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Can BSE be transmitted by Milk?

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Swiss firm finds mad cow proteins in milk

SCHLIEREN, Switzerland, Feb. 5 (UPI) -- Swiss firm Alicon said Monday it detected prion proteins in cow milk, raising the possibility mad cow disease could be transmitted via milk. The findings mark the first time prions have been found in homogenized and pasteurized milk from supermarket shelves. Alicon said it was not clear if the prions were the normal, harmless variety or the abnormal type associated with mad cow disease and related disorders.

"In the case of the prion proteins detected, it is highly likely that they were of the normal variety posing no danger to health," the company said in a statement. "However, the occurrence of the normal variety could mean that the milk of cows already infected with (mad cow disease) also contains infectious prion proteins (i.e., prions) of the disease-causing variety."

In the study, which appears in the journal Public Library of Science, prions were detected in milk from humans, cows, sheep and goats.

Alicon said it is conducting further research on infected animals to help determine if milk can transmit mad cow disease.
 
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This sure fits in with what BSE-tester was saying...Would help fill in some of the question of how CWD is being spread in the deer and elk...

Sure shows that there are still a whole lot of unknowns about BSE that need to be looked into.....
 

TimH

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"In the case of the prion proteins detected, it is highly likely that they were of the normal variety posing no danger to health," the company said in a statement. "

"In the case of the prion proteins detected, it is highly likely that they were of the normal variety posing no danger to health," the company said in a statement. "


Did that clear things up for you, Detective??? :D
 
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TimH said:
"In the case of the prion proteins detected, it is highly likely that they were of the normal variety posing no danger to health," the company said in a statement. "

"In the case of the prion proteins detected, it is highly likely that they were of the normal variety posing no danger to health," the company said in a statement. "


Did that clear things up for you, Detective??? :D

You didn't get it tho did you :roll: It shows that there are prions in milk- which means the mishapen infected ones could be too in an infected animal.....
 

TimH

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Oldtimer said:
TimH said:
"In the case of the prion proteins detected, it is highly likely that they were of the normal variety posing no danger to health," the company said in a statement. "

"In the case of the prion proteins detected, it is that they were of the normal variety posing no danger to health," the company said in a statement. "


Did that clear things up for you, Detective??? :D

You didn't get it tho did you :roll: It shows that there are prions in milk- which means the mishapen infected ones could be too in an infected animal.....

I didn't get it???? :D :D :D :D What does "highly likely" mean to you??

Here's another clue for you....... Tens of thousands of British dairy cattle were found to be BSE positive, starting in the mid '80s. That translates into a lot of milk(and meat). Do think that milk from some of these animals made it to the store shelves??? Shouldn't we be seeing a lot more than 158 cases of vCJD in the UK, 20 some years later???
 
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"In the case of the prion proteins detected, it is highly likely that they were of the normal variety posing no danger to health," the company said in a statement. "

"In the case of the prion proteins detected, it is that they were of the normal variety posing no danger to health," the company said in a statement. "

To me the ones they found in this milk were highly likely to not be the variety that is infected-because the cows weren't infected.... But just the fact of finding that prions exist in milk opens up many avenues...

If the prions can exist in milk- then the infected mishapen infected prions probably exist in infected animals milk... This may lead to the explanation of why CWD is being spread in deer and elk-- that never eat any mammilian SRM type feed material-- and to how other TSE's are spread.....

Remember BSE-tester said his test could find the infected prions in urine and other body tissues-- and many scientists have now found the prions in other organs and in muscle tissue--which blows the hell out of the theory that they can only be found in brain and spinal tissue...
 

TimH

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Oldtimer said:
"In the case of the prion proteins detected, it is highly likely that they were of the normal variety posing no danger to health," the company said in a statement. "

"In the case of the prion proteins detected, it is that they were of the normal variety posing no danger to health," the company said in a statement. "

To me the ones they found in this milk were highly likely to not be the variety that is infected-because the cows weren't infected.... But just the fact of finding that prions exist in milk opens up many avenues...

If the prions can exist in milk- then the infected mishapen infected prions probably exist in infected animals milk... This may lead to the explanation of why CWD is being spread in deer and elk-- that never eat any mammilian SRM type feed material-- and to how other TSE's are spread.....

Remember BSE-tester said his test could find the infected prions in urine and other body tissues-- and many scientists have now found the prions in other organs and in muscle tissue--which blows the hell out of the theory that they can only be found in brain and spinal tissue...

If memory serves, OT, muscle tissue and milk from known BSE positives has been tested and re-tested using IHC, Bio-assay and Western Blot tests. All negative. All proven tests.
If I can find the abstracts later I will post them.
In the meantime, maybe you could think about how it benefits you as a cattle producer to join fast buck artists like Alicon, Prusiner and your buddy Ron Pee-Pee tester, in fear mongering over the safety of beef and dairy products.
 
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TimH said:
Oldtimer said:
"In the case of the prion proteins detected, it is highly likely that they were of the normal variety posing no danger to health," the company said in a statement. "

"In the case of the prion proteins detected, it is that they were of the normal variety posing no danger to health," the company said in a statement. "

To me the ones they found in this milk were highly likely to not be the variety that is infected-because the cows weren't infected.... But just the fact of finding that prions exist in milk opens up many avenues...

