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Can the liberals defend this?

Big Muddy rancher

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Tuesday, June 30, 2009

Honduras [Andy McCarthy]

IBD has a great editorial, and Pete Wehner makes characteristically keen observations about Obama's selective meddling at Contentions.

I have a couple of questions. Now that the president has decided it's okay to meddle in Honduras (where they are fighting to keep preserve their democracy against the Chávez-style thug who Obama wants to re-install) but not Iran (where thousands of Iranians who seek democracy are being killed, maimed and jailed by a regime which has been at war with the United States for 30 years), the president's tack is to say that Honduras's action in removing Zelaya is "not legal."

What on earth makes Obama think he knows better about what is legal under the law of Honduras than the Supreme Court of Honduras and the law-writing legislature of Honduras? The Honduran military acted after Zelaya defied an order by that nation's highest court which pronounced his coup attempt illegal; he has been replaced under a Honduran legal process by that nation's Congress, which essentially impeached him and democratically voted in a successor. That sounds pretty legal to me. I am the first to admit I am not an expert in Honduran law, but I'd bet the Honduran Supreme Court has a better grasp on it than President Obama. On the issue of what is legal in Honduras, as between Hugo Chávez and the Honduran Supreme Court, our president has decided to go with Chávez.

Secondly, as IBD notes, the Obama administration is now "threatening to halt its $200 million in U.S. aid, immigration accords and a free-trade treaty if it doesn't put the criminal Zelaya back into office." Can someone explain to me how it is that Obama is willingly giving $900M to Hamastan (i.e., the jihadist-controlled Gaza strip) but would pull back a comparative pittance of aid in order to penalize a poor country in our own hemisphere for trying to preserve its democracy against a would-be left-wing dictator?
 

TexasBred

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This was no coup....it was a very well planned and carried out mission to remove a man from office who was violating the very constitution that governed the land. I've heard there was not a shot fired. Only precision action. The next in line was immediately sworn into office and elections will be held this fall as always.

But our president sides with all the marxist leaders on the left yet condemns Israel, who has always been our ally, when they build houses on their own land.
 

Lonecowboy

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The U.N. General Assembly's decision to condemn the military coup in Honduras and demand the return to power of President Manuel Zelaya has created a rare incidence of near universal support for a man who has defied his nation's constitution and Congress.

But while Zelaya wins widespread support, including from President Obama as well as Venezuela's Hugo Chavez, critics in the United States are asking why the U.S. leader doesn't take a stand against clearly illegal actions by Honduras' ousted chief executive.

"Manuel Zelaya trampled the Honduran constitution by pushing for his illegal referendum to allow him to rule indefinitely, and by firing the top military official, Gen. Romeo Vasquez Velasquez, when he refused to comply with Zelaya's unconstitutional orders," said Rep. Connie Mack, R-Fla.

Zelaya, the ousted leftist leader, ignored a ruling from the Honduran Supreme Court, warnings from the military and opposition by a sizable swath of his country's population when he maneuvered to amend his country's constitution, apparently in hopes of extending his own rule





I wonder if this is what's in store for America??
 

backhoeboogie

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Oh well. I am going to bed. Maybe something in here tomorrow and maybe it won't be twisted into a subject about cheesecake or something else.
 

Sandhusker

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Big Muddy rancher said:
Sandhusker said:
backhoeboogie said:
Oh well. I am going to bed. Maybe something in here tomorrow and maybe it won't be twisted into a subject about cheesecake or something else.

mmmmmm.....cheesecake....

Does that go with BEER? :lol:

Sorry to take this off on a tangent, backhoe....

Actually, I made a discovery last night; Swiss cheese and crackers go GREAT with bourbon. Next time Tam goes to town, have her get you some swiss cheese and Old Grand Dad.
 

hypocritexposer

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I doubt the Dems can defend this.

This was a quiet/peaceful revolution. The people, with the military support, threw out a President that was trying to over ride the constitution and the rule of law.

However, like so many apparent megalomaniacs, Zelaya greatly overestimated his popularity. The groundswell of citizen support he had counted on didn't materialize; thus, his law breaking could not be sanitized by consensus making. The military then arrested him, acting under orders from legitimate civilian authorities and in defense of the rule of law. The good guys won . . . at least for now.

