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Canadas BSE Risk "undetermined"

Tam

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Sandhusker said:
Tam, "If R-CALF truly doesn't trust the USDA then why was Leo willing to tell the US consumers that BSE is not an issue in the US because of firewalls and safeguards that the USDA wrote and implemented so many years ago?????"

That's not what he said, Tam. Your arguement is crap if your supporting "facts" are not facts. I'd ask you to post his actual statement, but we've been down that road before. The first time you mistakenly omitted the first half of his comment, the second time, you insisted on ignoring Merriam Webster. What does your brother say..."attempting to mislead....."?
I have posted it many times you just don't care to see what a liar your hero really is.

here is another quote from Leo, Sandhusker

Suspect Sample Tests Positive for BSE
BILLINGS, MONT. (June 24, 2005)

snip

The BSE safeguards already in place here in the U.S. are more stringent than measures any other country has ever implemented prior to having a case of BSE, including Canada,” said McDonnell. “Yet, USDA continues to seek to lower our import standards by writing a Final Rule that would allow cattle and additional beef products into the U.S. from Canada, a country that doesn’t meet the minimum internationally accepted standards for BSE prevention and control.”
.”

This is exactlly what Leo said he was going to say if BSE was found. :nod:

Leo McDonnell said
“we know if we are going to keep consumer confidence we are going to maintain some of the highest standards in the world to make sure that BSE is not introduced into this country. And we are going to make sure we have the best meat and bone meal ban in this country in place. So if for some reason we did find a case we can stand and look our consumers right in the eye and say, don’t worry we have had these firewalls in place for years, the only country prior to having a case of BSE to have these firewalls in place for so many years. And we did it to make sure if a case was ever found it was a non-issue. If we look them right in the eye and say that I will guarantee they will keep eating beef”.



it was Bullsh** the first time he said it and it still is :liar: as you still feed chicken litter and condemned pet food which both contain ruminant by products back to your cattle, Canada ban these things in 1998. therefore you DO NOT HAVE MORE STRINGENT MEASURES IN PLACE.

And PLEEAASSEE don't use yours is Atypical because when Leo made this statement about your BSE you had no idea it was any different from plain old BSE. And I find it very strange that when you look at the press releases from R-CALF about the time of the second BSE positive in the US there in not one press release about it. It really did become a non issue in the eyes of R-CALF. No definitive answer for R-CALF as they don't seem to care where it came from. As long as you have those magical firewall that no other country has, that can protect from native BSE but not imported. :wink:
 

Tam

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snip from another R-CALF press release dated Feb, 21, 2005

Both Mc Donnell and Bullard emphasized that the U.S. now has effective firewalls in place that reduce the likeihood of the disease in this country.
Who implemented the effective firewalls that both Leo and Bill emphasized you had IN PLACE. Could it have been that government agency that R-CALF doesn't trust? :wink:
 
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Tam said:
snip from another R-CALF press release dated Feb, 21, 2005

Both Mc Donnell and Bullard emphasized that the U.S. now has effective firewalls in place that reduce the likeihood of the disease in this country.
Who implemented the effective firewalls that both Leo and Bill emphasized you had IN PLACE. Could it have been that government agency that R-CALF doesn't trust? :wink:


My feeling is that it was the producers and consumers of the US who contacted their legislators and got the Senate to vote heavily opposing the USDA's OTM policy that put the firewalls we have in place...This convinced the USDA to back down on their rule...Without the strong opposition to the OTM rule "our trusted USDA" would have still shoved it down our throats....

But this was prior to the finding of 4 POST feedbans and a positive animal aged perilously close to the UTM magic number- which may be enough to convince Congress to relook at the entire Border Rule....USDA may be above judicial oversight- but they also know where their funding comes from.... :wink:
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
Tam said:
snip from another R-CALF press release dated Feb, 21, 2005

Both Mc Donnell and Bullard emphasized that the U.S. now has effective firewalls in place that reduce the likeihood of the disease in this country.
Who implemented the effective firewalls that both Leo and Bill emphasized you had IN PLACE. Could it have been that government agency that R-CALF doesn't trust? :wink:

Tam, I think your avitar should be a headless chicken, because that is the image your posts bring up. To fit your agenda, you make the world all bad or all good. For instance, you think R-CALF is all bad and you ignore our calls for a stricter feed ban, increased testing, etc....things that you brag on. R-CALF doesn't think USDA is all bad, we just know that appeasing the packers gets in the way of their judgement.
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
Quote:
Suspect Sample Tests Positive for BSE
BILLINGS, MONT. (June 24, 2005)

snip

“The BSE safeguards already in place here in the U.S. are more stringent than measures any other country has ever implemented prior to having a case of BSE, including Canada,” said McDonnell. “Yet, USDA continues to seek to lower our import standards by writing a Final Rule that would allow cattle and additional beef products into the U.S. from Canada, a country that doesn’t meet the minimum internationally accepted standards for BSE prevention and control.”
.”


