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HAY MAKER

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Why the Canadian cattle man is so intent on partnering with packers,I admitt I dont know anything about packer partnering,had limited experience with it once,me and my brother had some pretty good black cattle finished about the time someone started a "show list rumor"we wound up with a little money for alot of work,he stuck with it and I went back to what I know best ,backgrounding steers to about 8 weight,I always thought by the time you haul em hedge em and finish em,the differnce in money was nil ?
good luck

PS This captive supply has got to stop,we are pushing the captive supply reform law...........what are you canucks pushing ?I think I will go over to agriville and ask those packer partnering canucks......give ole kaiser a chance to make a snide remark or two,gets pretty feisty over at agriville,guess he considers it home turff :D
 

Big Muddy rancher

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HAY MAKER said:
Why the Canadian cattle man is so intent on partnering with packers,I admitt I dont know anything about packer partnering,had limited experience with it once,me and my brother had some pretty good black cattle finished about the time someone started a "show list rumor"we wound up with a little money for alot of work,he stuck with it and I went back to what I know best ,backgrounding steers to about 8 weight,I always thought by the time you haul em hedge em and finish em,the differnce in money was nil ?
good luck

PS This captive supply has got to stop,we are pushing the captive supply reform law...........what are you canucks pushing ?I think I will go over to agriville and ask those packer partnering canucks......give ole kaiser a chance to make a snide remark or two,gets pretty feisty over at agriville,guess he considers it home turff :D

Haymaker why don't you take a drive up to Cactus Feeders. They probably parnter on more cattle with a packer then ALL the feedlots in Saskatchewan.
 

Kato

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What makes you think Canadian cattlemen are intent on partnering with packers? :???: :???:

And exactly how do you partner with a packer?? :???:
 
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Anonymous

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I don't think Canadian cattlemen are so intent on partnering with the Packers- but that is the direction and impression given by the so called Canadian cattle organizations (CCA/ABP) and their leadership that has crawled into bed with the Packer boys- same as NCBA......

That is what makes hearing the positive and progressive voices of the Cams, Rkaisers, and groups like BIG C sound like a breath of fresh air-- rather than all the others old status quo of going back to riding on the US cattlemans shirttails......
 

HAY MAKER

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Kato said:
What makes you think Canadian cattlemen are intent on partnering with packers? :???: :???:

And exactly how do you partner with a packer?? :???:

let me ask you a question Kato,how do you sell your cattle ?
good luck..............actually forget about how you sell your cattle,bottom line is they wind up contributing to canadian captive supply,its a fact,packers use this to pressure cash markets.
Where are your packer laws ?
 

HAY MAKER

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Oldtimer said:
I don't think Canadian cattlemen are so intent on partnering with the Packers- but that is the direction and impression given by the so called Canadian cattle organizations (CCA/ABP) and their leadership that has crawled into bed with the Packer boys- same as NCBA......

That is what makes hearing the positive and progressive voices of the Cams, Rkaisers, and groups like BIG C sound like a breath of fresh air-- rather than all the others old status quo of going back to riding on the US cattlemans shirttails......

I havent heard the positive progressive voices of the cams/kaisers and big c where are they at on packer laws ?
good luck
 

HAY MAKER

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Big Muddy rancher said:
OH Haymaker, Your playing Stupid again. :roll: :roll:

What a terrible thing to say to an ole Hay maker just barely scraping by,now answer the question,where are you at on packer laws ?
good luck
ps dont try to hide or two step around the question,............what are you doing about the proven problem of canadian captive supply ?
 
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Anonymous

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HAY MAKER said:
Oldtimer said:
I don't think Canadian cattlemen are so intent on partnering with the Packers- but that is the direction and impression given by the so called Canadian cattle organizations (CCA/ABP) and their leadership that has crawled into bed with the Packer boys- same as NCBA......

That is what makes hearing the positive and progressive voices of the Cams, Rkaisers, and groups like BIG C sound like a breath of fresh air-- rather than all the others old status quo of going back to riding on the US cattlemans shirttails......

