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Canadas BSE Risk "undetermined"

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LEGAL/REGULATORY NEWS
R-CALF calls on Congress to reform beef import regulations

by Pete Hisey on 7/18/2006 for Meatingplace.com


Ranchers-Cattlemen's Action Legal Fund, United Stockgrowers of America, has sent a letter to Agriculture Secretary Mike Johanns and five congressional leaders asking that USDA and Congress address issues such as country-of-origin labeling and segregation of Canadian and U.S. cattle at feedlots and at slaughter.

Specifically, R-CALF USA is asking USDA to shelve the idea of allowing Canadian cattle over 30 months of age and beef from cattle over 30 months of age into the United States. The letter also asks USDA to rescind a rule allowing cattle and beef from cattle under 30 months into the country. Failing that, R-CALF is requesting that Canadian cattle be prevented from commingling with native-born cattle.

R-CALF Chief Executive Bill Bullard, told Meatingplace.com that with new OIE standards in place, he believes Canada is arguably in the "undetermined" category for incidence of bovine spongiform encephalopathy.

OIE has shifted from a five-tier system that assessed risk by the number of BSE cases detected per million head of cattle to a more general three-tier system: "negligible," meaning no cases have been detected in the past 11 years; "controlled," meaning effective measures such as animal feed bans and specified risk material removal have been put in place to mitigate risk; and "undetermined," which means none of the above.

"We would argue that Canada belongs in that last category," Bullard said, contending that the recent discovery of BSE in a Canadian dairy cow born four and a half years after Canada's feed ban was implemented indicates that the ban is either ineffective or inadequately enforced.


R-CALF, which is appealing a decision by the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals in its ongoing lawsuit against USDA over reopening the border to Canadian product, argues that the import of animals from Canada and their subsequent commingling with native-born cattle endangers U.S. export trade with key customers such as South Korea and Japan, and lowers the value of all cattle because of the ongoing loss of those export markets.

R-CALF also is asking that in cases where U.S. beef is banned, imported beef from those markets also be banned until access is restored.
 

Manitoba_Rancher

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OT- See you are posting more bathroom material if you keep posting this junk we will soon have enough TP to last a decade. Anything that comes from R-calf qualifies for TP.
 

Big Muddy rancher

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Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 12:04 am Post subject: Canadas BSE Risk "undetermined"

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LEGAL/REGULATORY NEWS
R-CALF calls on Congress to reform beef import regulations

by Pete Hisey on 7/18/2006 for Meatingplace.com


Ranchers-Cattlemen's Action Legal Fund, United Stockgrowers of America, has sent a letter to Agriculture Secretary Mike Johanns and five congressional leaders asking that USDA and Congress address issues such as country-of-origin labeling and segregation of Canadian and U.S. cattle at feedlots and at slaughter.

Specifically, R-CALF USA is asking USDA to shelve the idea of allowing Canadian cattle over 30 months of age and beef from cattle over 30 months of age into the United States. The letter also asks USDA to rescind a rule allowing cattle and beef from cattle under 30 months into the country. Failing that, R-CALF is requesting that Canadian cattle be prevented from commingling with native-born cattle.

R-CALF Chief Executive Bill Bullard, told Meatingplace.com that with new OIE standards in place, he believes Canada is arguably in the "undetermined" category for incidence of bovine spongiform encephalopathy.

OIE has shifted from a five-tier system that assessed risk by the number of BSE cases detected per million head of cattle to a more general three-tier system: "negligible," meaning no cases have been detected in the past 11 years; "controlled," meaning effective measures such as animal feed bans and specified risk material removal have been put in place to mitigate risk; and "undetermined," which means none of the above.

"We would argue that Canada belongs in that last category," Bullard said, contending that the recent discovery of BSE in a Canadian dairy cow born four and a half years after Canada's feed ban was implemented indicates that the ban is either ineffective or inadequately enforced.

And do they think the US doesn't fit this catagory?
 
