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Canada gives financial aid to cattle and hog farmers

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Canada gives aid to cattle and hog farmers



By Roberta Rampton

Reuters Canada

Fri Dec 14, 2007



WINNIPEG, Manitoba (Reuters) - Canadian cattle and hog farmers, struggling with high feed costs and low prices, will have access to a total of C$3.8 billion ($3.73 billion) in loans and aid early in 2008, Agriculture Minister Gerry Ritz said on Friday.



Federal and provincial governments will provide C$2.3 billion in secured loan guarantees to the livestock sector, including C$1 billion in new credit, Ritz told reporters.



Loans will be capped at C$400,000 per producer, and the first C$100,000 will be interest-free, he said.



In addition, governments will accelerate access to C$1.5 billion in support programs, Ritz said.



Ritz said the programs will help livestock farmers weather poor returns brought on by record grain prices, poor meat prices, and the surging Canadian dollar, which has hurt the export value of meat and livestock.



"We've seen these peaks and valleys before; they've struggled through. It's a matter of the government giving them the help at the time," he said.



Ritz said the aid, which will be delivered through existing government programs, would comply with Canada's trade agreements, and he said he discussed them on Thursday with Chuck Conner, the acting U.S. agriculture secretary.



Livestock groups have been lobbying governments for weeks for help to cover mounting losses.



"At first blush, it sounds like the kind of things we've been asking for, and we're very happy that the federal government will step up to the plate," said Hugh Staunton-Lynch, president of the Canadian Cattlemen's Association.



Ritz projected the programs would give a 400-head cow-calf farmer aid payments of C$38,500 and loans of up to C$116,000. A 500-sow hog farmer could receive C$185,500 in aid payments and loans up to C$250,000, he said.



Ritz said governments were not able to comply with a request from hog farmers for C$1.5 billion in unsecured loans.



"There's really no way to do that at any government level. We have little things called treasury boards and auditors general that take a dim view, and of course (unsecured loans) are completely trade-challengeable," Ritz said.



The Canadian Pork Council was slated to meet to discuss the aid announcement on Monday. "We suspect it's just a reannouncement of current programs," said Clare Schlegel, the group's president, adding he hoped the government would reconsider the request for a bigger loans package.



"Our farmers are in real distress here. It's been such a severe situation," Schlegel said.
 

rkaiser

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Yip Oldtimer - I can see my $20,000.00 cheque in the mail right now.

Good old press - they can make it sound like a Christmas present any time of the year. This is nothing Oldtimer - just cash advance loans and advance on the income disaster program that is a friggin joke. Last time they decided to advance these income disaster programs, half the guys that took the bait had to pay it back or are still fighting.

Keep digging Oldfarter. - You might suck a few Rcalf numb skulls in to believing your anti Canada rhetoric and that's about it.
 

Manitoba_Rancher

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Yup i sure agree Randy, lots of guys jumped at that cash advance and got caught off guard when the govt started sending letters asking for the money back. The media can sure blow stuff up to look good cant they. :?
 
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rkaiser said:
Yip Oldtimer - I can see my $20,000.00 cheque in the mail right now.

You mean your not going to give this cheque to Cargil/Tyson/etal :???: Sounds like you're losing your giving spirit..... :wink: :lol:
 

rkaiser

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No Oldtimer, I mean that this cheque is in your dreams , and the guy who wrote the articles dreams. Just another press release to keep Rcalf pumped and the average taxpayer pissed off at the farmer.
 
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rkaiser said:
No Oldtimer, I mean that this cheque is in your dreams , and the guy who wrote the articles dreams. Just another press release to keep Rcalf pumped and the average taxpayer p****d off at the farmer.

Kind of like the US Farm Bill-- where they hide every welfare entitlement/foreign aid known to man- and then make it sound like its the farmer/rancher getting it :???: :( :mad:

I see the other day where the USDA released more billions/trillions (?) dollars worth of funding to build native Americans in rural areas new housing....That means most Indians fall under it...Just read in our local paper where the Blackfeet tribe is trying to get some of this federal gravy train to build all new Indian housing in Browning- because some college group came in (under a federal grant funded study) and found mold in the housing- and some kids think they have asthma from it now....More die from alcohol/drug related incidents and killing each other than ever get asthma.... :shock: :( :mad:
 