If the prions can exist in milk- then the infected mishapen infected prions probably exist in infected animals milk... This may lead to the explanation of why CWD is being spread in deer and elk-- that never eat any mammilian SRM type feed material-- and to how other TSE's are spread.....

Remember BSE-tester said his test could find the infected prions in urine and other body tissues-- and many scientists have now found the prions in other organs and in muscle tissue--which blows the hell out of the theory that they can only be found in brain and spinal tissue...

If memory serves, OT, muscle tissue and milk from known BSE positives has been tested and re-tested using IHC, Bio-assay and Western Blot tests. All negative. All proven tests.
If I can find the abstracts later I will post them.
In the meantime, maybe you could think about how it benefits you as a cattle producer to join fast buck artists like Alicon, Prusiner and your buddy Ron Pee-Pee tester, in fear mongering over the safety of beef and dairy products.

And different (NEW) methods and different (NEW) tests show differing levels of sensitivity...If I remember right they said BSE didn't exist in cattle under 30 months old for some time-- until new methods and more sensitive tests were developed and found it in cattle 24, 23, 21 month olds......

Did it ever occur to you that BSE tester could be quite right and that he can test for BSE in urine-- and that these folks have developed a method to find that prions exist in milk....Science moves on....With your thinking you'd have invented the wheel- but would still be riding a unicycle....

Then throw into all of it that a new study indicates that there is a virus in the infected prion....

Lot of work still needs to be done before anyone has a solid answer....
 

Mike

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Do think that milk from some of these animals made it to the store shelves??? Shouldn't we be seeing a lot more than 158 cases of vCJD in the UK, 20 some years later???

Maybe. Maybe not. There is a species barrier.

But that barrier is not impermeable.........................
 

TimH

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Oldtimer wrote-

"Did it ever occur to you that BSE tester could be quite right and that he can test for BSE in urine-- and that these folks have developed a method to find that prions exist in milk....Science moves on....With your thinking you'd have invented the wheel- but would still be riding a unicycle.... "

Yes, as a matter of I did. Did it ever occur to you that BSE tester's claims are merely that, CLAIMS, until his and Alicon's tests are peer reviewed and approved , they remain only unsubtantiated claims. The jury is out until they can prove that their tests work, fair enough, Your Honor??
As for your unicycle comment....... :D :D :D . Thats's rich...... a career "civil servant" taking a jab at my "thinking"!!!!! :D :D
 

bse-tester

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TimH worte:

In the meantime, maybe you could think about how it benefits you as a cattle producer to join fast buck artists like Alicon, Prusiner and your buddy Ron Pee-Pee tester, in fear mongering over the safety of beef and dairy products.

When one doesn't fully understand the science, they tend to hurl labels like "Fear Mongering," or other comments like "Fast Buck Artists."

As for being peer reviewed, that has just recently happened at an independent lab in Virginia and the resulting data from the findings of the reviewing group are already on their way to the publisher. For the record, the review proved that our test will indeed identify the presence of PrP, PrPc & PrPsc in urine. But then, of course, true to form, you will not believe anything that I say as you feel I am fearmongering and only in this for the fast buck.

Is it something in the water Timmy in Manitoba??? Or do you have indoor plumbing like most folks??? Maybe we should test it for you!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :roll: :roll:
 

TimH

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bse-tester said:
TimH worte:

In the meantime, maybe you could think about how it benefits you as a cattle producer to join fast buck artists like Alicon, Prusiner and your buddy Ron Pee-Pee tester, in fear mongering over the safety of beef and dairy products.

When one doesn't fully understand the science, they tend to hurl labels like "Fear Mongering," or other comments like "Fast Buck Artists."

As for being peer reviewed, that has just recently happened at an independent lab in Virginia and the resulting data from the findings of the reviewing group are already on their way to the publisher. For the record, the review proved that our test will indeed identify the presence of PrP, PrPc & PrPsc in urine. But then, of course, true to form, you will not believe anything that I say as you feel I am fearmongering and only in this for the fast buck.

Is it something in the water Timmy in Manitoba??? Or do you have indoor plumbing like most folks??? Maybe we should test it for you!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :roll: :roll:

:D :D Ha!! Mr.Arrogant himself chiding someone else for "hurling labels"!!!! :D

Sure Ronnie. You're more than welcome to come on down and test our water, in person of course. You can test my pee while you're at it....if you hold the cup....... :D :D :D :D

Let us know when the publisher is done and where we can read the results of the peer review. Then I won't have to take your word for it. :roll:
 

S.S.A.P.

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Oldtimer said:
If the prions can exist in milk- then the infected mishapen infected prions probably exist in infected animals milk... This may lead to the explanation of why CWD is being spread in deer and elk-- that never eat any mammilian SRM type feed material-- and to how other TSE's are spread.....
Remember BSE-tester said his test could find the infected prions in urine and other body tissues-- and many scientists have now found the prions in other organs and in muscle tissue--which blows the hell out of the theory that they can only be found in brain and spinal tissue...

