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Can McSame count? Or maybe live in a different universe?

fff

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John McCain
McCain Asserts Return to Pre-Surge Iraq Troop Levels
By Michael D. Shear
Sen. John McCain has attacked Sen. Barack Obama for not traveling to Iraq to see the "facts on the ground." But a recent statement by McCain about troop levels has his opponents raising questions about his own knowledge.

In comments to reporters on Thursday, McCain asserted that "I can tell you that it is succeeding. I can look you in the eye and tell you it's succeeding. We have drawn down to pre-surge levels. Basra, Mosul and now Sadr city are quiet and it's long and it's hard and it's tough and there will be setbacks."

In fact, as the Obama campaign was quick to point out, the troop level in Iraq is at about 155,000 right now, well above the 130,000 that would mark a return to pre-surge levels. The goal, according to a transcript of a news briefing with Joint Staff director for operations Lt. Gen. Carter Ham at the end of February, is to reduce troop levels to 140,000 -- still above the pre-surge levels.

A representative exchange:

Q: General, coming back to Iraq and the troop numbers, so what you're saying is by the time we get to the end of July, we're going to be at 140,000, which looks to me like we're still talking about significantly higher than pre-surge levels in Iraq. Am I reading that correctly?
GEN. HAM: Yes.


Three of the five brigades that were added during the surge have been rotated out. The other brigades are in process of rotating out, and even when they depart, support personnel that were added during the surge will remain for the time being, military officials have said.

McCain's comments about Mosul being "quiet" also have raised some eyebrows. On the day that he said that, three suicide bombings in Mosul and the surrounding areas had left 30 Iraqis dead.

Obama's campaign seized on the slip ups, holding a news conference with Sen. John Kerry to blast McCain on the troop level mistake.

The McCain campaign reacted quickly, and angrily.

"What informed people understand, John McCain included, is that American troops are not even close to Surge levels," said McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds in a statement. "Three of the five Army 'Surge' brigades have been withdrawn and additional Marines that were initially deployed for the 'Surge' have come home as well -- the remaining two brigades will be home in July. Talk about a political stunt, it's sending out campaign surrogates to parse words about a topic Barack Obama has no experience with, and has shown zero interest in learning about."

The spat had the feel of a classic back-and-forth as Democratic spokesman Damien LaVera quickly issued a statement saying: "Either John McCain doesn't know the facts on the ground in Iraq or he is continuing the Bush Administration's pattern of intentionally misleading the public. Either way, he is the wrong choice for America's future."

And McCain's team has scheduled a conference call for reporters this afternoon.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/05/30/mccain_asserts_return_to_presu.html

Blatant lies worked for the Bush Administration. Will it work for McCain? Looking a bit doubtful here.
 

aplusmnt

Well-known member
fff said:
John McCain
McCain Asserts Return to Pre-Surge Iraq Troop Levels
By Michael D. Shear
Sen. John McCain has attacked Sen. Barack Obama for not traveling to Iraq to see the "facts on the ground." But a recent statement by McCain about troop levels has his opponents raising questions about his own knowledge.

In comments to reporters on Thursday, McCain asserted that "I can tell you that it is succeeding. I can look you in the eye and tell you it's succeeding. We have drawn down to pre-surge levels. Basra, Mosul and now Sadr city are quiet and it's long and it's hard and it's tough and there will be setbacks."

In fact, as the Obama campaign was quick to point out, the troop level in Iraq is at about 155,000 right now, well above the 130,000 that would mark a return to pre-surge levels. The goal, according to a transcript of a news briefing with Joint Staff director for operations Lt. Gen. Carter Ham at the end of February, is to reduce troop levels to 140,000 -- still above the pre-surge levels.

A representative exchange:

Q: General, coming back to Iraq and the troop numbers, so what you're saying is by the time we get to the end of July, we're going to be at 140,000, which looks to me like we're still talking about significantly higher than pre-surge levels in Iraq. Am I reading that correctly?
GEN. HAM: Yes.


Three of the five brigades that were added during the surge have been rotated out. The other brigades are in process of rotating out, and even when they depart, support personnel that were added during the surge will remain for the time being, military officials have said.