QUESTION

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OT what does a cash advance program for canadian ag producers have to do with your racist hatred of native americans ????? The cash advance is a loan unlike the US ag bill where US producers are given money to take marginal land out of production (CPP) then allowed to used it :cry: and don't have to return the money, it must be nice getting paid to do nothing , and get direct Ag ubsidies. The US farmer gets 10 times the ag support from the government that a canadian producer does per capita. SO my question what are you complaining about? Do you not think it fair that a canadian producer only gets 10% the support the american does!!! tell me why you think it should be less or why you think the US should not fall in line and drop subsidies so a free market will drive Ag. produce values instead of your government. I know these are rhetorical questions as OT will never answer them. :roll: he just wants to complain. He has to look and see Canada over the border every day and can't come up here so i guess that could explain why he is so cranky. He can see what heaven looks like but can't get in I would become a cranky old fart too. :lol2: :nod:
 
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So Questionable- you're saying rkaiser is wrong-- that you are going to get a big paycheck from the government :???:

And since you are so knowledgeable- maybe you can explain why funding for Indian housing is hidden away in a US Dept of Agriculture Farm Bill- when there is already a Bureau of Indian Affairs set up under the Dept of Interior that is supposed to handle such situations :???:

Just another way to hide pork spending.....
 

QUESTION

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OT i am not going to go in to more debt by taking a loan from the government. As opposed to your government the just gives money that doesn't have to be repaid. As for why native americans are getting money under the US farm bill do you want me to look up why and where the money is destined then explain how it fits under auspicious of the US farm bill. I'll have to read up. So you can wait until i reply and tell you why and how this fits. Put on your tinfoil hat and hide under your computer desk in the fetal position make sure you are ready for a long wait so putting on a adult diaper might be a good idea unless you already have one on. I will relpy later so maybe you can take a nap while waiting maybe even bring along your blanky :D
 

Sandhusker

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Question, "The cash advance is a loan unlike the US ag bill where US producers are given money to take marginal land out of production (CPP) then allowed to used it and don't have to return the money, it must be nice getting paid to do nothing , and get direct Ag ubsidies.

If you're talking about CRP, you don't get to use it - that's the definition of "taking out of production."

Question, " The US farmer gets 10 times the ag support from the government that a canadian producer does per capita"

The big rice and cotton outfits in the South skew the average per capita. Exclude those two commodities and the recipients and then tell us what you find.
 

QUESTION

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Bla Bla Bla sandH CRP lands were used in certain areas this year what is that called non use. You just want to play somantics get it thru that thick skull everywhere else in the world sees the subsidies the US farmer gets from production subsides to export subsidies. You my call them different names but subsidies are subsidies. Ag. bill spending is more than 10 times what is spent canada per producer and 3 to 5 times what a EU farmer gets. The truth is that the US farmer needs the US government to protect them because they cannot compete on a level playing feild. Kinda reminds me of the great US athletes that confess years later they cheated to win because if every thing was on the up and up they would be beaten like a rented mule. :roll: On the issue of subsidies you do not have a leg to stand on so unless you want to get stomped on i would not go there :wave:
 

Sandhusker

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QUESTION said:
Bla Bla Bla sandH CRP lands were used in certain areas this year what is that called non use. You just want to play somantics get it thru that thick skull everywhere else in the world sees the subsidies the US farmer gets from production subsides to export subsidies. You my call them different names but subsidies are subsidies. Ag. bill spending is more than 10 times what is spent canada per producer and 3 to 5 times what a EU farmer gets. The truth is that the US farmer needs the US government to protect them because they cannot compete on a level playing feild. Kinda reminds me of the great US athletes that confess years later they cheated to win because if every thing was on the up and up they would be beaten like a rented mule. :roll: On the issue of subsidies you do not have a leg to stand on so unless you want to get stomped on i would not go there :wave:

CRP can be used in cases of disasters such as drought, but other than that, if you get caught using them, you're in hot water.

As far as competing on a level playing field, there is no level playing field. That "playing field" consists of land values, taxes, environmental regulations, fuel taxes, insurance costs, etc.... and it is not the same anywhere.
 

Tam

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Sandhusker said:
Question, "The cash advance is a loan unlike the US ag bill where US producers are given money to take marginal land out of production (CPP) then allowed to used it and don't have to return the money, it must be nice getting paid to do nothing , and get direct Ag ubsidies.

If you're talking about CRP, you don't get to use it - that's the definition of "taking out of production."

Question, " The US farmer gets 10 times the ag support from the government that a canadian producer does per capita"

The big rice and cotton outfits in the South skew the average per capita. Exclude those two commodities and the recipients and then tell us what you find.

Sandhusker I think you need to check your facts as that "out of Production" CRP land may not be producing wheat but it sure seems to be producing a lot of hay for the cattle in the US.
 

