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Bush lied again.................

kolanuraven

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He said he WOULD NOT...under NO circumstance sign the housing bill coming before Congress..... said it would be just a ' bail out'.


Well he just announced that he WOULD sign it.



Now....question:

Is this CHANGE

Is this FLIP FLOPPING

Is this telling a LIE??????????????????????


I'm sure Ahole and ' Husker will be able to define this for us all.
 

kolanuraven

Well-known member
Sandhusker said:
I didn't think you cared about politicians lying.


It's not about what I think.


By your inability to answer , do we translate that to mean that #1..you are not able to make a difference between the 3 options.....or #2.... just wanting to change the topic?
 

Sandhusker

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kolanuraven said:
Sandhusker said:
I didn't think you cared about politicians lying.


It's not about what I think.


By your inability to answer , do we translate that to mean that #1..you are not able to make a difference between the 3 options.....or #2.... just wanting to change the topic?

Is the legislation that he is signing the same as the legislation that he said he wouldn't sign, or were concessions made to get his signature?

Why don't you have the same level of disgust for Obama's lies? Why the hypocracy?
 

Mike

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He'd be an a-hole to you whether he signs it or not.

When he reaches across the aisle, he's a liar?

But if he doesn't, he's accused of holding up prosperity?

How do YOU feel about the housing bailout bill?
 

kolanuraven

Well-known member
Mike said:
He'd be an a-hole to you whether he signs it or not.

When he reaches across the aisle, he's a liar?

But if he doesn't, he's accused of holding up prosperity?

How do YOU feel about the housing bailout bill?



Why are you guys running from this?

This IS NOT what about I think....as it's well known what I think of Bush.

I'd not trust him in a shthouse with muzzle on. So there, ya happy.?? I have answered your question.


Come on boys....' man up' and answer the question and quit playing !
 

kolanuraven

Well-known member
Sandhusker said:
kolanuraven said:
Sandhusker said:
I didn't think you cared about politicians lying.


It's not about what I think.


By your inability to answer , do we translate that to mean that #1..you are not able to make a difference between the 3 options.....or #2.... just wanting to change the topic?

Is the legislation that he is signing the same as the legislation that he said he wouldn't sign, or were concessions made to get his signature? From what Fox News has just stated...it's the exact same piece w/o any changes.



Why don't you have the same level of disgust for Obama's lies? Why the hypocracy? He's not the President
 

fff

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Well, I have to give Bush some credit for changing his mind and signing the bill. You don't see him do that very often. Since this didn't affect his oil buddies or Iraq, he probably didn't care much one way or another.
 

Mike

Well-known member
kolanuraven said:
Mike said:
He'd be an a-hole to you whether he signs it or not.

When he reaches across the aisle, he's a liar?

But if he doesn't, he's accused of holding up prosperity?

How do YOU feel about the housing bailout bill?



Why are you guys running from this?

This IS NOT what about I think....as it's well known what I think of Bush.

I'd not trust him in a shthouse with muzzle on. So there, ya happy.?? I have answered your question.


Come on boys....' man up' and answer the question and quit playing !

Why are you running from my question?

How do you feel about the bailout?

First you accuse him of spending like a drunken sailor, then you belittle him for showing fiscal restraint? You're a dandy.......... :roll: :roll: :roll:
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
kolanuraven said:
Sandhusker said:
kolanuraven said:
It's not about what I think.


By your inability to answer , do we translate that to mean that #1..you are not able to make a difference between the 3 options.....or #2.... just wanting to change the topic?

Is the legislation that he is signing the same as the legislation that he said he wouldn't sign, or were concessions made to get his signature? From what Fox News has just stated...it's the exact same piece w/o any changes.



Why don't you have the same level of disgust for Obama's lies? Why the hypocracy? He's not the President

So it's OK for presidential candidates to lie because they're not the president yet? Your "logic" is telling....

Did Bush lie or flip? I don't know, he's so bull-headed that a flip would surprise me. I don't know if he's smart enough to lie. Maybe he did, it wouldn't surprise me. In my opinion, he's one of the worst presidents we've had this century - even giving Jimmy Carter a run for that title. I won't make excuses for him.

I still think that you're the definition of hypocracy when you are silent on Obama's lies and flips, but then you blast Bush and even manufacture flips. And then you have the tag line " "To sin by silence when one should protest makes cowards out of men."

People like you should't be allowed to vote. You're clearly so hyperbiased that you've lost all reasoning ability.
 

Mike

Well-known member
Kola jumped the gun bigtime on this one. :roll: :roll: :roll:

The final wording has not even been nailed down in the bill.

The sponsors have obviously agreed to some concessions that Bush will tolerate.
____________________________________________________________
July 22, 2008 – 9:44 p.m.
Housing Bill Headed to House Floor
By Benton Ives, CQ Staff
The House set the stage for floor consideration Wednesday of a comprehensive housing package, including a lifeline for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac that would not include a dollar cap but, against White House wishes, would be subject to the federal debt limit.

