NOT ON OFFICIAL PRESIDENTIAL BIZ, but on these trips to raise money for McCain?

And for a man that won't even been seen with him in a photo in daylight??



Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?????????????????

Problem with Al Gore is he preaches this Global Warming like a Religion. And he has a larger carbon foot print than 100 average Americans.

Its about the Hypocrisy not about the foot print. I do not care who flies where and in what as long as they do not preach to the average American to ride a bike to work while they fly private jets, as long as they do not tell me to turn my thermostat up when they own multiple mansions that use more energy in a month than I do in a year.

Hypocrisy!

Driving a 300c hemi with all the bells and whistles
Flying a private jet that uses more fuel per passenger mile than a commercial jet?
Having a house with 6 bathrooms?
Then whining about carbon foot prints of what some one else is doing?
yep
hypocrisy at its finest!!!


Kola this guy remind you of anybody?....speaking of foot prints this posting has memanpa stalker prints all over it.....He is back following your postings again...its creepy..... :mad:
 

aplusmnt

Well-known member
nonothing said:
hopalong said:
aplusmnt said:
Problem with Al Gore is he preaches this Global Warming like a Religion. And he has a larger carbon foot print than 100 average Americans.

Its about the Hypocrisy not about the foot print. I do not care who flies where and in what as long as they do not preach to the average American to ride a bike to work while they fly private jets, as long as they do not tell me to turn my thermostat up when they own multiple mansions that use more energy in a month than I do in a year.

Hypocrisy!

Driving a 300c hemi with all the bells and whistles
Flying a private jet that uses more fuel per passenger mile than a commercial jet?
Having a house with 6 bathrooms?
Then whining about carbon foot prints of what some one else is doing?
yep
hypocrisy at its finest!!!


Kola this guy remind you of anybody?....speaking of foot prints this posting has memanpa stalker prints all over it.....He is back following your postings again...its creepy..... :mad:

Thought you guys already established that hopolong was memanpa? The subject seems played out :?
 

PrairieQueen

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A Tale of Two Houses



House #1 A 20 room mansion (not including 8 bathrooms) heated by natural gas. Add on a pool (and a pool house) and a separate guest house, all heated by gas. In one month this residence consumes more energy than ! the ave rage American household does in a year. The average bill for electricity and natural gas runs over $2400. In natural gas alone, this property consumes more than 20 times the national average for an American home. This house is not situated in a Northern or Midwestern "snow belt" area. It's in the South.





House #2 Designed by an architecture professor at a leading national university. This house incorporates every "green" feature current home construction can provide. The house is 4,000 square feet (4 bedrooms) and is nestled on a high prairie in the American southwest. A central closet in the house holds ; geothermal heat-pumps drawing ground water through pipes sunk 300 feet into the ground. The water (usually 67 degrees F.) heats the house in the winter and cools it in the summer! The system uses no fossil fuels such as oil or natural gas and it consumes one-quarter electricity required for a conventional heating/cooling system. Rainwater from the roof is collected and funneled into a 25,000 gallon underground cistern. Wastewater from showers, sinks and toilets goes into underground purifying tanks and then into the cistern. The collected water then irrigates the land surrounding the house. Surrounding flowers and shrubs native to the area enable the property to blend into the surrounding rural landscape.

~~~~~
HOUSE #1 is outside of Nashville , Tennessee ; it is the abode of the "environmentalist" Al Gore;

HOUSE #2 is on a ranch near Crawford, Texas ; it is the residence the of the President of the United States , George W. Bush.

An "inconvenient truth".



Only your dispassionate Canadian correspondent could write this without colour or favour, but is it possible that George Bush is a secret Green? Evidently his Crawford Winter White House has 25,000 gallons of rainwater storage, gray water collection from sinks and showers for irrigation, passive solar, geothermal heating and cooling. “By marketplace standards, the house is startlingly small,” says David Heymann, the architect of the 4,000-square-foot home. “Clients of similar ilk are building 16-to-20,000-square-foot houses.” Furthermore for thermal mass the walls are clad in "discards of a local stone called Leuders limestone, which is quarried in the area. The 12-to-18-inch-thick stone has a mix of colors on the top and bottom, with a cream- colored center that most people want. “They cut the top and bottom of it off because nobody really wants it,” Heymann says. “So we bought all this throwaway stone. It’s fabulous. It’s got great color and it is relatively inexpensive.” Hmm, back to that vote about the Greenest President? ::eek:ff Grid via ::EcoRazzi

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/02/is_george_bush.php



The first one I don't have a link to so I posted the second one also. :)
 

fff

Well-known member
PrairieQueen said:
A Tale of Two Houses

House #1 A 20 room mansion (not including 8 bathrooms) heated by natural gas. Add on a pool (and a pool house) and a separate guest house, all heated by gas. In one month this residence consumes more energy than ! the ave rage American household does in a year. The average bill for electricity and natural gas runs over $2400. In natural gas alone, this property consumes more than 20 times the national average for an American home. This house is not situated in a Northern or Midwestern "snow belt" area. It's in the South.


House #2 Designed by an architecture professor at a leading national university. This house incorporates every "green" feature current home construction can provide. The house is 4,000 square feet (4 bedrooms) and is nestled on a high prairie in the American southwest. A central closet in the house holds ; geothermal heat-pumps drawing ground water through pipes sunk 300 feet into the ground. The water (usually 67 degrees F.) heats the house in the winter and cools it in the summer! The system uses no fossil fuels such as oil or natural gas and it consumes one-quarter electricity required for a conventional heating/cooling system. Rainwater from the roof is collected and funneled into a 25,000 gallon underground cistern. Wastewater from showers, sinks and toilets goes into underground purifying tanks and then into the cistern. The collected water then irrigates the land surrounding the house. Surrounding flowers and shrubs native to the area enable the property to blend into the surrounding rural landscape.