McCain's comments about Mosul being "quiet" also have raised some eyebrows. On the day that he said that, three suicide bombings in Mosul and the surrounding areas had left 30 Iraqis dead.

Obama's campaign seized on the slip ups, holding a news conference with Sen. John Kerry to blast McCain on the troop level mistake.

The McCain campaign reacted quickly, and angrily.

"What informed people understand, John McCain included, is that American troops are not even close to Surge levels," said McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds in a statement. "Three of the five Army 'Surge' brigades have been withdrawn and additional Marines that were initially deployed for the 'Surge' have come home as well -- the remaining two brigades will be home in July. Talk about a political stunt, it's sending out campaign surrogates to parse words about a topic Barack Obama has no experience with, and has shown zero interest in learning about."

The spat had the feel of a classic back-and-forth as Democratic spokesman Damien LaVera quickly issued a statement saying: "Either John McCain doesn't know the facts on the ground in Iraq or he is continuing the Bush Administration's pattern of intentionally misleading the public. Either way, he is the wrong choice for America's future."

And McCain's team has scheduled a conference call for reporters this afternoon.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/05/30/mccain_asserts_return_to_presu.html

Blatant lies worked for the Bush Administration. Will it work for McCain? Looking a bit doubtful here.

Hopefully they will make him do it under oath, then I wonder if they will be willing to prosecute him once he gets caught in perjury.

Bet you anything if he is sworn in under oath, lots of them comments in his book will become more hear say with him beating around the bushes, that strong yes or no answers. Heck I wonder if he can even remember what all his publisher added to the book and what parts he wrote?

Either way this man is a snake, either he should have resigned a long time ago or he is lying now. Either way you skin it he is still a low life, out to make some money because all you anti Bush Liberals will buy his book, no one would have bought it if he did not cause some stink.

And I agree with what Kolan said, (hope I quote her correctly) no new news here!
 

fff

Well-known member
aplusmnt said:
fff said:
John McCain
McCain Asserts Return to Pre-Surge Iraq Troop Levels
By Michael D. Shear
Sen. John McCain has attacked Sen. Barack Obama for not traveling to Iraq to see the "facts on the ground." But a recent statement by McCain about troop levels has his opponents raising questions about his own knowledge.

In comments to reporters on Thursday, McCain asserted that "I can tell you that it is succeeding. I can look you in the eye and tell you it's succeeding. We have drawn down to pre-surge levels. Basra, Mosul and now Sadr city are quiet and it's long and it's hard and it's tough and there will be setbacks."

In fact, as the Obama campaign was quick to point out, the troop level in Iraq is at about 155,000 right now, well above the 130,000 that would mark a return to pre-surge levels. The goal, according to a transcript of a news briefing with Joint Staff director for operations Lt. Gen. Carter Ham at the end of February, is to reduce troop levels to 140,000 -- still above the pre-surge levels.

A representative exchange:

Q: General, coming back to Iraq and the troop numbers, so what you're saying is by the time we get to the end of July, we're going to be at 140,000, which looks to me like we're still talking about significantly higher than pre-surge levels in Iraq. Am I reading that correctly?
GEN. HAM: Yes.


Three of the five brigades that were added during the surge have been rotated out. The other brigades are in process of rotating out, and even when they depart, support personnel that were added during the surge will remain for the time being, military officials have said.

McCain's comments about Mosul being "quiet" also have raised some eyebrows. On the day that he said that, three suicide bombings in Mosul and the surrounding areas had left 30 Iraqis dead.

Obama's campaign seized on the slip ups, holding a news conference with Sen. John Kerry to blast McCain on the troop level mistake.

The McCain campaign reacted quickly, and angrily.

"What informed people understand, John McCain included, is that American troops are not even close to Surge levels," said McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds in a statement. "Three of the five Army 'Surge' brigades have been withdrawn and additional Marines that were initially deployed for the 'Surge' have come home as well -- the remaining two brigades will be home in July. Talk about a political stunt, it's sending out campaign surrogates to parse words about a topic Barack Obama has no experience with, and has shown zero interest in learning about."

The spat had the feel of a classic back-and-forth as Democratic spokesman Damien LaVera quickly issued a statement saying: "Either John McCain doesn't know the facts on the ground in Iraq or he is continuing the Bush Administration's pattern of intentionally misleading the public. Either way, he is the wrong choice for America's future."