I havent heard the positive progressive voices of the cams/kaisers and big c where are they at on packer laws ?
good luck

Maybe kaiser will answer for himself-- but I think I remember seeing him on Agriville saying they in Canada need to do the same thing with breaking the Packer hold on the cattlemen- supporting M-COOL and packer bans on ownership...

Its just like down here- the leadership of the ABP/CCA are tied at the hip with the AMI/Packers just like the NCBA leadership-- and none of those are representing the true feelings of the majority of the cattlemen....
 

HAY MAKER

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Oldtimer said:
HAY MAKER said:
Oldtimer said:
I don't think Canadian cattlemen are so intent on partnering with the Packers- but that is the direction and impression given by the so called Canadian cattle organizations (CCA/ABP) and their leadership that has crawled into bed with the Packer boys- same as NCBA......

That is what makes hearing the positive and progressive voices of the Cams, Rkaisers, and groups like BIG C sound like a breath of fresh air-- rather than all the others old status quo of going back to riding on the US cattlemans shirttails......

I havent heard the positive progressive voices of the cams/kaisers and big c where are they at on packer laws ?
good luck

Maybe kaiser will answer for himself-- but I think I remember seeing him on Agriville saying they in Canada need to do the same thing with breaking the Packer hold on the cattlemen- supporting M-COOL and packer bans on ownership...

Its just like down here- the leadership of the ABP/CCA are tied at the hip with the AMI/Packers just like the NCBA leadership-- and none of those are representing the true feelings of the majority of the cattlemen....

Well what ties them at the hip are folks like big dummie from big beaver,so narrow minded his ears rub together.
Packers dont need to own livestock no more than two weeks.
 
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Anonymous

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HAY MAKER said:
Oldtimer said:
HAY MAKER said:
I havent heard the positive progressive voices of the cams/kaisers and big c where are they at on packer laws ?
good luck

Maybe kaiser will answer for himself-- but I think I remember seeing him on Agriville saying they in Canada need to do the same thing with breaking the Packer hold on the cattlemen- supporting M-COOL and packer bans on ownership...

Its just like down here- the leadership of the ABP/CCA are tied at the hip with the AMI/Packers just like the NCBA leadership-- and none of those are representing the true feelings of the majority of the cattlemen....

Well what ties them at the hip are folks like big dummie from big beaver,so narrow minded his ears rub together.
Packers dont need to own livestock no more than two weeks.

Yep--We need some change....
 

Big Muddy rancher

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HAY MAKER said:
Why the Canadian cattle man is so intent on partnering with packers,I admitt I dont know anything about packer partnering,had limited experience with it once,me and my brother had some pretty good black cattle finished about the time someone started a "show list rumor"we wound up with a little money for alot of work,he stuck with it and I went back to what I know best ,backgrounding steers to about 8 weight,I always thought by the time you haul em hedge em and finish em,the differnce in money was nil ?
good luck

PS This captive supply has got to stop,we are pushing the captive supply reform law...........what are you canucks pushing ?I think I will go over to agriville and ask those packer partnering canucks......give ole kaiser a chance to make a snide remark or two,gets pretty feisty over at agriville,guess he considers it home turff :D



Why is the US cattleman so intent on partnering with Packers?

May be you could answer your own question.
 

HAY MAKER

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I guess I just dont get it,how could the majority of cattle men not be for the Captive supply reform act.............free enterprise at its finest,let the markets work.
some of these folks claim to believe in open markets, they seem to forget that consolidation in many industries including the cattle industry works against competition. Without competition, the notion of a free market is meaningless.
good luck
 

HAY MAKER

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Big Muddy rancher said:
HAY MAKER said:
Why the Canadian cattle man is so intent on partnering with packers,I admitt I dont know anything about packer partnering,had limited experience with it once,me and my brother had some pretty good black cattle finished about the time someone started a "show list rumor"we wound up with a little money for alot of work,he stuck with it and I went back to what I know best ,backgrounding steers to about 8 weight,I always thought by the time you haul em hedge em and finish em,the differnce in money was nil ?
good luck

PS This captive supply has got to stop,we are pushing the captive supply reform law...........what are you canucks pushing ?I think I will go over to agriville and ask those packer partnering canucks......give ole kaiser a chance to make a snide remark or two,gets pretty feisty over at agriville,guess he considers it home turff :D



Why is the US cattleman so intent on partnering with Packers?

