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Bush & Farm Subsidies

hypocritexposer

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If you cared to do any sort of fact finding instead of attempting to demonize ALL Tea Party members, you would find that you are talking about a bill put forth by Rep. Jason Chaffetz, which outlined selling off land that was identified for disposal in 1997, by the Dept. of the Interior.


McCain and Mike Lee are also thinking of putting forth such a bill.

According to a 1997 Interior Department report, there are 3.3 million acres of land available to be sold to to non-federal entities. Chaffetz bill, HR 1126, the Disposal of Excess Federal Lands Act, would allow for the sale of this land, which amounts to less than 1 percent of all federal land.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/03/17/congressional-republicans-push-to-sell-federal-land/#ixzz1TWyEJAwk



Is 1% what you consider "ALL?





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http://chaffetz.house.gov/Land%20Disposal%20Report.pdf



“It’s been more than a decade since the land was deemed suitable for disposal and there is no critical need for the federal government to hold on to it,” said Lee. “The sale of the land alone could generate more than a $1 billion, and then there is the economic benefit of putting the land to good use. That could mean jobs, future growth, and better prosperity for the surrounding areas. It’s good for the state of Utah and I am happy to work with Representative Chaffetz in supporting the move.”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/03/17/congressional-republicans-push-to-sell-federal-land/#ixzz1TX0jP2ay
 

Tex

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Congress overrode President Bush's second veto of a $300 billion farm bill.

Congress passed a $300 billion farm bill over President Bush's veto for a second time Wednesday, a step made necessary by a clerical error when the original bill passed.

The Senate voted 80-14 to approve the measure over Bush's objections, following a 317-109 vote in the House of Representatives. Both votes were well above the two-thirds majority needed to override the veto, which Bush delivered Wednesday morning.

Congress overrode an earlier veto of the farm bill last month, even though lawmakers had discovered that 34 pages were missing in the version originally sent to the White House. In spiking the latest version, Bush said he objected to its continued subsidies for the wealthy and its use of budget gimmicks to hide a $20 billion increase in spending.
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But Sen. Kent Conrad, the chairman of the Senate Budget Committee, said the measure actually saves the government $110 million.

"This bill does not add to the deficit or debt, because this bill is paid for," he said. "That is not my claim. That is the finding of the Congressional Budget Office."

The discovery of the missing section, Title III, prompted concerns from House Republicans that the override vote was improper.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said the sections of the bill that were originally sent to the president had become law after Congress voted to override Bush's first veto.

But to put Title III into effect, Congress re-passed the entire legislation, including the missing pages, and resent it to Bush. The House voted 306-110 at the end of May. The Senate voted 77-15 for the bill at the beginning of June.

Two-thirds of the $300 billion in spending for the farm bill will go for nutrition programs such as food stamps. Another $40 billion will go toward farm subsidies, and $30 billion is allocated for payments to farms to keep land idle and other environmental programs.

After vetoing the latest version of the farm bill, Bush scolded Congress on Wednesday for not "modifying certain objectionable, onerous and fiscally imprudent provisions. ... I am returning this bill for the same reasons as stated in my veto message."

When he vetoed the first version of the farm bill, Bush said it "continues subsidies for the wealthy and increases farm bill spending by more than $20 billion, while using budget gimmicks to hide much of the increase."

The president said it would hurt efforts to improve American farmers' access to overseas markets.

Congress has passed one other bill over Bush's objections: legislation for a $23 billion water project that the president vetoed in 2007.



This is why I don't blame everything on Bush. The bill did pass with a veto proof majority which included far too many republicans. Big money only has to convince a majority in each house or a veto proof majority plus the president. In this case they did it with a veto proof majority so the pres. didn't matter too much. It is what cheap money allowed politicians to do and put it on the nation's credit card. The bill couldn't have come at a worse time right now.

Bush was the president, however, when the regulatory agencies were not doing their job and Congress could get them to do anything for bending or breaking the rules while they handsomely pocketed big money donations. Does anyone remember Delay's pay to play quote? That is just how Congress has been selling out the nation's interest to the highest bidder. It makes for the worst government money can buy.

The people running our country have been opportunists for their own opportunities while wrecking the nation's economy.