Tam, "This is exactlly what Leo said he was going to say if BSE was found."

Where's the lie?

Leo McDonnell said Quote:
“we know if we are going to keep consumer confidence we are going to maintain some of the highest standards in the world to make sure that BSE is not introduced into this country. And we are going to make sure we have the best meat and bone meal ban in this country in place. So if for some reason we did find a case we can stand and look our consumers right in the eye and say, don’t worry we have had these firewalls in place for years, the only country prior to having a case of BSE to have these firewalls in place for so many years. And we did it to make sure if a case was ever found it was a non-issue. If we look them right in the eye and say that I will guarantee they will keep eating beef”.




Tam,"it was Bullsh** the first time he said it and it still is as you still feed chicken litter and condemned pet food which both contain ruminant by products back to your cattle, Canada ban these things in 1998. therefore you DO NOT HAVE MORE STRINGENT MEASURES IN PLACE. "

I'll interpret plain English one more time and then I'm thru with you, Tam. Go look up the word "Maintain" if you have a dictionary. If you don't, go to town and find one. Leo is saying we need to put in place and keep the highest standards. Anybody reading his ENTIRE talk would understand that perfectly. The only lie to be found is by those who are trying to misinterpret his words to manufacture a lie.

You're something else.
 

Tam

Well-known member
Sandhusker said:
Quote:
Suspect Sample Tests Positive for BSE
BILLINGS, MONT. (June 24, 2005)

snip

“The BSE safeguards already in place here in the U.S. are more stringent than measures any other country has ever implemented prior to having a case of BSE, including Canada,” said McDonnell. “Yet, USDA continues to seek to lower our import standards by writing a Final Rule that would allow cattle and additional beef products into the U.S. from Canada, a country that doesn’t meet the minimum internationally accepted standards for BSE prevention and control.”
.”


Tam, "This is exactlly what Leo said he was going to say if BSE was found."

Where's the lie?

Leo McDonnell said Quote:
“we know if we are going to keep consumer confidence we are going to maintain some of the highest standards in the world to make sure that BSE is not introduced into this country. And we are going to make sure we have the best meat and bone meal ban in this country in place. So if for some reason we did find a case we can stand and look our consumers right in the eye and say, don’t worry we have had these firewalls in place for years, the only country prior to having a case of BSE to have these firewalls in place for so many years. And we did it to make sure if a case was ever found it was a non-issue. If we look them right in the eye and say that I will guarantee they will keep eating beef”.




Tam,"it was Bullsh** the first time he said it and it still is as you still feed chicken litter and condemned pet food which both contain ruminant by products back to your cattle, Canada ban these things in 1998. therefore you DO NOT HAVE MORE STRINGENT MEASURES IN PLACE. "

I'll interpret plain English one more time and then I'm thru with you, Tam. Go look up the word "Maintain" if you have a dictionary. If you don't, go to town and find one. Leo is saying we need to put in place and keep the highest standards. Anybody reading his ENTIRE talk would understand that perfectly. The only lie to be found is by those who are trying to misinterpret his words to manufacture a lie.

You're something else.

Are you still denying he said it when after BSE was found he made this statement
“The BSE safeguards already in place here in the U.S. are more stringent than measures any other country has ever implemented prior to having a case of BSE, including Canada,” said McDonnel
you and I both know that is BULL as you still legally feed chick litter to your cattle. Something of which everyone knows is a source of cross contamination even the USDA and the FDA. He and Bullard also said this
the U.S. now has effective firewalls in place that reduce the likeihood of the disease in this country.
If R-CALF doesn't trust the USDA to implement firewalls why do they brag these firewalls up when trying to sell your beef but knock them when trying to stop beef trade with Canada. Any firewall that can protect consumers from native BSE should also be protecting them from imported.
And "maintain" in my dictionary means to KEEP UP WITH OR CARRY ON WITH. OR TO CONTINUE WITH
Continue means to remain in existance.
Which means they have to EXSIST TO BE MAINTAINED.