~~~~~
HOUSE #1 is outside of Nashville , Tennessee ; it is the abode of the "environmentalist" Al Gore;

HOUSE #2 is on a ranch near Crawford, Texas ; it is the residence the of the President of the United States , George W. Bush.

An "inconvenient truth".

Only your dispassionate Canadian correspondent could write this without colour or favour, but is it possible that George Bush is a secret Green? Evidently his Crawford Winter White House has 25,000 gallons of rainwater storage, gray water collection from sinks and showers for irrigation, passive solar, geothermal heating and cooling. “By marketplace standards, the house is startlingly small,” says David Heymann, the architect of the 4,000-square-foot home. “Clients of similar ilk are building 16-to-20,000-square-foot houses.” Furthermore for thermal mass the walls are clad in "discards of a local stone called Leuders limestone, which is quarried in the area. The 12-to-18-inch-thick stone has a mix of colors on the top and bottom, with a cream- colored center that most people want. “They cut the top and bottom of it off because nobody really wants it,” Heymann says. “So we bought all this throwaway stone. It’s fabulous. It’s got great color and it is relatively inexpensive.” Hmm, back to that vote about the Greenest President? ::eek:ff Grid via ::EcoRazzi

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/02/is_george_bush.php


The first one I don't have a link to so I posted the second one also. :)

I don't know when your articles were written, but they are misleading, not that that would bother a Bush supporter.

Gore's house was built over 80 years ago. They tried for years to get the zoning laws changed so they could put solar heating panels on the house and only recently were able to do that. Their electrical usage is not out of line with "average" usage in their part of the country for a house that size.

And you're dreaming if you think George and Laura Bush will live in that little place in Crawford. They'll move into a huge place in a gated community in Dallas. She's not a ranch person.

Al Gore, who was criticized for high electric bills at his Tennessee mansion, has completed a host of improvements to make the home more energy efficient, and a building-industry group has praised the house as one of the nation's most environmentally friendly.

Al Gore recently won the Nobel Peace Prize for his work on global climate change.

The former vice president has installed solar panels, a rainwater-collection system and geothermal heating. He also replaced all incandescent lights with compact fluorescent or light-emitting diode bulbs -- even on his Christmas tree.

"Short of tearing it down and staring anew, I don't know how it could have been rated any higher," said Kim Shinn of the U.S. Green Building Council, which gave the house its second-highest rating for sustainable design.

Gore's improvements cut the home's summer electrical consumption by 11 percent compared with a year ago, according to utility records reviewed by The Associated Press. Most Nashville homes used 20 percent to 30 percent more electricity during the same period because of a record heat wave.

Shinn said Gore's renovations are impressive because his home, which is more than 80 years old, had to meet the same rigorous standards as new construction. How to turn your home green »

"One of the things that is tremendously powerful about what the Gores have done is demonstrate that you can take a home that was a dog, an absolute energy pig, and do things to correct that," Shinn said.

Gore bought the mansion in the Nashville suburb of Belle Meade in 2002 for $2.3 million. It houses his offices and those of his wife, Tipper, as well as a commercial kitchen for formal events.

Gore spokeswoman Kalee Kreider declined to say how much the couple spent on the improvements.

"The Gores decided to take a series of steps over time that might be logistically or financially out of reach for many Americans," she said. "But they were fortunate enough to have the ability to do so.

"But everyone can get started, whether it's changing light bulbs or purchasing green power."

In February, a conservative think tank criticized Gore for using an average of 16,000 kilowatt hours a month for an average monthly bill of $1,206 in 2006. The typical Nashville home uses about 1,300 kilowatt hours a month.

Gore has said the criticism was unfair because the 10,000-square-foot mansion was undergoing extensive remodeling. He said this week that "global warming denier" groups were trying to discredit him because they don't like the attention he has given to climate change.

"You're going to have people try to attack the messenger in order to get at the message. They have not been able to succeed," Gore told CNN from Norway, where he picked up the Nobel Peace Prize for his environmental work.

"The only way to solve this crisis is for individuals to make changes in their own lives," he said.

The Green Building Council's certification program has four levels, with platinum being the highest followed by gold. Gore's home was one of 14 to earn gold status and the only Tennessee home to earn any certification.

Electricity usage at the home remains well above regional averages, but Gore's power consumption decreased by 6,890 kilowatt hours, or 11 percent, between June and August, despite the heat wave.

