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Soapweed

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Dylan Biggs said:
Aplus wrote, "You are one of those people that will just sell out to anyone you can as long as you get something out of it".

When it comes to selling out, for the life of me I can't figure out why American legislators have done virtually nothing the last 15 years to prevent the destruction of the American manufacturing industry. Outsourcing has gutted your country and nobody in power seems to care. All these tried and true american brands from LL Bean to Red Wing shoes to Carrhart to Rubbermaid and on and on the list goes, are now all made in China. You have to look very hard up here anyway to find an American brand that isn't made in China or else where offshore. Someone sold out the U.S. manufacturing sector and did a great job of it.:???:

The Democrats have taxed the American manufacturers out of this country. Other factors are American unions pricing themselves out of business, and prohibitive environmental standards imposed by the Liberal "greenies." It is no wonder that businesses have had to move overseas just to survive.
 

Big Muddy rancher

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Soapweed said:
Dylan Biggs said:
Aplus wrote, "You are one of those people that will just sell out to anyone you can as long as you get something out of it".

When it comes to selling out, for the life of me I can't figure out why American legislators have done virtually nothing the last 15 years to prevent the destruction of the American manufacturing industry. Outsourcing has gutted your country and nobody in power seems to care. All these tried and true american brands from LL Bean to Red Wing shoes to Carrhart to Rubbermaid and on and on the list goes, are now all made in China. You have to look very hard up here anyway to find an American brand that isn't made in China or else where offshore. Someone sold out the U.S. manufacturing sector and did a great job of it.:???:

The Democrats have taxed the American manufacturers out of this country. Other factors are American unions pricing themselves out of business, and prohibitive environmental standards imposed by the Liberal "greenies." It is no wonder that businesses have had to move overseas just to survive.


We had the same thing happen to our beef packers. The unions drove them south.
 

kolanuraven

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Soapweed said:
Dylan Biggs said:
Aplus wrote, "You are one of those people that will just sell out to anyone you can as long as you get something out of it".

When it comes to selling out, for the life of me I can't figure out why American legislators have done virtually nothing the last 15 years to prevent the destruction of the American manufacturing industry. Outsourcing has gutted your country and nobody in power seems to care. All these tried and true american brands from LL Bean to Red Wing shoes to Carrhart to Rubbermaid and on and on the list goes, are now all made in China. You have to look very hard up here anyway to find an American brand that isn't made in China or else where offshore. Someone sold out the U.S. manufacturing sector and did a great job of it.:???:

The Democrats have taxed the American manufacturers out of this country. Other factors are American unions pricing themselves out of business, and prohibitive environmental standards imposed by the Liberal "greenies." It is no wonder that businesses have had to move overseas just to survive.



The Democrats have taxed the American manufacturers out of this country.


Ok....I bet you can link the 2 cows that died on afterbirth to the Democrats!!!


What have the Rep's done this last 8 yrs to bring the jobs back? I mean REAL jobs....not jobs at McDonalds, etc.
 

Mrs.Greg

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Big Muddy rancher said:
Soapweed said:
Dylan Biggs said:
Aplus wrote, "You are one of those people that will just sell out to anyone you can as long as you get something out of it".

When it comes to selling out, for the life of me I can't figure out why American legislators have done virtually nothing the last 15 years to prevent the destruction of the American manufacturing industry. Outsourcing has gutted your country and nobody in power seems to care. All these tried and true american brands from LL Bean to Red Wing shoes to Carrhart to Rubbermaid and on and on the list goes, are now all made in China. You have to look very hard up here anyway to find an American brand that isn't made in China or else where offshore. Someone sold out the U.S. manufacturing sector and did a great job of it.:???:

The Democrats have taxed the American manufacturers out of this country. Other factors are American unions pricing themselves out of business, and prohibitive environmental standards imposed by the Liberal "greenies." It is no wonder that businesses have had to move overseas just to survive.


We had the same thing happen to our beef packers. The unions drove them south.
BMR.....the beef packers were paying **** wages under very bad working conditions. Unions aren't always a bad thing,they were started in the first place because companies were taking total advatage of workers and were abusing the workforce they had.
 