Obama has sided with a thug, a man who -- for completely self-serving reasons -- sought to subvert his nation's constitution. Obama has sided with a man who -- like Pancho Villa on a cross-border raid -- lead a mob in an effort to execute this illegal scheme. And Obama does this while paying lip service to democracy, even as he imperils it; he claims to stand for freedom, even while supporting those who would extinguish it. It is un-American. It is ugly. It is, in a word, evil.

Zelaya has certain tactics. Obama has certain tactics.


And they are largely the same.


In fact, they are shared by virtually all leftists.


Ignoring the rule of law, manipulating the Constitution, acting as if the end justifies the means . . . . Sound familiar? This is standard left doctrine
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/07/the_ugly_face_of_liberalism.html


It's quite obvious why the UN, Chavez and Obama are upset by the power the people decided to exert.

"We the people", are not supposed to have the power. You won't see Obama stand up for "the people" in Iran or Honduras. He will continue to be on the side of big government and control in the hands of a few.

review "Obama, the African Colonial"

a complete power grab whereby the "will of the people" becomes completely irrelevant
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http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=36266
 

Lonecowboy

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Micheletti vowed Zelaya would be arrested if he returns, even though the presidents of Argentina and Ecuador have signed on to accompany him along with the heads of the Organization of American States and the U.N. General Assembly.

Zelaya "has already committed crimes against the constitution and the law," said Micheletti, a member of Zelaya's Liberal Party who was named interim leader by Congress following the coup. "He can no longer return to the presidency of the republic unless a president from another Latin American country comes and imposes him using guns."

Soldiers stormed Zelaya's residence and flew him into exile early Sunday after he insisted on trying to hold a referendum asking Hondurans if they wanted to reform the constitution. The Supreme Court, Congress and the military all deemed his planned ballot illegal.

Zelaya, who is an ally of leftist Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, backed down from the referendum Tuesday, saying at the United Nations that he would no longer push for the constitutional changes he wanted.

One of several clauses that cannot be legally altered in the Honduran constitution limits presidents to a single, 4-year term. Congress claims Zelaya, whose term ends in January, modified the ballot question at the last minute to help him eventually try to seek re-election. Chavez has used referendums in Venezuela to win the right to run repeatedly.
 

RobertMac

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If Venezuela and Cuba send troops to install Zelaya, what will Obama do???? :roll:


BMR, if you're redneck enough, anything goes with beer!!!! :wink: :lol:
 

Sandhusker

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RobertMac said:
If Venezuela and Cuba send troops to install Zelaya, what will Obama do???? :roll:


BMR, if you're redneck enough, anything goes with beer!!!! :wink: :lol:

Probably give Chavez another ghetto shake. He sure as heck won't do anything to stop it - and Chavez and Castro know it.


Still no liberal posts.
 

TexasBred

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Lonecowboy said:
The U.N. General Assembly's decision to condemn the military coup in Honduras and demand the return to power of President Manuel Zelaya has created a rare incidence of near universal support for a man who has defied his nation's constitution and Congress.

But while Zelaya wins widespread support, including from President Obama as well as Venezuela's Hugo Chavez, critics in the United States are asking why the U.S. leader doesn't take a stand against clearly illegal actions by Honduras' ousted chief executive.

"Manuel Zelaya trampled the Honduran constitution by pushing for his illegal referendum to allow him to rule indefinitely, and by firing the top military official, Gen. Romeo Vasquez Velasquez, when he refused to comply with Zelaya's unconstitutional orders," said Rep. Connie Mack, R-Fla.

Zelaya, the ousted leftist leader, ignored a ruling from the Honduran Supreme Court, warnings from the military and opposition by a sizable swath of his country's population when he maneuvered to amend his country's constitution, apparently in hopes of extending his own rule





I wonder if this is what's in store for America??

Barrako is a bit smarter...he plans to load up the supreme court before he tries anything. Perhaps he'll try to do like FDR and just increase the number of justices to 11....two new hand picks, then go for the slam dunk. The "African Colonel Barracko".
 

RobertMac

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Sandhusker said:
RobertMac said:
If Venezuela and Cuba send troops to install Zelaya, what will Obama do???? :roll:


BMR, if you're redneck enough, anything goes with beer!!!! :wink: :lol:

Probably give Chavez another ghetto shake. He sure as heck won't do anything to stop it - and Chavez and Castro know it.


Still no liberal posts.
I think it is incredibly telling that no libs have posted on this thread...maybe they are getting their first real look at who they voted for and what he really stands for!
 

