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Big Muddy rancher

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Danny Williams going to U.S. for heart surgery
Last Updated: Monday, February 1, 2010 | 10:18 PM NT Comments474Recommend176
CBC News
N.L. Premier Danny Williams is scheduled to have surgery this week.N.L. Premier Danny Williams is scheduled to have surgery this week. (CBC)

Newfoundland and Labrador Premier Danny Williams is set to undergo heart surgery this week in the United States.

CBC News confirmed Monday that Williams, 59, left the province earlier in the day and will have surgery later in the week.

The premier's office provided few details, beyond confirming that he would have heart surgery and saying that it was not necessarily a routine procedure.

Deputy Premier Kathy Dunderdale is scheduled to hold a news conference Tuesday morning.

She's expected to provide more details about Williams's condition, as well as how the provincial government will function during his absence.

Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2010/02/01/nl-williams-heart-201.html#ixzz0eMEoRNRa
 

hypocritexposer

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University of Western Ontario Hospital probably have some of the best Heart Surgeons in the World.

Was the waiting list too long?

Oh well, hopefully more of the Elites go to the US, so the line-up will be shorter for those that can't.
 

Broke Cowboy

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hypocritexposer said:
University of Western Ontario Hospital probably have some of the best Heart Surgeons in the World.

Was the waiting list too long?

Oh well, hopefully more of the Elites go to the US, so the line-up will be shorter for those that can't.

Just another reason to support two tier medicine in leftie Canuck land

BC
 

per

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This is just an example of the ultimate two tier system. I agree with Hypo, go south and keep the line up here shorter. The monkey wrench is if the US goes socialist and then we might not be able to access their system. Newfoundland won't make him pay he is an Icon there.
 

Broke Cowboy

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When I broke my back I had to go south - or wait forever up in Canada

If I had waited I would have been in a chair forever. So much for sitting on your ass!! I chose to pay and walk for the rest of my life.

Canuck land has a decent system once you are in.

Getting there is the problem sometimes.

If you can afford it - go!

Free up the space for the peons

BC
 

Tam

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Broke Cowboy said:
When I broke my back I had to go south - or wait forever up in Canada

If I had waited I would have been in a chair forever. So much for sitting on your ass!! I chose to pay and walk for the rest of my life.

Canuck land has a decent system once you are in.

Getting there is the problem sometimes.

If you can afford it - go!

Free up the space for the peons

BC

May I add go quietly don't make a fuss by talking about the wait times for heavens sakes or you will be told to get the hell out and don't come back. :cry: :wink:
 

burnt

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It is totally unfair to our Canadian health care system to portray it as it has been portrayed in this thread and in many others. I think that we must look at it from two perspectives.

First, what it has been and done for many millions of people since its inception many decades ago, and even continues to do today.

Second, what it has become, as someone previously mentioned, due to bloated bureaucracy, administration and (mis)management. Certainly there are holes in the system and unfortunately they seem to be growing.

But it is still serving many people very well and perhaps instead of tearing the system to shreds, that energy might be better spent advocating for improvements to the system, however they may be made.

I will reiterate my view that if everyone (both workers and users) would recognize their full responsibility to our health care system, it would go a long way toward becoming everything it could be.

But our selfish human nature gets in the way at every level, causing a good thing to falter.
 

Big Muddy rancher

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burnt said:
It is totally unfair to our Canadian health care system to portray it as it has been portrayed in this thread and in many others. I think that we must look at it from two perspectives.

First, what it has been and done for many millions of people since its inception many decades ago, and even continues to do today.

Second, what it has become, as someone previously mentioned, due to bloated bureaucracy, administration and (mis)management. Certainly there are holes in the system and unfortunately they seem to be growing.

But it is still serving many people very well and perhaps instead of tearing the system to shreds, that energy might be better spent advocating for improvements to the system, however they may be made.

I will reiterate my view that if everyone (both workers and users) would recognize their full responsibility to our health care system, it would go a long way toward becoming everything it could be.

But our selfish human nature gets in the way at every level, causing a good thing to falter.

I pretty much agree with you Burnt. What i don't get is why a prominent politician that is opposed to "Two Tier " system for Canada will go to the USA for surgery and not wait on the system that he runs.
He can't "Buy" his surgery in Canada can he?
 

Tam

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burnt said:
It is totally unfair to our Canadian health care system to portray it as it has been portrayed in this thread and in many others. I think that we must look at it from two perspectives.

First, what it has been and done for many millions of people since its inception many decades ago, and even continues to do today.

Second, what it has become, as someone previously mentioned, due to bloated bureaucracy, administration and (mis)management. Certainly there are holes in the system and unfortunately they seem to be growing.

But it is still serving many people very well and perhaps instead of tearing the system to shreds, that energy might be better spent advocating for improvements to the system, however they may be made.