Don't get caught in the republicans vs. democrat multiple choice. Both parties have been pretty naughty and money can and does buy either one when they can. Most of it is done quietly in a backroom so as to not draw attention and let them get away with it.

On the regulatory side, Johanns DID NOTHING when GIPSA was caught lying to Congress and rigging investigations. He just played musical chairs with those running the agency. He is as guilty as the ones incompetently running the agency for the politicians who were getting paid off to get paid by their real clients for the agency to be so dysfunctional. GAO report before the Johann's investigation said that just as soon as the economists put at GIPSA were educated about how the industry was operating they would be yanked out so they could not effectively do anything. This was Johann's game he was allowing to happen on his watch, and thus Bush.

Watch what they do, not what they say.

Tex
 
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Tex said:
Congress overrode President Bush's second veto of a $300 billion farm bill.

Congress passed a $300 billion farm bill over President Bush's veto for a second time Wednesday, a step made necessary by a clerical error when the original bill passed.

The Senate voted 80-14 to approve the measure over Bush's objections, following a 317-109 vote in the House of Representatives. Both votes were well above the two-thirds majority needed to override the veto, which Bush delivered Wednesday morning.

Congress overrode an earlier veto of the farm bill last month, even though lawmakers had discovered that 34 pages were missing in the version originally sent to the White House. In spiking the latest version, Bush said he objected to its continued subsidies for the wealthy and its use of budget gimmicks to hide a $20 billion increase in spending.
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But Sen. Kent Conrad, the chairman of the Senate Budget Committee, said the measure actually saves the government $110 million.

"This bill does not add to the deficit or debt, because this bill is paid for," he said. "That is not my claim. That is the finding of the Congressional Budget Office."

The discovery of the missing section, Title III, prompted concerns from House Republicans that the override vote was improper.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said the sections of the bill that were originally sent to the president had become law after Congress voted to override Bush's first veto.

But to put Title III into effect, Congress re-passed the entire legislation, including the missing pages, and resent it to Bush. The House voted 306-110 at the end of May. The Senate voted 77-15 for the bill at the beginning of June.

Two-thirds of the $300 billion in spending for the farm bill will go for nutrition programs such as food stamps. Another $40 billion will go toward farm subsidies, and $30 billion is allocated for payments to farms to keep land idle and other environmental programs.

After vetoing the latest version of the farm bill, Bush scolded Congress on Wednesday for not "modifying certain objectionable, onerous and fiscally imprudent provisions. ... I am returning this bill for the same reasons as stated in my veto message."

When he vetoed the first version of the farm bill, Bush said it "continues subsidies for the wealthy and increases farm bill spending by more than $20 billion, while using budget gimmicks to hide much of the increase."

The president said it would hurt efforts to improve American farmers' access to overseas markets.

Congress has passed one other bill over Bush's objections: legislation for a $23 billion water project that the president vetoed in 2007.



This is why I don't blame everything on Bush. The bill did pass with a veto proof majority which included far too many republicans. Big money only has to convince a majority in each house or a veto proof majority plus the president. In this case they did it with a veto proof majority so the pres. didn't matter too much. It is what cheap money allowed politicians to do and put it on the nation's credit card. The bill couldn't have come at a worse time right now.

Bush was the president, however, when the regulatory agencies were not doing their job and Congress could get them to do anything for bending or breaking the rules while they handsomely pocketed big money donations. Does anyone remember Delay's pay to play quote? That is just how Congress has been selling out the nation's interest to the highest bidder. It makes for the worst government money can buy.

The people running our country have been opportunists for their own opportunities while wrecking the nation's economy.

Don't get caught in the republicans vs. democrat multiple choice. Both parties have been pretty naughty and money can and does buy either one when they can. Most of it is done quietly in a backroom so as to not draw attention and let them get away with it.


On the regulatory side, Johanns DID NOTHING when GIPSA was caught lying to Congress and rigging investigations. He just played musical chairs with those running the agency. He is as guilty as the ones incompetently running the agency for the politicians who were getting paid off to get paid by their real clients for the agency to be so dysfunctional. GAO report before the Johann's investigation said that just as soon as the economists put at GIPSA were educated about how the industry was operating they would be yanked out so they could not effectively do anything. This was Johann's game he was allowing to happen on his watch, and thus Bush.

