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Canada gives financial aid to cattle and hog farmers

fedup2

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Here is one of the benefits . http://fwp.mt.gov/tmc/reports/sidebar2.html

I don’t think you have to worry about crp much longer. In its time, the crp payments were worth more to some than any other type of income that could be derived from the land. Cattle or crops.
With todays land prices, record crop prices, etc. crp payments are falling far short of the ‘use’ potential again.
Average land in western ND used to be in the $250-300 per acre range. Now out of state hunters are paying $2500 per acre. Some land NE of me sold for over $4000 per acre. The hunters may keep the crp enrolled but there is no one else that can pay this type of money for land and keep it in CRP. The hunters sure won't let anyone cut the cover for hay! I think this country will go back to an old ag secretary, earl butz's old saying, "Plow the ditches"!
 
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fedup2 said:
Here is one of the benefits . http://fwp.mt.gov/tmc/reports/sidebar2.html

I don’t think you have to worry about crp much longer. In its time, the crp payments were worth more to some than any other type of income that could be derived from the land. Cattle or crops.
With todays land prices, record crop prices, etc. crp payments are falling far short of the ‘use’ potential again.
Average land in western ND used to be in the $250-300 per acre range. Now out of state hunters are paying $2500 per acre. Some land NE of me sold for over $4000 per acre. The hunters may keep the crp enrolled but there is no one else that can pay this type of money for land and keep it in CRP. The hunters sure won't let anyone cut the cover for hay! I think this country will go back to an old ag secretary, earl butz's old saying, "Plow the ditches"!

I agree fedup2-- its going to be seed it fenceline to fenceline...Around here I'm already hearing and seeing folks this year working up or seeding anything they get the drill/machinery to turn around in :shock: And in a couple years we may have a world glut again...

Even with the price of calves taking a big jump since 2003- I was seeing some CRP being taken out and used for improved pasture...
 

QUESTION

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So why is OT bothered by the fact that canadian producers can take a loan to get thru tough times. You guys can go to a bank and do the same thing. Sorry OT youwon't be able to come up here and buy land for pennies on the dollar
 
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QUESTION said:
So why is OT bothered by the fact that canadian producers can take a loan to get thru tough times. You guys can go to a bank and do the same thing. Sorry OT youwon't be able to come up here and buy land for pennies on the dollar

Where did I say I was bothered with it, Questionable :???: I just posted it for your knowledge so you wouldn't miss out on getting your check.....

Your paranoia is beginning to influence your every day thinking :roll: :(
 

QUESTION

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Sorry to burst your bubble but as i have told you before i am not taking part in this program. Maybe you should get checked your memory is slipping. You seem to be making the same posts on 3 or 4 sites. Do you not remember posting??
 

Tam

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Sandhusker said:
Tam said:
Sandhusker said:
Question, "The cash advance is a loan unlike the US ag bill where US producers are given money to take marginal land out of production (CPP) then allowed to used it and don't have to return the money, it must be nice getting paid to do nothing , and get direct Ag ubsidies.

If you're talking about CRP, you don't get to use it - that's the definition of "taking out of production."

Question, " The US farmer gets 10 times the ag support from the government that a canadian producer does per capita"

The big rice and cotton outfits in the South skew the average per capita. Exclude those two commodities and the recipients and then tell us what you find.

Sandhusker I think you need to check your facts as that "out of Production" CRP land may not be producing wheat but it sure seems to be producing a lot of hay for the cattle in the US.

Says who?
THE USDA
Haying and Grazing

Haying and grazing of CRP acreage is authorized under certain conditions to improve the quality and performance of the CRP cover or to provide emergency relief to livestock producers due to certain natural disasters. There are two types of haying and grazing authorization: managed and emergency.

Primary Nesting Season

Generally, CRP acreage may not be hayed or grazed during the Primary Nesting Season for certain wildlife established by state FSA committees in consultation with USDA's Natural Resources Conservation Service (NRCS) State Technical Committee.