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Big Muddy rancher said:
And do they think the US doesn't fit this catagory?

The USDA says the US could qualify for "negligible" category this year...You don't doubt the "sound science" of USDA do you- Big Muddy :???:
 

Big Muddy rancher

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Oldtimer said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
And do they think the US doesn't fit this catagory?

The USDA says the US could qualify for "negligible" category this year...You don't doubt the "sound science" of USDA do you- Big Muddy :???:



negligible," meaning no cases have been detected in the past 11 years;


Does that fit the USA?
 
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Big Muddy rancher said:
Oldtimer said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
And do they think the US doesn't fit this catagory?

The USDA says the US could qualify for "negligible" category this year...You don't doubt the "sound science" of USDA do you- Big Muddy :???:



negligible," meaning no cases have been detected in the past 11 years;


Does that fit the USA?

Actually the rule says no cases appearing that have been born in the last 11 years...And since the scientic community said the Alabama cow was over 10 years old- Johanns, says that makes the US eligible for "negligible" this year...
 
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Manitoba_Rancher said:
OT- But will anyone in the world actually believe that?

Do you too doubt the USDA? Don't you belive in the sound science as promoted by USDA :???:
 

Murgen

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but unless the underlying chemical cause is addressed, BSE will simply reappear from chemical causes. A new warble fly campaign is already underway in France using the organophosphate insecticide.

this is a little old, but it brings up a question of when BSE first showed up in France
 

Tam

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Tell us Oldtimer How can the US be considered anything but undetermined considering the testing the USDA has been caught doing and the fact you really don't know where your BSE came from in the first place? :?
 

Sandhusker

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Tam said:
Tell us Oldtimer How can the US be considered anything but undetermined considering the testing the USDA has been caught doing and the fact you really don't know where your BSE came from in the first place? :?

OK, Tam, you don't trust the USDA either. Why do you attempt to lampoon R-CALF for doubting them? How come you can question them, but when R-CALF does it, we are isolationists?
 
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Sandhusker said:
Tam said:
Tell us Oldtimer How can the US be considered anything but undetermined considering the testing the USDA has been caught doing and the fact you really don't know where your BSE came from in the first place? :?

OK, Tam, you don't trust the USDA either. Why do you attempt to lampoon R-CALF for doubting them? How come you can question them, but when R-CALF does it, we are isolationists?

Ditto Tam :lol: :lol:

I thought it a comedy that none of the Canucks will say they don't trust USDA-- they would rather pee down their leg than say they agree with an R-CALF position :lol: :lol:
 

Murgen

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I don't trust the USDA, haven't since the start of all of this.

I think quite a few of us told you that back in 2003. And we were right, the USDA, was hiding cases of BSE, it was in the US.

But we distrust RCALF more than the USDA.
 

RoperAB

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Murgen said:
I don't trust the USDA, haven't since the start of all of this.

I think quite a few of us told you that back in 2003. And we were right, the USDA, was hiding cases of BSE, it was in the US.

But we distrust RCALF more than the USDA.

ditto Murgen
 

Sandhusker

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Murgen said:
I don't trust the USDA, haven't since the start of all of this.

I think quite a few of us told you that back in 2003. And we were right, the USDA, was hiding cases of BSE, it was in the US.

But we distrust RCALF more than the USDA.

R-CALF hasn't hid anything. We don't claim to represent one group but represent another. What you see is what you get.
 

Big Muddy rancher

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Sandhusker said:
Murgen said:
I don't trust the USDA, haven't since the start of all of this.

I think quite a few of us told you that back in 2003. And we were right, the USDA, was hiding cases of BSE, it was in the US.

But we distrust RCALF more than the USDA.

R-CALF hasn't hid anything. We don't claim to represent one group but represent another. What you see is what you get.


Sandhusker how can R-CALF claim the safest beef in the world with the best firewalls in one breath then say USDA isn't doing it's job with the next breath. R-CALF lies to fit the story of the day.
 