Gore's electric use increased again after he had to take his solar panels off-line in August so his new geothermal system could be integrated into the system. But his natural gas use has dropped 93 percent in the three months since the geothermal pump was activated.

When the Gores' heated pool is hooked up to the system later this month, their energy use is expected to decline more, his spokeswoman said.

Gore has also said he invests in renewable energy such as solar and wind power to balance 100 percent of his electricity usage.

Stephen Smith, executive director of the Southern Alliance for Clean Energy, said the size of Gore's house limits how much he can cut his energy consumption.

"We all need to evaluate what we legitimately need in square footage," he said.

Still, another owner of the same house likely would not have been as dedicated as Gore to reducing energy consumption, said Smith, who also serves on the advisory committee for Gore's Alliance for Climate Protection.

"I promise you the energy use would be as high, if not higher," he said.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/13/gore.home.ap/index.html
 
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Anonymous

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When JFK was President- he and Repub candidate Barry Goldwater had reached an agreement that they would run only on the issues- and that they would fly together, along with their entourages, in Air Force 1 to something like only 10 town hall/debuts throughout the country to save the taxpayers money-- which fell all apart after the assassination and
Big Party Boss LBJ became the candidate.....

Now these guys piss more up a rope of taxpayer funds than those folks ever seen-- and we all stand by and applaud our cultist icon and argue over "my daddy's tougher than your daddy".......
Time to grab them all by the shorthairs and jerk them up tight.....
 

Steve

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fff
Their electrical usage is not out of line with "average" usage in their part of the country for a house that size.

The average bill for electricity and natural gas runs over $2400. In natural gas alone, this property consumes more than 20 times the national average for an American home.

any one not blinded by liberal bias can see that gore and his house are a burden on the planet...
 

Steve

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Gore's improvements cut the home's summer electrical consumption by 11 percent,... Gore for using an average of 16,000 kilowatt hours a month

cutting 11%... off a 16,000 kilowatt hour monthly bill... gee he saved enough to power an average home.. how big of him.... :roll: :roll: :roll: :wink:

no matter how it is sliced... gore's home is taking on a bigger carbon footprint even now after massive investment and cost cutting measues... even at 14,000 kilowatts he is still using more electricity then ten homes...
 

Steve

Well-known member
fff
And you're dreaming if you think George and Laura Bush will live in that little place in Crawford.

so Bush should be slammed for what he might do in a few years, yet Gore should get a pass because he cut a massive energy bill by a little tiny bit... :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :wink:

face the fact,... Gore is an abusive consumer of massive energy usage.. and a hypocrite...

when you look up the defination... it has Gore's picture...

GoreHothead.jpg

Hypocrisy (or the state of being a hypocrite) is the act of preaching a certain belief or way of life, but not, in fact, holding these same virtues oneself.
 

aplusmnt

Well-known member
fff said:
Gore's house was built over 80 years ago. They tried for years to get the zoning laws changed so they could put solar heating panels on the house and only recently were able to do that. Their electrical usage is not out of line with "average" usage in their part of the country for a house that size.

What about the two other homes Gore owns, or just the fact that he has three homes that he has to travel back and forth between to decide which one he wants to stay in. Do you think that the other two homes have the electric turned off when not in use and have no carbon foot print.

You would think a man that preaches for us to have less children, ride bikes to work and turn thermostats up in summer and down in winter that he would think about owning a few less homes and maybe a few smaller ones.

fff.........you are really going to defend this man and his carbon foot print while he tells you to rid a bike to work and to have less grandchildren in the future?..........you are standing in front of everyone on this site and showing how bias you are. And how you bleed Liberal blue! I just hope you drink your Kool-Aid hot and do not use electricity to produce ice cubes, your hero Gore might not approve even though he spends his time floating around in a heated swimming pool :roll:
 

hopalong

Well-known member
nonothing said:
hopalong said:
aplusmnt said:
Problem with Al Gore is he preaches this Global Warming like a Religion. And he has a larger carbon foot print than 100 average Americans.

Its about the Hypocrisy not about the foot print. I do not care who flies where and in what as long as they do not preach to the average American to ride a bike to work while they fly private jets, as long as they do not tell me to turn my thermostat up when they own multiple mansions that use more energy in a month than I do in a year.

Hypocrisy!

Driving a 300c hemi with all the bells and whistles
Flying a private jet that uses more fuel per passenger mile than a commercial jet?
Having a house with 6 bathrooms?
Then whining about carbon foot prints of what some one else is doing?
yep
hypocrisy at its finest!!!


Kola this guy remind you of anybody?....speaking of foot prints this posting has memanpa stalker prints all over it.....He is back following your postings again...its creepy..... :mad:

Good God man are you so ignorant that you cannot see/realize that no one needs to stalk Kolouraven, these are all statements made by her in a public forum that anyone could see.
So in your infiniteve wisdom please offer up PROOF that I am stalking her and her hypocritical views/opinions!
You claim that by bringing them up is stalking, Then by using that standard every post that you, fff, Koluraven, Oldtimer, and anyone else that cuts and pastes or provides links regarding any other person that is public information is a STALKER!
Talk about being hypocritcal you fit the mold to a "T"
 

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