Sandhusker

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kolanuraven said:
Soapweed said:
Dylan Biggs said:
Aplus wrote, "You are one of those people that will just sell out to anyone you can as long as you get something out of it".

When it comes to selling out, for the life of me I can't figure out why American legislators have done virtually nothing the last 15 years to prevent the destruction of the American manufacturing industry. Outsourcing has gutted your country and nobody in power seems to care. All these tried and true american brands from LL Bean to Red Wing shoes to Carrhart to Rubbermaid and on and on the list goes, are now all made in China. You have to look very hard up here anyway to find an American brand that isn't made in China or else where offshore. Someone sold out the U.S. manufacturing sector and did a great job of it.:???:

The Democrats have taxed the American manufacturers out of this country. Other factors are American unions pricing themselves out of business, and prohibitive environmental standards imposed by the Liberal "greenies." It is no wonder that businesses have had to move overseas just to survive.



The Democrats have taxed the American manufacturers out of this country.


Ok....I bet you can link the 2 cows that died on afterbirth to the Democrats!!!


What have the Rep's done this last 8 yrs to bring the jobs back? I mean REAL jobs....not jobs at McDonalds, etc.

Oh Heaven help me, I'm agreeing with Kolo! ( Just on what the Reps. have done to bring jobs back.) They didn't do a dang thing when they had majority in Washington - we kept losing manufacturing jobs. Their mantra was that it was no big deal, that we were in a "service" economy now. We're now shipping service jobs over to India, I wonder what economy we'll be next - according to Warren Buffet, we'll be the "have nots" economy.
 

Big Muddy rancher

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Mrs.Greg said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
Soapweed said:
The Democrats have taxed the American manufacturers out of this country. Other factors are American unions pricing themselves out of business, and prohibitive environmental standards imposed by the Liberal "greenies." It is no wonder that businesses have had to move overseas just to survive.


We had the same thing happen to our beef packers. The unions drove them south.
BMR.....the beef packers were paying s*** wages under very bad working conditions. Unions aren't always a bad thing,they were started in the first place because companies were taking total advatage of workers and were abusing the workforce they had.


The beef packer were paying more in Canada then in the USA. The collective agreements in Canada were higher draging the US upwards. When it became cheaper to send cattle south they went and the jobs with them.
 

Texan

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Mrs.Greg said:
Unions aren't always a bad thing,they were started in the first place because companies were taking total advatage of workers and were abusing the workforce they had.
That's true, Mrs.Greg. At one time, the unions did a good thing. But those days are long gone. Now they extort money from the working man and funnel it to the liberal politicians that suck up to them. They use extortion practices like strikes and slowdowns to strongarm concessions out of businesses to keep their power and to keep workers on their knees.

I can't speak for how it is in the socialist countries, but in this country, unions are an impediment to business and a drain on worker's wages. All funneled to a greedy few at the top of the union hierarchy and to the liberal Democrats. You can have all the unions as far as I'm concerned. Take them along with the draft-dodgers and the same-sexers.
 

Sandhusker

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I used to be anti-union too, until I worked for 10 years in a union shop. It's isn't a perfect deal, because there is too much of this "Treat everybody equal" crap - and not everybody works equal so I didn't think they deserved to be treated equal. However, the average wage then was something like $12/hour and we were all getting all the overtime we could take - and the companies records showed that labor was still only 12% of the cost of the product.

Because of the wages and benefits that we had, we were all paying taxes and nobody was getting food stamps, free school lunches, leaving medical bills to others to pay, etc..... I'm pretty sure that without the union, we would of been tax receivers instead of tax payers.
 
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Dylan Biggs said:
We have to face the fact that either all of us are going to die together or we are going to learn to live together and if we are to live together we have to talk.
-- Eleanor Roosevelt

Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen.
-- Winston Churchill

"Never,never,never,believe any war will be smooth and easy, or that anyone who embarks on the strange voyage can measure the tides and hurricanes he will encounter. The statesman who yields to war fever must realize that once the signal is given, he is no longer the master of policy but the slave of unforeseeable and uncontrollable events.
--Winston Churchill'''

To jaw-jaw is always better than to war-war.
Winston Churchill

You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they've tried everything else.
Winston Churchill
 

Mrs.Greg

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Texan said:
Mrs.Greg said:
Unions aren't always a bad thing,they were started in the first place because companies were taking total advatage of workers and were abusing the workforce they had.
That's true, Mrs.Greg. At one time, the unions did a good thing. But those days are long gone. Now they extort money from the working man and funnel it to the liberal politicians that suck up to them. They use extortion practices like strikes and slowdowns to strongarm concessions out of businesses to keep their power and to keep workers on their knees.