I will reiterate my view that if everyone (both workers and users) would recognize their full responsibility to our health care system, it would go a long way toward becoming everything it could be.

But our selfish human nature gets in the way at every level, causing a good thing to falter.

Is it totally fair to portray it as a system that meets all the citizens needs just because it meets some's needs?

BTW You are right we need to look at it from two prespectives

1. what it IS

Broken

2. what it WILL BECOME

If we can't talk about our personal experiences without being told we are being unfair then how will we know just how bad it is??
 

hypocritexposer

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Big Muddy rancher said:
burnt said:
It is totally unfair to our Canadian health care system to portray it as it has been portrayed in this thread and in many others. I think that we must look at it from two perspectives.

First, what it has been and done for many millions of people since its inception many decades ago, and even continues to do today.

Second, what it has become, as someone previously mentioned, due to bloated bureaucracy, administration and (mis)management. Certainly there are holes in the system and unfortunately they seem to be growing.

But it is still serving many people very well and perhaps instead of tearing the system to shreds, that energy might be better spent advocating for improvements to the system, however they may be made.

I will reiterate my view that if everyone (both workers and users) would recognize their full responsibility to our health care system, it would go a long way toward becoming everything it could be.

But our selfish human nature gets in the way at every level, causing a good thing to falter.

I pretty much agree with you Burnt. What i don't get is why a prominent politician that is opposed to "Two Tier " system for Canada will go to the USA for surgery and not wait on the system that he runs.
He can't "Buy" his surgery in Canada can he?

I agree with both Burnt and BMR. We need to start looking at expanding the options. A 2 tiered system is the most logical choice. I don't see a problem with those that want to pay the difference in their insurance and a private provider.

It would take the pressure off the Universal system.

It could still be subsidized by the government, but not paid for fully. What is needed is a Hybrid Vigor.
 

burnt

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Tam, I guess we all talk about it from our own good or bad experience with it, don't we. And you will see that I have been consistent in saying that it has its problems and that they are heading for trouble if some things don't change.

No where did I say that it meets ALL the citizens needs. Is the American way meeting ALL the citizens needs? But as far as that goes, I really don't care what is going on down there.

But to paint our system as all negative is WRONG.

If someone want s to spend their own money and go buy what they need elsewhere, I really don't care. All that shows is that the rich have always had the advantage in this world and they always will. It's the golden rule.

The one who has the gold rules!
 

Tam

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burnt said:
Tam, I guess we all talk about it from our own good or bad experience with it, don't we. And you will see that I have been consistent in saying that it has its problems and that they are heading for trouble if some things don't change.

No where did I say that it meets ALL the citizens needs. Is the American way meeting ALL the citizens needs? But as far as that goes, I really don't care what is going on down there.

But to paint our system as all negative is WRONG.

If someone want s to spend their own money and go buy what they need elsewhere, I really don't care. All that shows is that the rich have always had the advantage in this world and they always will. It's the golden rule.

The one who has the gold rules!

It is totally unfair to our Canadian health care system to portray it as it has been portrayed in this thread and in many others.
What is totally unfair about portraying our system as one with problems that have left people with no other option but to leave the country for treatment WHEN IT HAS? :?


No where did I say that it meets ALL the citizens needs.
But to paint our system as all negative is WRONG.
I have not said it doesn't meet some people's needs either. It seems to be meeting nonothing's, Mrs Greg's, NR's, and your's but is it fair for you to say this thread is "unfairly portraying" our system when even our government officials are leaving the country for health care treatment?
 

Tam

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Health cuts have patient worried
Nanaimo woman must wait until April budget for abdominal aneurysm to be repaired
Richard Watts, Canwest News Service
Published: Monday, February 01, 2010
Retired Nanaimo teacher Jo Danielson is living on the edge with an abdominal aneurysm, a dangerous bulge in her aorta, the largest single artery in the body.

But because Danielson, 73, also has heart disease and diabetes, doctors have told her she wouldn't withstand the major abdominal surgery needed to expose the aorta and fix it.

Instead, doctors have recommended a less invasive, endovascular aneurysm repair, in which a stent is inserted into the diseased aorta through a big artery in the groin.


But she will have to wait until April, when the Vancouver Island Health Authority's next budget year begins. The health authority has placed a cost-saving, yearly cap on the stent procedure because of the extra cost.

So Danielson said she does her best to live quietly, keep the stress down and wait. "I've got a time bomb and it's waiting to go off."

The stent procedure, performed in Victoria hospitals since 2005, costs an extra $18,000 in materials. The stent alone costs about $12,500. And so, citing budget restraints, VIHA has capped the number of stent procedures at 38 this year of the up to 140 aneurysms it expects to treat.

Now a positive story. My niece found out she needed Brain surgery last week and had it today. Good thing she lives in the US.


sorry it was yesterday she has surgery
 
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