Although a final deal hasn’t been worked out with the Senate, lawmakers appear likely to move forward with several modifications to a Bush administration plan to backstop the mortgage giants if their financial situation becomes more dire. The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) said the plan could cost the federal government $25 billion over the next two fiscal years, though it added that chances are “probably better than 50 percent” that a bailout won’t be necessary.

The measure (HR 3221) also includes a regulatory overhaul of Fannie and Freddie and expanded federal loan guarantees for struggling homeowners.

In an effort to shore up Fannie and Freddie — which have seen their share prices plunge in recent weeks — the Bush administration asked for broad new authority for the Treasury Department to offer credit and buy stock in the two companies through the end of 2009 if such intervention is needed to stabilize them.

On Tuesday, House Financial Services Chairman Barney Frank , D-Mass., said the package will not include a dollar limit on the Treasury’s lending, although any spending will be subject to the nation’s statutory debt limit. The legislation would include an increase in the debt limit that was previously planned.

Frank also said the government will have “total control” over the compensation packages for Fannie and Freddie executives, which some critics say are too high. Although the legislation will not include a “mandate” for providing preferred-shareholder status for any government equity stake in the two companies, which would ensure a priority return on a federal investment, that will be an option in the “secretary’s arsenal,” Frank added.

The House package would place the Federal Reserve in a “consultative” role with the new regulator for Fannie and Freddie. But that provision will expire at the end of 2009 under the House bill, while the administration proposal would not have provided an expiration for the Fed’s role.

The cap on the size of mortgages Fannie and Freddie can buy and package as securities, known as the conforming loan limit, would be set at $625,000 in certain high-cost areas, with additional language aimed at allowing more homes to qualify for the programs.

Defying a White House veto threat, the legislation includes a $3.9 billion local grant program for the purchase of foreclosed homes.

“Nobody in America will agree with everything in this bill,” Frank said. He has been working to hammer out a deal with Senate Banking Chairman Christopher J. Dodd , D-Conn., and Alabama Sen. Richard C. Shelby , the panel’s ranking Republican.

In a joint statement late Tuesday, Dodd and Shelby said that they “have been engaged in extensive and largely fruitful discussions with our counterparts in the House of Representatives, as well as Administration officials. We remain optimistic about the prospects for this legislation.”
 

backhoeboogie

Well-known member
Mike said:
The sponsors have obviously agreed to some concessions that Bush will tolerate.

That was sort of my understanding of the situation, but I never know which came first, the chicken or the egg, in some of these issues.

Additionally, we get the media slant and by the time these things get reported and we have time to sit and read the paper or listen to the television, it is already old data and the situation has evolved into something different.

I have a 5 year plan myself :D If something changes between now and the end of the year, my plans may change. Call me a liar or call me anything you'd like. I simply like crossing bridges as I come to them. By the time I actually get there, I may have to take the tunnel instead.
 

kolanuraven

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Sorry boys.....but trying to turn on me won't cut it!!

I won't swell up and pout and run and hide like some others here! :lol: :lol:

This does say one thing.....that if there was a fight I'd sure hate to have you guys defending my back as you're so wishy washy you'd send 14 questions back to the other side first. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


Amazing that a bunch of you loud braggin men folks run from a question from a 120 lb ' girl'........... :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
 

backhoeboogie

Well-known member
kolanuraven said:
backhoeboogie said:
I have a 5 year plan myself


Be careful.....sounds might ' communist' to me!!!!! :lol: :lol:

OMG How should I rephrase it? There's no need in me getting on the list :D :D

As far as me running from a 120 lb lady, it just depends on the lady.

You can't go claiming to be completely lib after you posted your piece on gun control. Aplus was all over that.

What is this bit about turning you on? I didn't know you ever got turned off. Is there are switch somewhere? You aint brought up that six flags height thing in a very long time. Find someone who measures up yet?

Me and the boss lady are celebrating 28 years. Don't start thinking that I'm trolling.
 

kolanuraven

Well-known member
backhoeboogie said:
kolanuraven said:
backhoeboogie said:
I have a 5 year plan myself


Be careful.....sounds might ' communist' to me!!!!! :lol: :lol:


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You can't go claiming to be completely lib after you posted your piece on gun control. Aplus was all over that.

What is this bit about turning you on? I didn't know you ever got turned off. Is there are switch somewhere? You aint brought up that six flags height thing in a very long time. Find someone who measures up yet?


quoting boogie:
You can't go claiming to be completely lib after you posted your piece on gun control. Aplus was all over that.


Item #1...the above statement. I have never said I was ' liberal' as per the definition of the posters here. I am a liberal thinker in the manner that I think for myself and do not ' dog pile' in with " the party' just because they are ' the party'.
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quoting boogie:
What is this bit about turning you on? I didn't know you ever got turned off. Is there are switch somewhere? You aint brought up that six flags height thing in a very long time. Find someone who measures up yet?


What the hell are you talking about? You seem to be wanting too many details here boogie. :wink: Keep it up and I'll sic my man jigs on you!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

backhoeboogie

Well-known member
Something about you had to be at least this tall to ride this ride at six flags. (or was it astroworld or disneyland?)

You had a modified version you referred to a few times.

Is jigs YOUR bulldog?
 
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