I can't speak for how it is in the socialist countries, but in this country, unions are an impediment to business and a drain on worker's wages. All funneled to a greedy few at the top of the union hierarchy and to the liberal Democrats. You can have all the unions as far as I'm concerned. Take them along with the draft-dodgers and the same-sexers.
If you think I totally support unions you'd be VERY WRONG but I do think there still is a need for unions in some workplaces,trust me I'm still seeing abuse in work enviroments that unions can curb. Its not all about money as a matter of fact it usually isn't, its about worker rights.But then I'm talking from a Democratic country not a socialist one :?
 

Texan

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Mrs.Greg said:
Its not all about money as a matter of fact it usually isn't, its about worker rights.But then I'm talking from a Democratic country not a socialist one :?
If it's not about money, why do they collect union dues? Why do they force workers to belong to unions? Why do they make huge political contributions?

And if it's just about worker rights, why are so many of the extortionist tactics like strikes and slowdowns aimed at increasing wages?

If these guys were making four dollars an hour, I could understand it. But there's something extremely disgusting to me about a union prick demanding a raise when he already draws thirty bucks an hour to build a piece of sht car.

I don't intend to argue with you, Mrs.Albertahardhead. You just take my word for it and be a good girl and go on about your business. :wink:
 

CattleArmy

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Texan said:
Mrs.Greg said:
Its not all about money as a matter of fact it usually isn't, its about worker rights.But then I'm talking from a Democratic country not a socialist one :?
If it's not about money, why do they collect union dues? Why do they force workers to belong to unions? Why do they make huge political contributions?

And if it's just about worker rights, why are so many of the extortionist tactics like strikes and slowdowns aimed at increasing wages?

If these guys were making four dollars an hour, I could understand it. But there's something extremely disgusting to me about a union prick demanding a raise when he already draws thirty bucks an hour to build a piece of sht car.

I don't intend to argue with you, Mrs.Albertahardhead. You just take my word for it and be a good girl and go on about your business. :wink:


Mrs. Greg don't let Twisted Texan bother ya we all know he has a twisted situation that is contolling his moods lately. :p
 

Mrs.Greg

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Texan said:
Mrs.Greg said:
Its not all about money as a matter of fact it usually isn't, its about worker rights.But then I'm talking from a Democratic country not a socialist one :?
If it's not about money, why do they collect union dues? Why do they force workers to belong to unions? Why do they make huge political contributions?

And if it's just about worker rights, why are so many of the extortionist tactics like strikes and slowdowns aimed at increasing wages?

If these guys were making four dollars an hour, I could understand it. But there's something extremely disgusting to me about a union prick demanding a raise when he already draws thirty bucks an hour to build a piece of sht car.

I don't intend to argue with you, Mrs.Albertahardhead. You just take my word for it and be a good girl and go on about your business. :wink:
Texan....my dad worked 37 yrs for a union that literally stole his pension,by the time it all blew up my sisters and I were grieving the lose of our daddy and didn't have the fortitude to fight along with all the other families. In the end Jail terms and job loses were the result.So trying to get me to fight with you or agree with you is truly a lost cause...I don't LOVE unions.

That being said,I'm not a packer backer either,the packers aided to thier own demise by the treatment and working conditions they put thier workers through.I don't like any huge company that uses and abuses slave labor to make thier millions. Unions in theory and when ran properly are a very good back to have.Work abuse is alive and well and as long as it is unions will flurish.
 

Frankk

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Texan said:
Mrs.Greg said:
Its not all about money as a matter of fact it usually isn't, its about worker rights.But then I'm talking from a Democratic country not a socialist one :?
If it's not about money, why do they collect union dues? Why do they force workers to belong to unions? Why do they make huge political contributions?