Managed Haying and Grazing

Managed haying and grazing is authorized no more frequently than one out of every three years after the CRP cover is fully established. Managed haying and grazing may be available less frequently in a particular area depending upon local conditions, resource capacity, and the conservation goals of the program. Also, acreage either hayed or grazed under managed or emergency provisions in either of the previous two years is ineligible for managed haying or grazing in the current year.

Managed haying is authorized for a single period up to 90 days. Managed grazing is authorized for a single period up to 120 days or for two 60-day periods.

CRP participants requesting managed haying and grazing must file a request with their local FSA office indicating the acreage to be hayed or grazed before the activity begins.

CRP participants requesting managed haying and grazing are assessed a 25 percent payment reduction except when managed haying and grazing is conducted in an "emergency" area as discussed below.

Emergency Haying and Grazing

Emergency haying and grazing of CRP acreage may be authorized to provide relief to livestock producers in areas affected by a severe drought or similar natural disaster.

Emergency authorization is provided by either a national FSA office authorization or by a state FSA committee determination utilizing the U.S. Drought Monitor.
So every three years CRP registered land can be harvested as a management practice.
 

Tam

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Sandhusker said:
Tam, "So every three years CRP registered land can be harvested as a management practice."

Yeah, go ahead and try it.

Did you forget that I have family in the States and I happen to know they have access to CRP just about every year if not every year. yes it may be different land but it is still CRP and they are still harvesting it, AND FEEDING IT TO THEIR CATTLE.
 

Sandhusker

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Tam said:
Sandhusker said:
Tam, "So every three years CRP registered land can be harvested as a management practice."

Yeah, go ahead and try it.

Did you forget that I have family in the States and I happen to know they have access to CRP just about every year if not every year. yes it may be different land but it is still CRP and they are still harvesting it, AND FEEDING IT TO THEIR CATTLE.

Did you forget that some of us actually live here? Why don't you do a little check and see how prevalent that practice is nationwide.
 

Tam

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Sandhusker said:
Tam said:
Sandhusker said:
Tam, "So every three years CRP registered land can be harvested as a management practice."

Yeah, go ahead and try it.

Did you forget that I have family in the States and I happen to know they have access to CRP just about every year if not every year. yes it may be different land but it is still CRP and they are still harvesting it, AND FEEDING IT TO THEIR CATTLE.

Did you forget that some of us actually live here? Why don't you do a little check and see how prevalent that practice is nationwide.

Your Words
you don't get to use it - that's the definition of "taking out of production."

USDA words
There are two types of haying and grazing authorization: managed and emergency.

I don't really care what the prevalents is only that your statement about you don't get to use it is wrong. Cattle producers in the US can and DO use the CRP land for hay with the authorization of the USDA
 

Tam

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Sandhusker said:
I can assure you, Tam, using CRP is the exception and not the rule. Get over it.

CRP land is not totally out of Production, you were wrong so Get over it :wink:
 

ranch hand

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Tam said:
Sandhusker said:
I can assure you, Tam, using CRP is the exception and not the rule. Get over it.

CRP land is not totally out of Production, you were wrong so Get over it :wink:


You are forgetting that they turn it lose when it is too late to get good hay. Plus any money made off the sale of hay is deducted from the CRP payment. You can have both.
 

Sandhusker

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Come on, Ranch hand, Tam want's US producers to have it both ways. Don't be bringing facts into the deal, let her win an arguement for once! :lol:
 

mwj

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Sandhusker said:
Come on, Ranch hand, Tam want's US producers to have it both ways. Don't be bringing facts into the deal, let her win an arguement for once! :lol:


So you are saying that she was wrong???? Maybe you just can not own up to the truth :p
 

Denny

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Tam said:
Sandhusker said:
Tam, "So every three years CRP registered land can be harvested as a management practice."

Yeah, go ahead and try it.

Did you forget that I have family in the States and I happen to know they have access to CRP just about every year if not every year. yes it may be different land but it is still CRP and they are still harvesting it, AND FEEDING IT TO THEIR CATTLE.

Well it all depend's on the program because we have a piece here that you can't touch for another 10 years been in 5 already the previous owner put it in the program to make it more appealing to hunter's to buy not all program's are the same.
 

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