Sandhusker

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Big Muddy rancher said:
Sandhusker said:
Murgen said:
I don't trust the USDA, haven't since the start of all of this.

I think quite a few of us told you that back in 2003. And we were right, the USDA, was hiding cases of BSE, it was in the US.

But we distrust RCALF more than the USDA.

R-CALF hasn't hid anything. We don't claim to represent one group but represent another. What you see is what you get.


Sandhusker how can R-CALF claim the safest beef in the world with the best firewalls in one breath then say USDA isn't doing it's job with the next breath. R-CALF lies to fit the story of the day.

All these R-CALF "lies" that get tossed around here that I've seen are not lies, but are the result of poor reading comprehension and people wanting to make something that isn't there or differences in opinion. Take the example you just provided about the "best firewalls". You're getting this from that quote of Leo's that Tam refuses to take as it was meant. She got hung on the word "provide" and wanted to use an definition of the word that raised question marks when another definition straight from Websters made perfect sense. You two want Leo to be saying we have the best firewalls in place when he was actually saying IF we do this and do that, we can look the consumer in the eye and say we have the best firewalls. If you want to be like SH and ignore Webster's definitions, anything anybody says can be turned into a lie. Some of you folk's vendetta against R-CALF is past the point of absurdity.

I've never talked to Leo, but I've talked to Bill Bullard several times and even met him and have talked to him face to face and I can tell you he is not a liar. I think one of my strong points is the ability to judge character, and I find Bill to be very intelligent, honest, and dedicated.
 

Tam

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Sandhusker said:
Tam said:
Tell us Oldtimer How can the US be considered anything but undetermined considering the testing the USDA has been caught doing and the fact you really don't know where your BSE came from in the first place? :?

OK, Tam, you don't trust the USDA either. Why do you attempt to lampoon R-CALF for doubting them? How come you can question them, but when R-CALF does it, we are isolationists?

The big difference here Sandhusker is I'm not buying Washington post ads claiming the US raises their cattle to the highest standards in the World and Claiming the US has the World Safest beef at the same time as I'm claiming I don't trust the Government agency that is charge of insuring the safety of that World Safest Beef.

If R-CALF truly doesn't trust the USDA then why was Leo willing to tell the US consumers that BSE is not an issue in the US because of firewalls and safeguards that the USDA wrote and implemented so many years ago????? :?

If R-CALF doesn't trust the USDA then why did they say that the USDA is doing a much better job at surveilance than Canada is, as they are testing 150,000 more head annually. Which we all know was a lie to make the USDA look better as the numbers prove they don't even test the same percentage let allow 150,000 more annually. and the USDA was caught using the wrong testing protocol.

Add to that Leo's statement about Canada processes downers and the US doesn't How does he know the US doesn't. did the USDA tell him? If the US doesn't process downers what was the Washington cow doing in a slaughter house? and why were the Texas cows being delivered to a slaughter plant? why does the USDA get they test subjects from slaughter housed they are to be testing the 4D just like Canada, Canada has to rely on producers for their 4D samples.

The problem I have with R-CALF is they say what fits the days agenda and if those statements don't fit the next days agenda they FLIP FLOP WORSE THAN A FISH OUT OF WATER. :x

They demand definitive answers but not when it comes to US BSE.
Beef from BSE affected countries is unsafe and presents a risk to human health But not if it is US BSE affected Beef!!!
Get the picture Sandhuskers :x :x
 

Sandhusker

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Tam, "If R-CALF truly doesn't trust the USDA then why was Leo willing to tell the US consumers that BSE is not an issue in the US because of firewalls and safeguards that the USDA wrote and implemented so many years ago?????"

That's not what he said, Tam. Your arguement is crap if your supporting "facts" are not facts. I'd ask you to post his actual statement, but we've been down that road before. The first time you mistakenly omitted the first half of his comment, the second time, you insisted on ignoring Merriam Webster. What does your brother say..."attempting to mislead....."?
 
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