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can someone please explain what the Tea Party actually is?

beethoven

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surely it is several things, a collection of republicans, democrats, religious types, atheists, people who agree and disagree.. does not seem to be run by anyone or any group in particular, yes?

some of it is alarming, and some admirable as well. what is fabulous: it is grass roots

what i clearly do see is a protest of government.



perhaps media isnt doing a good job of delivering on this.
 

hypocritexposer

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beethoven said:
surely it is several things, a collection of republicans, democrats, religious types, atheists, people who agree and disagree.. does not seem to be run by anyone or any group in particular, yes?

some of it is alarming, and some admirable as well. what is fabulous: it is grass roots

what i clearly do see is a protest of government.



perhaps media isnt doing a good job of delivering on this.

Did you read the article I posted by Naoimi Wolf? If not, it's a pretty good description of what the Tea party "is".

I'll let some of the Tea Party members on Ranchers add to, or criticize her assesment.





Tea Time in America
By Naomi Wolf
Published on March 5, 2010 +-Text size


EVER SINCE the first “Tea Party” convention was held last month in Nashville, Tennessee, with Sarah Palin as one of the keynote speakers, America’s political and media establishments have been reacting with a combination of apprehension and disdain.

The Speaker of the US House of Representatives, Nancy Pelosi, has called the Tea Party adherents Nazis, while the mainstream media tend to portray them as ignorant and provincial, a passive rabble with raw emotion but little analytical skill, stirred up and manipulated by demagogues to advance their own agendas.

To be sure, the Tea Party’s brand of aggrieved populism – and its composition of mostly white, angry, middle-class voters – has deep roots in the United States, flaring up during times of change. But observers who have drawn comparisons to the Know-Nothings, the racist, paranoid, anti-Catholic, and anti-immigrant party that surged in the 1850s, are reading the movement far too superficially.

Indeed, those who deride and dismiss this movement do so at their peril. While some Tea Partiers may be racist or focused on eccentric themes – such as the validity of Barack Obama’s birth certificate – far more of them, those who were part of the original grass-roots effort, are focused on issues that have merit.

If you actually listen to them, instead of just reading accounts transmitted through the distorting mirror of the mainstream media, you hear grievances that are profound, as well as some proposals that are actually ahead of their time.

For example, Tea Party activists, using a group called End the Fed, were among the first to focus critical attention on the unelected and unaccountable US Federal Reserve Board. Now legislation is being put forward to establish greater transparency at the Fed – surely a laudable outcome.

While those attracted to the Tea Party movement are a diverse group, some common themes emerge. They see a struggle for the soul of the Tea Party between true libertarians, who are worried about individual liberties, and traditional conservatives.

Many who spoke to me directly in my Facebook community believe that Congress is utterly broken and regard faith in either of America’s major parties as naïve. They view the Democrats and the Republicans alike as obstacles to change, drowning out the voices of the people as they kowtow to special interests. They are concerned about concentrated Federal control, spiraling debt, and the loss of individual rights.

Are they really wrong? After all, the movement took shape following the US government’s massive – and bipartisan – bailout of Wall Street banks. And, at a time when the Chinese government, America’s main creditor, has begun sending clear signals about its preferences for US domestic policy – even as it ignores American criticism of its human rights record – are the Tea Partiers merely being paranoid?

As little as I like Sarah Palin, the fact is that entrenched lobbying and other special interests mean that a “changing of the guard” in Washington is too often only a change in branding. As Barack Obama submits to the pressures of a US Department of Defence in which private contractors comprise 65 per cent of the staffing budget, proposes preventive detention of Guantánamo detainees, and perpetuates the status quo in myriad other ways, her question – “So how’s that whole hopey-changey thing workin’ out for ya?” – is not the wrong question.

Indeed, for nearly a decade, concentration of executive power has threatened America’s system of checks and balances and given the Federal government the authority to spy on citizens, withhold information, and aggressively arrest and even Taser protesters – or to hire private contractors to do so.

In these circumstances, the Tea Party activists’ focus on supporting states’ autonomy – and even on property rights and the right to bear arms – can seem like a prescient effort to constrain overweening corporate and military power in national government.

That is why the elites in general are so quick to ridicule this movement. A movement that is genuinely populist in origin poses a threat to their own position in the power structure. For once, a grassroots movement has arisen that is composed of people – some with Ivy League degrees, but many without – who are taking seriously the internet-age promise that you don’t have to yield leadership to an established class of politicians and pundits.

This is also why the Republicans are seeking to capture the Tea Party movement’s energy for partisan purposes, overrunning it with well-paid operatives, particularly from former Representative Dick Armey’s fundraising and advocacy organization. Moreover, Tea Party gatherings have increasingly become a platform for Republican candidates seeking the support of a highly mobilised electoral base.

I hope that the Republican establishment does not succeed in co-opting the Tea Party – and that the Democratic establishment does not, either. And I hope that the movement captures the imagination of progressives, who are equally disgusted with the corruption of the status quo, and who can agree on many thematic goals, even if their policy proposals might be different.

At its worst, any populist movement can descend to demagoguery. But the Tea Party movement at its best (or in its origin) is constitutionalist. That is an awakening – and long overdue – sentiment in America, and one that spans the political divide.

The Tea Party movement’s adherents are angry – and, in many respects, justifiably so – but most of them are not crazy. That diagnosis better suits those who prefer to ignore them.

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/opinions/tea-time-america/20100305
 

hypocritexposer

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beethoven said:
yes thank you i did read it.

all about your first ammendment then, yes?

I don't know anything about it, I'm Canadian. :wink: :lol:


By your usage of "your", is it safe to assume you are also not an American, or that you don't also take ownership of the 1st?
 

Steve

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as with any diverse grass roots group the core values might be the same, but which issue is most important can seem like a moving target...

the tea party seems to have strong core values... those values transcend issues... but also bind us to see the issues in the same light..

for example

most "Tea party" people value property rights... and find eminent domain for the greater good something that must be done only in the cases of the most dire needs..

and not to line someone's pocket or to take from one to give to another..

why.. because it is stealing.. it is wrong.. and we don't want it to happen to ourselves, our neighbor, or a stranger.. or even our worse enemy..

and we can't understand how cold and callous a politician and government must become to justify taking a property to give to a developer to sell off and make money at a citizen's expense..

we can't see the court's decision as justice.. it angers us.

it also unites US.. and only a career politician would disagree..

so if we unite on that anger... and rid ourselves of the "career politician" few will have the clout to steal a neighbors' property again to line a campaign doners' pockets
 

beethoven

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thank you Steve, appreciate your postings.

yes i am not american.




editted to add, agree. a commonality of what we value can lead to solutions. values we agree on, no matter our border or group.

mindful there are similar uprisings and protests of goverment throughout the world.

reading the closing remarks here:

http://www.monbiot.com/archives/2010/10/11/the-values-of-everything/




Ed Miliband appears to understands this need. He told the Labour conference that he “wants to change our society so that it values community and family, not just work” and “wants to change our foreign policy so that it’s always based on values, not just alliances … We must shed old thinking and stand up for those who believe there is more to life than the bottom line.”(5) But there’s a paradox here, which means that we cannot rely on politicians to drive these changes. Those who succeed in politics are, by definition, people who prioritise extrinsic values. Their ambition must supplant peace of mind, family life, friendship - even brotherly love.

So we must lead this shift ourselves. People with strong intrinsic values must cease to be embarrassed by them. We should argue for the policies we want not on the grounds of expediency but on the grounds that they are empathetic and kind; and against others on the grounds that they are selfish and cruel. In asserting our values we become the change we want to see.
 
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