And if it's just about worker rights, why are so many of the extortionist tactics like strikes and slowdowns aimed at increasing wages?

If these guys were making four dollars an hour, I could understand it. But there's something extremely disgusting to me about a union prick demanding a raise when he already draws thirty bucks an hour to build a piece of sht car.

They collect dues because if you are to reap the benefits of the union you need to belong to it

They make those political contibutions for the same reason the companies do, to get an advandage

Along with those strikes and slowdowns there is higher quoutas and unsafe working conditions for the workers

Those union pricks put those cars together with parts provided by the company

This communtiy was once a commpany town and provided jobs for most everone, they would even work your ten year old son ten hours a day and pay you barely enough to eat on. They even had a company store where you could spend your company money. They raped the enviorment and left town. I own the skeleton they left behind, people want to romantize it now but it wan't very romantic for those poor folk that had to work there.



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nonothing

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Unions are the reason people make more money....for instance no manager is paid lower then a union worker.....non union workers are paid better and in some cases given benifits because of unions and the standards they set......

What bothers me about the whole union thing is this,the union gets called greedy,yet, the company signed the same contract as the membership signed..Why is it never bad management that gets the blame for crumbling companies?....

People that complain about union dues should stop the belly aching .For those limited dues members pay each month they recieve medical coverage,dental insurance,life insurance,job protection and a pension plan, all of which you rarely get in a non union labour intensive enviorment
 

Soapweed

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My sister was a teacher until she died of ovarian cancer in 1993, at the age of 38. She was a good conservative thinker, but as a teacher, she was almost "required" to belong to the NEA (National Education Association). She needed the liability insurance and other benefits that were provided by the NEA, but a part of her dues always went to support the Democrat candidates running for President, even though she personally voted for the Republican candidates. To me, that doesn't seem right. I'll bet, if the truth were known, there are a lot of potentially very good teachers that don't follow teaching as a career for this very reason.
 

Sandhusker

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Soapweed said:
My sister was a teacher until she died of ovarian cancer in 1993, at the age of 38. She was a good conservative thinker, but as a teacher, she was almost "required" to belong to the NEA (National Education Association). She needed the liability insurance and other benefits that were provided by the NEA, but a part of her dues always went to support the Democrat candidates running for President, even though she personally voted for the Republican candidates. To me, that doesn't seem right. I'll bet, if the truth were known, there are a lot of potentially very good teachers that don't follow teaching as a career for this very reason.

You're not going to ever get away from your money indirectly going to candidates that you don't like, Soap. NCBA pac money has gone to Democrats. Candidates you don't support also get your money via insurance companies that you do business with, gas companies, drug companies, etc...
 

TSR

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Sandhusker said:
I used to be anti-union too, until I worked for 10 years in a union shop. It's isn't a perfect deal, because there is too much of this "Treat everybody equal" crap - and not everybody works equal so I didn't think they deserved to be treated equal. However, the average wage then was something like $12/hour and we were all getting all the overtime we could take - and the companies records showed that labor was still only 12% of the cost of the product.

Because of the wages and benefits that we had, we were all paying taxes and nobody was getting food stamps, free school lunches, leaving medical bills to others to pay, etc..... I'm pretty sure that without the union, we would of been tax receivers instead of tax payers.

Great observation there SH, I agree completely. I wonder how many who criticize unions have ever worked in a factory where there was a union and one where there wasn't. No unions aren't perfect but neither are corporations and their administrative staffs.
 

aplusmnt

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TSR said:
Great observation there SH, I agree completely. I wonder how many who criticize unions have ever worked in a factory where there was a union and one where there wasn't. No unions aren't perfect but neither are corporations and their administrative staffs.

My observation of unions has been second hand. But what I have noticed in my area is how many people use to work for union factories that do not now. Because these unions played a large part in putting the company out of business.

I believe unions did good and served a purpose and could still do good if the members kept things in a reality check.

We had a chain of grocery stores in the area years ago, back 20 years ago stock boys were making $10.00 an hour, while the non union stock boys at other stores were making $6.00 an hour. Well the union stores are all gone, over 20 stores. The non union stores are all still here, non went out of business and providing jobs at a fair wage for the training they need.
 

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