And McCain's team has scheduled a conference call for reporters this afternoon.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/05/30/mccain_asserts_return_to_presu.html

Blatant lies worked for the Bush Administration. Will it work for McCain? Looking a bit doubtful here.

Hopefully they will make him do it under oath, then I wonder if they will be willing to prosecute him once he gets caught in perjury.

Bet you anything if he is sworn in under oath, lots of them comments in his book will become more hear say with him beating around the bushes, that strong yes or no answers. Heck I wonder if he can even remember what all his publisher added to the book and what parts he wrote?

Either way this man is a snake, either he should have resigned a long time ago or he is lying now. Either way you skin it he is still a low life, out to make some money because all you anti Bush Liberals will buy his book, no one would have bought it if he did not cause some stink.

And I agree with what Kolan said, (hope I quote her correctly) no new news here!

McSame is a snake? Glad you've seen the light. :lol:
 

aplusmnt

Well-known member
aplusmnt said:
fff said:
John McCain
McCain Asserts Return to Pre-Surge Iraq Troop Levels
By Michael D. Shear
Sen. John McCain has attacked Sen. Barack Obama for not traveling to Iraq to see the "facts on the ground." But a recent statement by McCain about troop levels has his opponents raising questions about his own knowledge.

In comments to reporters on Thursday, McCain asserted that "I can tell you that it is succeeding. I can look you in the eye and tell you it's succeeding. We have drawn down to pre-surge levels. Basra, Mosul and now Sadr city are quiet and it's long and it's hard and it's tough and there will be setbacks."

In fact, as the Obama campaign was quick to point out, the troop level in Iraq is at about 155,000 right now, well above the 130,000 that would mark a return to pre-surge levels. The goal, according to a transcript of a news briefing with Joint Staff director for operations Lt. Gen. Carter Ham at the end of February, is to reduce troop levels to 140,000 -- still above the pre-surge levels.

A representative exchange:

Q: General, coming back to Iraq and the troop numbers, so what you're saying is by the time we get to the end of July, we're going to be at 140,000, which looks to me like we're still talking about significantly higher than pre-surge levels in Iraq. Am I reading that correctly?
GEN. HAM: Yes.


Three of the five brigades that were added during the surge have been rotated out. The other brigades are in process of rotating out, and even when they depart, support personnel that were added during the surge will remain for the time being, military officials have said.

McCain's comments about Mosul being "quiet" also have raised some eyebrows. On the day that he said that, three suicide bombings in Mosul and the surrounding areas had left 30 Iraqis dead.

Obama's campaign seized on the slip ups, holding a news conference with Sen. John Kerry to blast McCain on the troop level mistake.

The McCain campaign reacted quickly, and angrily.

"What informed people understand, John McCain included, is that American troops are not even close to Surge levels," said McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds in a statement. "Three of the five Army 'Surge' brigades have been withdrawn and additional Marines that were initially deployed for the 'Surge' have come home as well -- the remaining two brigades will be home in July. Talk about a political stunt, it's sending out campaign surrogates to parse words about a topic Barack Obama has no experience with, and has shown zero interest in learning about."

The spat had the feel of a classic back-and-forth as Democratic spokesman Damien LaVera quickly issued a statement saying: "Either John McCain doesn't know the facts on the ground in Iraq or he is continuing the Bush Administration's pattern of intentionally misleading the public. Either way, he is the wrong choice for America's future."

And McCain's team has scheduled a conference call for reporters this afternoon.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/05/30/mccain_asserts_return_to_presu.html

Blatant lies worked for the Bush Administration. Will it work for McCain? Looking a bit doubtful here.

Wrong thread my bad :oops: Can't keep my replies to fff and OT sorted out, they are so similar :lol:
 

fff

Well-known member
aplusmnt said:
aplusmnt said:
fff said:
Blatant lies worked for the Bush Administration. Will it work for McCain? Looking a bit doubtful here.

Wrong thread my bad :oops: Can't keep my replies to fff and OT sorted out, they are so similar :lol:

Oh, it's ok. I see that you're having a difficult time coming to terms with the fact your hero, George W. Bush, is a scumbag and more and more of his own people are saying so.