RobertMac

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TexasBred said:
Lonecowboy said:
The U.N. General Assembly's decision to condemn the military coup in Honduras and demand the return to power of President Manuel Zelaya has created a rare incidence of near universal support for a man who has defied his nation's constitution and Congress.

But while Zelaya wins widespread support, including from President Obama as well as Venezuela's Hugo Chavez, critics in the United States are asking why the U.S. leader doesn't take a stand against clearly illegal actions by Honduras' ousted chief executive.

"Manuel Zelaya trampled the Honduran constitution by pushing for his illegal referendum to allow him to rule indefinitely, and by firing the top military official, Gen. Romeo Vasquez Velasquez, when he refused to comply with Zelaya's unconstitutional orders," said Rep. Connie Mack, R-Fla.

Zelaya, the ousted leftist leader, ignored a ruling from the Honduran Supreme Court, warnings from the military and opposition by a sizable swath of his country's population when he maneuvered to amend his country's constitution, apparently in hopes of extending his own rule





I wonder if this is what's in store for America??

Barrako is a bit smarter...he plans to load up the supreme court before he tries anything. Perhaps he'll try to do like FDR and just increase the number of justices to 11....two new hand picks, then go for the slam dunk. The "African Colonel Barracko".
Actually I think there has already been a bill introduced in the House to do away with the 22nd amendment.
 

Sandhusker

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RobertMac said:
Sandhusker said:
RobertMac said:
If Venezuela and Cuba send troops to install Zelaya, what will Obama do???? :roll:


BMR, if you're redneck enough, anything goes with beer!!!! :wink: :lol:

Probably give Chavez another ghetto shake. He sure as heck won't do anything to stop it - and Chavez and Castro know it.


Still no liberal posts.
I think it is incredibly telling that no libs have posted on this thread...maybe they are getting their first real look at who they voted for and what he really stands for!

There's been plenty of opportunites for them to see what he stands for, they just refuse to look. Obamicans....
 
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RobertMac said:
TexasBred said:
Lonecowboy said:
The U.N. General Assembly's decision to condemn the military coup in Honduras and demand the return to power of President Manuel Zelaya has created a rare incidence of near universal support for a man who has defied his nation's constitution and Congress.

But while Zelaya wins widespread support, including from President Obama as well as Venezuela's Hugo Chavez, critics in the United States are asking why the U.S. leader doesn't take a stand against clearly illegal actions by Honduras' ousted chief executive.

"Manuel Zelaya trampled the Honduran constitution by pushing for his illegal referendum to allow him to rule indefinitely, and by firing the top military official, Gen. Romeo Vasquez Velasquez, when he refused to comply with Zelaya's unconstitutional orders," said Rep. Connie Mack, R-Fla.

Zelaya, the ousted leftist leader, ignored a ruling from the Honduran Supreme Court, warnings from the military and opposition by a sizable swath of his country's population when he maneuvered to amend his country's constitution, apparently in hopes of extending his own rule





I wonder if this is what's in store for America??

Barrako is a bit smarter...he plans to load up the supreme court before he tries anything. Perhaps he'll try to do like FDR and just increase the number of justices to 11....two new hand picks, then go for the slam dunk. The "African Colonel Barracko".
Actually I think there has already been a bill introduced in the House to do away with the 22nd amendment.

Yep- and the rightwingernut fearmongers like Rush are shouting from the rooftops-and the rightwingernuts are burning out the scarey e-mails and blaming it all on Obama- so their loyal crazies have another reason to pee down their legs...BUT not telling folks that someone has introduced a similar bill in every session of Congress for the past 6 Congress's- and none have went anywhere....

From OpenCongress http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-hj5/show

H.J.Res.5 Add to


Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the twenty-second article of amendment, thereby removing the limitation on the number of terms an individual may serve as President.
Current 111st session of congress

OpenCongress Summary:
H.J.Res. 5 is a Constitutional amendment to remove the limit on the number of terms one may serve as President. It effectively would repeal the 22nd Amendment, which was approved by Congress in 1947 and ratified by the states in 1951. Over the past six congressional sessions, several members of Congress have introduced similar legislation, including Sen. Harry Reid in 1989 ( S.J.Res. 36). As is likely the case in the 111th Congress, the resolutions have never proceeded out of committee. Furthermore, given its past history, it is not likely that such resolutions have been or are currently tied to any specific presidential session.
 
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