Oldtimer said:
Then throw into all of it that a new study indicates that there is a virus in the infected prion....

Lot of work still needs to be done before anyone has a solid answer....


But yet Oldtimer says: "I know what I raise is 0 risk"?

Oldtimer said:
Since we don't have M-COOL law you can't tell if your eating US beef or Canuck beef-- at least I know what I raise has not been fed any tainted or prohibited products and has 0 risk= which I can't say for sure about other beef...

...-- so I don't trust generic store bought meat as much as I do my own...
 
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S.S.A.P. said:
Oldtimer said:
If the prions can exist in milk- then the infected mishapen infected prions probably exist in infected animals milk... This may lead to the explanation of why CWD is being spread in deer and elk-- that never eat any mammilian SRM type feed material-- and to how other TSE's are spread.....
Remember BSE-tester said his test could find the infected prions in urine and other body tissues-- and many scientists have now found the prions in other organs and in muscle tissue--which blows the hell out of the theory that they can only be found in brain and spinal tissue...

Oldtimer said:
Then throw into all of it that a new study indicates that there is a virus in the infected prion....

Lot of work still needs to be done before anyone has a solid answer....


But yet Oldtimer says: "I know what I raise is 0 risk"?

Oldtimer said:
Since we don't have M-COOL law you can't tell if your eating US beef or Canuck beef-- at least I know what I raise has not been fed any tainted or prohibited products and has 0 risk= which I can't say for sure about other beef...

...-- so I don't trust generic store bought meat as much as I do my own...

So what are you saying ASAP-- Since my cattle get no feed supplements --If I don't buy any infected Canadian cows it won't get introduced into my herd to be passed on thru the milk-- so I can stay 0 risk.... :wink: Thanks
 

S.S.A.P.

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According to you, everything (quote) "blows the hell out of the theory that they can only be found in brain and spinal tissue..."
so tell us again how your herd is "O risk" because you've avoided the tainted and prohibited, mammilian SRM - brain and spinal tissue feed supplements.

How is it that your cows are immune to TSEs from deer urine or virus infected prions from the remains of dead stock and wiidlife on your ground? How is it that your cow’s milk is not susceptible to spreading TSE’s?

The world needs to know how your “0 risk” cattle herd is resistant to and untouchable by all the theories that you proclaim plague all others.
 
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So ASAP- you believe these TSE's are jumping back and forth between/across species then eh? And transmittable directly from one animal to another?.... Could be ...Yep Could be....
That definitely makes things even more scarey with you folks wanting to ship down higher risk cattle if that is true.... :shock: Definitely supports the need for a quarantine/ closed border rule barrier....

One thing tho with that ASAP, and your worries about my cows, is that the disease has to originate (start) from somewhere-- And since I've brought in no cattle that could infect them (never owned a Canuck cow)-- and so far all the deer/elk/wildlife in the area have shown to be TSE/CWD free - then I still have 0 risk with what I raise...

Definitely not enough known about the disease tho.....
 

Bill

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Oldtimer said:
So ASAP- you believe these TSE's are jumping back and forth between/across species then eh? And transmittable directly from one animal to another?.... Could be ...Yep Could be....
That definitely makes things even more scarey with you folks wanting to ship down higher risk cattle if that is true.... :shock: Definitely supports the need for a quarantine/ closed border rule barrier....

One thing tho with that ASAP, and your worries about my cows, is that the disease has to originate (start) from somewhere-- And since I've brought in no cattle that could infect them (never owned a Canuck cow)-- and so far all the deer/elk/wildlife in the area have shown to be TSE/CWD free - then I still have 0 risk with what I raise...
Definitely not enough known about the disease tho.....

More lip flapping from the guy who brought us this?

Oldtimer wrote:http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=16566
vCJD claimed 70 lives last year
Monday, 05 Feb 2007 13:33

Seventy people died in the UK from variant creutzfeldt-jakob disease (vCJD) last year, government figures showed.

The latest update from the Department of Health (DoH) revealed that the number of fatalities during 2006 fell from 86 the previous year.

Apart from 2004, when only 67 people died from the disease, 70 is the lowest number of vCJD-related deaths since 1996.

vCJD is the type of CJD linked to BSE – or 'mad cow disease'.
Why do you even bother Oldtimer as you have shown us time and time again that you can't be believed.

Nobody has zero risk from any disease if they raise livestock. Not BSE or any other disease and only only a complete idiot would believe otherwise.
 

S.S.A.P.

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:cry: :cry: :cry2: Poor old Dickheads into his unique, pristine bubble :oops: when his favorite BSE/TSE trasmission theories are applied to his cattle.

:idea: His cattle are .... aliens, from where did they come from :secret: !
:shock: They can't have come from his state or the states to east, west or south; CWD in the deer and elk :shock: to the south is definite BSE positive American cows. :shock: It's spreading by urine, milk, body tissues and viruses :? And yet with all these explanations and theories his cattle and property could not be infected and remain at "0 risk" :shock: :shock: :roll: :roll:

Scientists of the world should be commanding his presence and his genetics :clap: :clap: :clap:
 
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