Definitions of maintain on the Web:

keep: keep in a certain state, position, or activity; e.g., "keep clean"; "hold in place";
conserve: keep in safety and protect from harm, decay, loss, or destruction;
sustain: supply with necessities and support;
assert: state categorically
wield: have and exercise; "
keep: maintain for use and service; "I keep a car in the countryside"; "She keeps an apartment in Paris for her shopping trips"
(Now this one Sandhusker does this person have to have a car or get a car if he is MAINTAINING IT IN THE COUNTRY Does she have an apartment in Paris or does she have to get one to maintain one)

state or assert; "He maintained his innocence" (this one does he have to get innocence before he can maintain he is innocence)

Sorry in most definition of Maintain you have to have it before you can KEEP IT UP OR SUSTAIN IT OR CONSERVE IT.
 

ranch hand

Well-known member
Tam said:
Sandhusker said:
Quote:
Suspect Sample Tests Positive for BSE
BILLINGS, MONT. (June 24, 2005)

snip

“The BSE safeguards already in place here in the U.S. are more stringent than measures any other country has ever implemented prior to having a case of BSE, including Canada,” said McDonnell. “Yet, USDA continues to seek to lower our import standards by writing a Final Rule that would allow cattle and additional beef products into the U.S. from Canada, a country that doesn’t meet the minimum internationally accepted standards for BSE prevention and control.”
.”


Tam, "This is exactlly what Leo said he was going to say if BSE was found."

Where's the lie?

Leo McDonnell said Quote:
“we know if we are going to keep consumer confidence we are going to maintain some of the highest standards in the world to make sure that BSE is not introduced into this country. And we are going to make sure we have the best meat and bone meal ban in this country in place. So if for some reason we did find a case we can stand and look our consumers right in the eye and say, don’t worry we have had these firewalls in place for years, the only country prior to having a case of BSE to have these firewalls in place for so many years. And we did it to make sure if a case was ever found it was a non-issue. If we look them right in the eye and say that I will guarantee they will keep eating beef”.




Tam,"it was Bullsh** the first time he said it and it still is as you still feed chicken litter and condemned pet food which both contain ruminant by products back to your cattle, Canada ban these things in 1998. therefore you DO NOT HAVE MORE STRINGENT MEASURES IN PLACE. "

I'll interpret plain English one more time and then I'm thru with you, Tam. Go look up the word "Maintain" if you have a dictionary. If you don't, go to town and find one. Leo is saying we need to put in place and keep the highest standards. Anybody reading his ENTIRE talk would understand that perfectly. The only lie to be found is by those who are trying to misinterpret his words to manufacture a lie.

You're something else.

Are you still denying he said it when after BSE was found he made this statement
“The BSE safeguards already in place here in the U.S. are more stringent than measures any other country has ever implemented prior to having a case of BSE, including Canada,” said McDonnel
you and I both know that is BULL as you still legally feed chick litter to your cattle. Something of which everyone knows is a source of cross contamination even the USDA and the FDA. He and Bullard also said this
the U.S. now has effective firewalls in place that reduce the likeihood of the disease in this country.
If R-CALF doesn't trust the USDA to implement firewalls why do they brag these firewalls up when trying to sell your beef but knock them when trying to stop beef trade with Canada. Any firewall that can protect consumers from native BSE should also be protecting them from imported.
And "maintain" in my dictionary means to KEEP UP WITH OR CARRY ON WITH. OR TO CONTINUE WITH
Continue means to remain in existance.
Which means they have to EXSIST TO BE MAINTAINED.

Definitions of maintain on the Web:

keep: keep in a certain state, position, or activity; e.g., "keep clean"; "hold in place";
conserve: keep in safety and protect from harm, decay, loss, or destruction;
sustain: supply with necessities and support;
assert: state categorically
wield: have and exercise; "
keep: maintain for use and service; "I keep a car in the countryside"; "She keeps an apartment in Paris for her shopping trips"
(Now this one Sandhusker does this person have to have a car or get a car if he is MAINTAINING IT IN THE COUNTRY Does she have an apartment in Paris or does she have to get one to maintain one)

state or assert; "He maintained his innocence" (this one does he have to get innocence before he can maintain he is innocence)

Sorry in most definition of Maintain you have to have it before you can KEEP IT UP OR SUSTAIN IT OR CONSERVE IT.

We need to MAINTAIN that we do not import BSE from a country that has BSE. Just like you did before you got BSE and lost your market. Then you said it was OK. What changed with you, did you open your markets to countries that have BSE? Seems like you are just getting around to opening some as you want our market.
 

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