Did you know that John McCain was responsible for losing five (5) Navy airplanes, only one of them in combat? Why would the Navy let someone like that keep flying? Maybe because his dad and granddad were Admirals? :? This is certainly going to require more research. I'll try to keep you informed. :D
 

aplusmnt

Well-known member
fff said:
Oh, it's ok. I see that you're having a difficult time coming to terms with the fact your hero, George W. Bush, is a scumbag and more and more of his own people are saying so.

Did you know that John McCain was responsible for losing five (5) Navy airplanes, only one of them in combat? Why would the Navy let someone like that keep flying? Maybe because his dad and granddad were Admirals? :? This is certainly going to require more research. I'll try to keep you informed. :D

First off you do not read or comprehend very well or you would know I am not a big George Bush fan. Just not an anti war radical like you.

Secondly this is twice you have slammed McCain's military service, you are barking up the wrong tree and all it does his help to prove you are one of them radical left wing loons that wish and look for bad in everyone. And can not even accept some good in a person if they are a Republican. You much like OT are loosing major crediability on this sight for your Far left loonienes and extreme Kool-Aid drinking. I imagine you both sport a Kool-Aid mustache 24/7.
 

fff

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aplusmnt said:
Secondly this is twice you have slammed McCain's military service, you are barking up the wrong tree and all it does his help to prove you are one of them radical left wing loons that wish and look for bad in everyone. And can not even accept some good in a person if they are a Republican. You much like OT are loosing major crediability on this sight for your Far left loonienes and extreme Kool-Aid drinking. I imagine you both sport a Kool-Aid mustache 24/7.

McSame's military service will get some examination; just like John Kerry's was raked over with a fine tooth comb and George W. Bush's. Why would you object to that? Fair is fair, you know.

If he did indeed lose four aircraft, that would generally get someone kicked off flight status, or at least some sort of comments on his official records. Did that happen to McSame? Have his military records been released yet? Some say he should never have been admitted to flight school because of his test scores. Sounds just the same as George W. Bush and the Guard! Will we find that McSame drifted through Annapolis and his navy career on his daddy and granddaddy's reputation? We'll see.
 

hopalong

Well-known member
fff said:
aplusmnt said:
Secondly this is twice you have slammed McCain's military service, you are barking up the wrong tree and all it does his help to prove you are one of them radical left wing loons that wish and look for bad in everyone. And can not even accept some good in a person if they are a Republican. You much like OT are loosing major crediability on this sight for your Far left loonienes and extreme Kool-Aid drinking. I imagine you both sport a Kool-Aid mustache 24/7.

McSame's military service will get some examination; just like John Kerry's was raked over with a fine tooth comb and George W. Bush's. Why would you object to that? Fair is fair, you know.

If he did indeed lose four aircraft, that would generally get someone kicked off flight status, or at least some sort of comments on his official records. Did that happen to McSame? Have his military records been released yet? Some say he should never have been admitted to flight school because of his test scores. Sounds just the same as George W. Bush and the Guard! Will we find that McSame drifted through Annapolis and his navy career on his daddy and granddaddy's reputation? We'll see.


Perhaps your "research failed to find this report, or did you leave it out in order to mislead people??

Vietnam

In June of 1967, McCain (by then a lieutenant commander) set out for Vietnam from Norfolk, Virginia aboard the USS Forrestal. The carrier was in the Gulf of Tonkin on July 29, its crew preparing for the second launch of the fifth day of striking enemy targets in North Vietnam, when one of its own bombs detonated on deck. McCain narrowly escaped the resulting conflagration that killed 132 crewmen, with two others missing and presumed dead, and injured 62 more. It was one of the worst military accidents of the war.

A little less than three months later, on October 26, McCain was making his 23rd bombing mission over North Vietnam when his plane was hit by an antiaircraft missile. Forced to eject, breaking both arms and a leg in the process, he landed in a lake near Hanoi and was captured. He spent the next five and a half years as a prisoner of war (POW) at the sarcastically nicknamed "Hanoi Hilton."