May be you could answer your own question.

The US cattle man is pushing for change,we call it the captive supply reform act,trying to get it included in the new farm bill.
Now answer the question .......what are you doing about the proven problem of canadian captive supply ?
I am personally contributing to more than one cattle industry association that assures me, the passage of the captive supply reform act is high on their priority list.
good luck
 

Ben Roberts

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HAY MAKER said:
Now answer the question .......what are you doing about the proven problem of canadian captive supply ?
good luck[/quote]


HAY MAKER, who told you, that there was a Canadian captive supply problem, proven by who?

Best Regards
Ben Roberts
 

HAY MAKER

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Ben Roberts said:
HAY MAKER said:
Now answer the question .......what are you doing about the proven problem of canadian captive supply ?
good luck


HAY MAKER, who told you, that there was a Canadian captive supply problem, proven by who?

Best Regards
Ben Roberts[/quote]

Are you so naive as to imply there is not a proven captive supply problem ?
I know you are a self proclaimed expert but really Ben..........you're smarter than that ?
good luck
 

Big Muddy rancher

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Haymaker you told us yourself that Canada's herd is only equal to the size of the Texas herd. and we only send a portion of those cattle south. How does our small numbers which for sure aren't all packer owned mess with your markets?
 

Sandhusker

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Big Muddy rancher said:
Haymaker you told us yourself that Canada's herd is only equal to the size of the Texas herd. and we only send a portion of those cattle south. How does our small numbers which for sure aren't all packer owned mess with your markets?

It isn't volume as much as it is timing.
 

Ben Roberts

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HAY MAKER said:
Ben Roberts said:
HAY MAKER said:
Now answer the question .......what are you doing about the proven problem of canadian captive supply ?
good luck


HAY MAKER, who told you, that there was a Canadian captive supply problem, proven by who?

Best Regards
Ben Roberts

Are you so naive as to imply there is not a proven captive supply problem ?
I know you are a self proclaimed expert but really Ben..........you're smarter than that ?
good luck[/quote]


HAY MAKER, i'm not as naive as most about the captive supply problem, in your post in the future could you please address the captive supply issue as US or Canadian, totality two different issues. Speaking of the Canadian captive supply, how did you, come to the conclusion, that it was a proven captive supply, or did you hear that comment from someone else.

As far as me being a self proclamed expert. Actually I get very humbled, by those that have called me an expert, because of my knowledge in the cattle and packing industry. Some that you follow, have even called me an expert.


Best Regards
Ben Roberts
 

HAY MAKER

Well-known member
Ben Roberts said:
HAY MAKER said:
Ben Roberts said:
Now answer the question .......what are you doing about the proven problem of canadian captive supply ?
good luck


HAY MAKER, who told you, that there was a Canadian captive supply problem, proven by who?

Best Regards
Ben Roberts

Are you so naive as to imply there is not a proven captive supply problem ?
I know you are a self proclaimed expert but really Ben..........you're smarter than that ?
good luck


HAY MAKER, i'm not as naive as most about the captive supply problem, in your post in the future could you please address the
captive supply issue as US or Canadian, totality two different issues.
Speaking of the Canadian captive supply, how did you, come to the conclusion, that it was a proven captive supply, or did you hear that comment from someone else.

As far as me being a self proclamed expert. Actually I get very humbled, by those that have called me an expert, because of my knowledge in the cattle and packing industry. Some that you follow, have even called me an expert.


Best Regards
Ben Roberts[/quote]

Well maybe you as an expert would like to explain the differnce to an uneducated hick ? careful Ben................good luck

PS Please dont ask questions like how I come to the conclusion that there is a proven canadian captive supply problem,waste of time.
 
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