Watch what they do, not what they say.

Tex

Yep- on the issue of selling out to lobbyiests and working for their own interests and not the countries George Wallace had it figured out:
"There's not a dime's worth of difference between the Republicans and Democrats."
 

Triangle Bar

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Oldtimer said:
Yep- on the issue of selling out to lobbyiests and working for their own interests and not the countries George Wallace had it figured out:
"There's not a dime's worth of difference between the Republicans and Democrats."

OT, that is exactly what is refreshing about the Tea Party representatives. They are not from the Republican establishment and thus not beholden to them and not involved in the usual, 'what will buy your vote game'. They are beholden to who elected them, their constituency.

Who woulda thunk it.
 

Steve

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Triangle Bar said:
Oldtimer said:
Yep- on the issue of selling out to lobbyiests and working for their own interests and not the countries George Wallace had it figured out:
"There's not a dime's worth of difference between the Republicans and Democrats."

OT, that is exactly what is refreshing about the Tea Party representatives. They are not from the Republican establishment and thus not beholden to them and not involved in the usual, 'what will buy your vote game'. They are beholden to who elected them, their constituency.

Who woulda thunk it.

I didn't agree with everything they held out for, but I am encouraged by their ability to get the ball moving to the fiscal right and how the Tea Party Caucus stood their ground despite being accused as destroying our nation..

it is courage like this that may just save our nation for the next generation..
 

Tex

Well-known member
Steve said:
Triangle Bar said:
Oldtimer said:
Yep- on the issue of selling out to lobbyiests and working for their own interests and not the countries George Wallace had it figured out:
"There's not a dime's worth of difference between the Republicans and Democrats."

OT, that is exactly what is refreshing about the Tea Party representatives. They are not from the Republican establishment and thus not beholden to them and not involved in the usual, 'what will buy your vote game'. They are beholden to who elected them, their constituency.

Who woulda thunk it.

I didn't agree with everything they held out for, but I am encouraged by their ability to get the ball moving to the fiscal right and how the Tea Party Caucus stood their ground despite being accused as destroying our nation..

it is courage like this that may just save our nation for the next generation..

You give way too much credit here. This was kicking the can down the road. The real work will be for them to actually make the cuts and the correct cuts. This deal is just another promise that they will cut half way in the future. The structural problems are a whole lot messier for them to fix and I can't wait to see if they will actually do the hard work instead of playing kick the can once again.

This was a manufactured crisis.

Tex
 

Tex

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Mike said:
This was a manufactured crisis

Yea, by the left...... :roll: :roll: :roll:

No, actually it was manufactured by the House of Representatives. If they wanted to spend less, they need to write the spending bills that way. All I see they did was make another committee. The problem is that every committee they make on both sides of the aisle are opportunists. If they spend less by catering to the very rich, they will pay for it at the polls.

This is really another diversion from running the government competently. Seems to me both parties have been playing politics way too long while selling out to the highest bidder, or in the case of China, the lowest. Now they have to make the tough decisions. Each bill coming out of committees should cut the waste not some big proclamation that they are going to cut x trillions over the next ten years.

50 billion a year trade deficit is 600 billion a year stimulus that does not come from the taxpayers. Are we doing it just so we can have be in a deflationary spiral? It is working!!!
:mad: :mad:

When will Congress start working on THESE issues? They are far more important than playing kick the can.

Tex
 

Mike

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The House passed Cut, Cap, & Balance last week by a large margin. Don't you keep up? :roll:

That was the Bill that would have made a difference.
 

hypocritexposer

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It seems to be hard for those that want to actually CHANGE the way government works, when they are only a small minority of 1 out of 3 branches....


....in 2012, the Tea Party candidates will hopefully gain control of both Houses and the Presidency.



I remember back a few years ago, when the "Reform Party" was gaining some ground in Canada. At the time, I thought, and mentioned, to many that "now is the time to vote for them, before they are corrupted by the system"

I see it about the same with the Tea Party. I am sure that there will be many that get to DC and become "spoiled" or corrupted by the system. Better to vote for as many of them you can, while they are still "virgins" to the system and inner workings.....they still have the "fire in their bellies"
 

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