Injured and ill, McCain was denied medical assistance until his captors learned that he was an admiral's son, and even then treatment was rudimentary. His father's position also prompted the North Vietnamese to offer him early release in June of 1968. McCain refused, as the U.S. Military Code of Conduct required that prisoners accept release on a first in/first out basis, and there were more than 100 POWs ahead of him. His refusal resulted in a round of torture that included knocking his teeth out, hanging him by his broken arms, and beating him almost around the clock for a week. Although the abuse never succeeded in convincing McCain to accept early release, he did break down and sign a confession that he was a "black criminal" and an "air pirate." The shame of the confession led McCain to contemplate suicide at the time, and stayed with him years after the fact. "The only thing I can say is that the code says you will resist to the best of your ability," he told Pierce in 1998. "But I failed myself. I failed my fellow prisoners. I failed my family, and I failed my country. Is there anybody else?" Most did not judge McCain as harshly as he judged himself; many, indeed, found his ongoing determination to remain in prison heroic. He was finally released on March 14, 1973, and returned home with a Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart, and the Distinguished Flying Cross.


The seven years following McCain's homecoming were uneven. He advanced professionally, attending the National War College in Washington, D.C. and receiving a promotion to captain in 1977. 1977 also saw his appointment as the Navy's liaison to the U.S. Senate, a position that laid the groundwork for his political ambitions. His personal life, however, was less than stellar. Carousing, womanizing, and a poor choice of companions led to some unsavory episodes, and ultimately resulted in a divorce from his first wife in 1980. Candid about this period in his life, McCain explained to Pierce, "One of the reasons I've been reluctant to judge other people is that I've had so many failures of my own. I failed when I was in prison. I failed in my [first] marriage. I think that if there are any benefits from my failure, it's to realize that other people fail, too."

McCain's life began to get back on the right track after his 1980 marriage to Cindy Lou Hensley, daughter of a prosperous Arizona beer distributor. He retired from the Navy the following year, and the newlyweds moved to Arizona to embark on McCain's new career. In 1982, he was elected to the United States House of Representatives as a Republican. A longtime admirer of then - President Ronald Reagan, McCain generally embraced the party line for his two terms in the House. In 1985, he was elected to the Senate seat vacated by retiring elder statesman Barry Goldwater. And before too long, McCain began to make waves.


The freshman senator was appointed to various committees, including the Armed Services Committee and the Commerce, Science, and Transportation Committee (which he went on to chair). Among the early issues he embraced were veterans' rights and the push to normalize relations with Vietnam (on which he joined forces with Democratic Senator and fellow war hero John Kerry, and which was finally realized in July of 1995). McCain suffered an early embarrassing setback in 1989 when he was investigated, along with four other senators, regarding political contribution improprieties involving Charles Keating, who ended up in jail over one of the biggest savings and loans scandals ever. McCain was the only one of the five to be absolved of any wrongdoing except "poor judgment," and the experience engendered his championing the issue of campaign finance reform (also eventually attained, with Democratic support, in 2002).
 

aplusmnt

Well-known member
fff said:
aplusmnt said:
Secondly this is twice you have slammed McCain's military service, you are barking up the wrong tree and all it does his help to prove you are one of them radical left wing loons that wish and look for bad in everyone. And can not even accept some good in a person if they are a Republican. You much like OT are loosing major crediability on this sight for your Far left loonienes and extreme Kool-Aid drinking. I imagine you both sport a Kool-Aid mustache 24/7.

McSame's military service will get some examination; just like John Kerry's was raked over with a fine tooth comb and George W. Bush's. Why would you object to that? Fair is fair, you know.

If he did indeed lose four aircraft, that would generally get someone kicked off flight status, or at least some sort of comments on his official records. Did that happen to McSame? Have his military records been released yet? Some say he should never have been admitted to flight school because of his test scores. Sounds just the same as George W. Bush and the Guard! Will we find that McSame drifted through Annapolis and his navy career on his daddy and granddaddy's reputation? We'll see.

I don't care if anyone looks into his career, but I think it has been pretty transparent and only the far left loonies and bloggers and of course you will make something out of nothing.

McCain has been branded a Hero and rightly so and even the average Liberal does not question his service, just you far left loonies. But go ahead and compete with OT in the lack of crediability race of 2008 on Political Bull. :wink:
 
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