Sandhusker

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Tam said:
Sandhusker said:
Question, "The cash advance is a loan unlike the US ag bill where US producers are given money to take marginal land out of production (CPP) then allowed to used it and don't have to return the money, it must be nice getting paid to do nothing , and get direct Ag ubsidies.

If you're talking about CRP, you don't get to use it - that's the definition of "taking out of production."

Question, " The US farmer gets 10 times the ag support from the government that a canadian producer does per capita"

The big rice and cotton outfits in the South skew the average per capita. Exclude those two commodities and the recipients and then tell us what you find.

Sandhusker I think you need to check your facts as that "out of Production" CRP land may not be producing wheat but it sure seems to be producing a lot of hay for the cattle in the US.

Says who?
 

QUESTION

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SandH you just said that CRP land can and is be used for livestock feed production. As far as being in hot water, what are the comsequences ? you are dropped from the program< you don't have to repay monies.
Well, as long as massive subsidies are supplied by certain countries to their producers like in the US there will never be a level playing field in the production of food. Way to go - devalue food with subsidies then complain producers aren't being paid enough it is a viscious cycle maybe one day someone will actually figure this out :roll:
 

Sandhusker

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QUESTION said:
SandH you just said that CRP land can and is be used for livestock feed production. As far as being in hot water, what are the comsequences ? you are dropped from the program< you don't have to repay monies.
Well, as long as massive subsidies are supplied by certain countries to their producers like in the US there will never be a level playing field in the production of food. Way to go - devalue food with subsidies then complain producers aren't being paid enough it is a viscious cycle maybe one day someone will actually figure this out :roll:

Let me say again, CRP can only be used in special situations. It hardly ever happens.
 

fedup2

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First of all, to qualify for crp, it has to be marginal land as in highly erodable.(sp) The government then rents this land from you for conservation, etc. If your county is declared a disaster area, then you or another producer can cut a % of this grass for hay. You will get a reduction in your payment. Only those in that disaster county are allowed to use this hay.
As far as the statement “you are just dropped from the program”, nothing could be further from the truth. If you are caught breaking the contract, you can be forced to pay back every cent that you ever received over the years that you were enrolled plus a fine! In many cases that means you have just lost your farm! Not very many people are willing to risk that for low grade CRP hay! :roll:
 

HAY MAKER

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Tam said:
Sandhusker said:
Question, "The cash advance is a loan unlike the US ag bill where US producers are given money to take marginal land out of production (CPP) then allowed to used it and don't have to return the money, it must be nice getting paid to do nothing , and get direct Ag ubsidies.

If you're talking about CRP, you don't get to use it - that's the definition of "taking out of production."

Question, " The US farmer gets 10 times the ag support from the government that a canadian producer does per capita"

The big rice and cotton outfits in the South skew the average per capita. Exclude those two commodities and the recipients and then tell us what you find.

Sandhusker I think you need to check your facts as that "out of Production" CRP land may not be producing wheat but it sure seems to be producing a lot of hay for the cattle in the US.

I think you need to check your facts Missy.........I aint ever put land in the CRP program,but know a few who have,cattle prices were flat fences were poor,so it seemed to make sense.........problem is I think the sign up periods are 15 and 20 years,we are now experiencing fair cattle prices but some of the folks that signed a CRP contract caint use their land for hay or cattle...........heard there was a special provision for areas declared a emergency due to the drought ................good luck
 

Mike

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Sandhusker I think you need to check your facts as that "out of Production" CRP land may not be producing wheat but it sure seems to be producing a lot of hay for the cattle in the US.

Only during times of disasters and it is usually poor quality hay.

Even during the 3 year drought we are going through now, there is very little CRP land that is suitable for haying. Most of the CRP land here is planted in pines.

What's your point?
 

Big Muddy rancher

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fedup2 said:
First of all, to qualify for crp, it has to be marginal land as in highly erodable.(sp) The government then rents this land from you for conservation, etc. If your county is declared a disaster area, then you or another producer can cut a % of this grass for hay. You will get a reduction in your payment. Only those in that disaster county are allowed to use this hay.
As far as the statement “you are just dropped from the program”, nothing could be further from the truth. If you are caught breaking the contract, you can be forced to pay back every cent that you ever received over the years that you were enrolled plus a fine! In many cases that means you have just lost your farm! Not very many people are willing to risk that for low grade CRP hay! :roll:

Fedup that might have been the intention of putting in marginal land nut that's not reality. The Outlook bench in Montana is very good farm land and lots of that was put in. I know of two operators that put in their farm land near Outlook and went and bought ranches and broke them up. One at Roy Mt. and the other in South Dakota. So where was the net gain for the environment.
 
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