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Anonymous

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A post I stole off the cattletoday site:

Alberta BSE caused by illegal Ontario Importation‏
by mc486 on Sat Jan 31, 2009 5:27 pm

My name is Scott Harrison. In the late 1990s a government of Canada facility I worked at in Burlington, Ontario imported BSE bone meal illegally and transported it out west causing the Alberta BSE. This is no joke. If your contact me at [email protected] I will email you the first 23 pages documenting this and including the transport tags used on the container when the material was first brought illegaly from Ireland to Ontario, Canada. I have much more detailed information. They did this for reasons mentioned in the first two pages of the 23 page document I will send you. I have been trying for several years to contact the farmers of Alberta about this but I did not know how. I only found this forum today. Ridley requested and I sent copies of this information to them several years back. I think they might of used this information to get a better settlement as they seemed very excited by it at the time. I am dying from non-hodgkins lymphoma (terminal cancer) and would like to get this out of the way before I die. I will answer all questions to the best of my ability.

Regards,

S. Harrison
 

Mrs.Greg

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
A post I stole off the cattletoday site:

Alberta BSE caused by illegal Ontario Importation‏
by mc486 on Sat Jan 31, 2009 5:27 pm

My name is Scott Harrison. In the late 1990s a government of Canada facility I worked at in Burlington, Ontario imported BSE bone meal illegally and transported it out west causing the Alberta BSE. This is no joke. If your contact me at [email protected] I will email you the first 23 pages documenting this and including the transport tags used on the container when the material was first brought illegaly from Ireland to Ontario, Canada. I have much more detailed information. They did this for reasons mentioned in the first two pages of the 23 page document I will send you. I have been trying for several years to contact the farmers of Alberta about this but I did not know how. I only found this forum today. Ridley requested and I sent copies of this information to them several years back. I think they might of used this information to get a better settlement as they seemed very excited by it at the time. I am dying from non-hodgkins lymphoma (terminal cancer) and would like to get this out of the way before I die. I will answer all questions to the best of my ability.

Regards,

S. Harrison
I don't even know what to say to this...........
 

Broke Cowboy

Well-known member
Well, he could try the following:

Local lawyer - free through legal aide
Local politician
Local Ag papers
Regional Ag papers
Local cattle boards
Local Ag Boards
Provincial Ag Boards
Canadian Ag Boards
Globe & Mail
National Post
Toronto Star
Bourque News
Ottawa Citizen
Every Man Sask and Alta newspaper
Every prairie based ag paper - including Western Producer
U.S.A. news along the Canuck border - big for the cattle country papers

My wife writes for a pile of the above - all across Canada - and she probably has more access than most to a library of info - this guy could get it out to the world if he was serious - and could have got it out if he was serious.

I can think of about 50 extra places I might go to put this out to the public.

Conspiracy theorists would love this one - certainly it would be easy to get this on the street.

Heck there are at least 100 solid ag based blogs that get high traffic that would be glad to post this info - I am sure they have never heard of this.

And the beat goes on - far, far too many interested parties - outside the loop of the "keep it quiet crowd" for this to be so quiet - perhaps we have a troll?

Seems pretty fishy to me at this stage.

Showing my cynical streak - but the death tag could be a false lead as well. Sit on it until you die - then put it out? Nope.

Afraid before but nothing to lose now? A possible explanation - but seems sympathy based.

Too many holes in this one for me.

I want more than this to get up and excited.

I am willing to take it all back if someone can make me believe it.

OT - why don't you do it - you are the trained investigator. Contact him and let us know what YOU think. Personally I think it is all going to be smoke in the wind.

Cheers

BC
 

burnt

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Ya, I wouldn't know what to say, either. Hummm, let me think for a while because I SHOULD say something.

Well, I might start out with something like "wow, I was at a lovely dinner party last nite; the champagne was delightful . . ."

Naw, that's kinda weak. Sounds kinda fluffy, too. Not to mention a bit inane, as well.

Maybe I'll try this line - "Well surely this story must have just a TON of credibility since it was posted by such a friendly, compassionate person who has absolutely no agenda or hatred for Canada and its people. And the source, well, the source sounds like it is SO well positioned, intelligent and informed".

Yup. I think that this would be a fair and accurate response. But surely I can come up with more than that.

Maybe this - "It's past midnite and ot HAS been hitting the schnapps pretty hard all evening so his judgment is a little more impaired than usual . . ." Yeah, I think that's the best fit in this case.

But ya know what, I just decided that I wouldn't bother saying anything at all.
 

Mrs.Greg

Well-known member
Broke Cowboy said:
Well, he could try the following:

Local lawyer - free through legal aide
Local politician
Local Ag papers
Regional Ag papers
Local cattle boards
Local Ag Boards
Provincial Ag Boards
Canadian Ag Boards
Globe & Mail
National Post
Toronto Star
Bourque News
Ottawa Citizen
Every Man Sask and Alta newspaper
Every prairie based ag paper - including Western Producer
U.S.A. news along the Canuck border - big for the cattle country papers

My wife writes for a pile of the above - all across Canada - and she probably has more access than most to a library of info - this guy could get it out to the world if he was serious - and could have got it out if he was serious.

I can think of about 50 extra places I might go to put this out to the public.

Conspiracy theorists would love this one - certainly it would be easy to get this on the street.

Heck there are at least 100 solid ag based blogs that get high traffic that would be glad to post this info - I am sure they have never heard of this.

And the beat goes on - far, far too many interested parties - outside the loop of the "keep it quiet crowd" for this to be so quiet - perhaps we have a troll?

Seems pretty fishy to me at this stage.

Showing my cynical streak - but the death tag could be a false lead as well. Sit on it until you die - then put it out? Nope.

Afraid before but nothing to lose now? A possible explanation - but seems sympathy based.

Too many holes in this one for me.

I want more than this to get up and excited.

I am willing to take it all back if someone can make me believe it.

OT - why don't you do it - you are the trained investigator. Contact him and let us know what YOU think. Personally I think it is all going to be smoke in the wind.

Cheers

BC
I agree,alot of this ran through my mind after I read the info OT posted,after a really sick feeling in my tummy.IF it were this easy and even not if its false,pretty sick posting something like this that's devastated a industry and peoples lives.......
 

flounder

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
A post I stole off the cattletoday site:

Alberta BSE caused by illegal Ontario Importation‏
by mc486 on Sat Jan 31, 2009 5:27 pm

My name is Scott Harrison. In the late 1990s a government of Canada facility I worked at in Burlington, Ontario imported BSE bone meal illegally and transported it out west causing the Alberta BSE. This is no joke. If your contact me at [email protected] I will email you the first 23 pages documenting this and including the transport tags used on the container when the material was first brought illegaly from Ireland to Ontario, Canada. I have much more detailed information. They did this for reasons mentioned in the first two pages of the 23 page document I will send you. I have been trying for several years to contact the farmers of Alberta about this but I did not know how. I only found this forum today. Ridley requested and I sent copies of this information to them several years back. I think they might of used this information to get a better settlement as they seemed very excited by it at the time. I am dying from non-hodgkins lymphoma (terminal cancer) and would like to get this out of the way before I die. I will answer all questions to the best of my ability.

Regards,


THE USA AND CANADA BOTH RECIEVED TAINTED UK MBM I.E. GREAVES, LEGALLY TOO. and it seems the USA got about 44 tons (my files), and Canada got about 83 tons. ...TSS


UK EXPORTS OF MBM TO WORLD

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/mb/m11g/tab05.pdf

OTHERS

BEEF AND VEAL

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/mb/m11f/tab08.pdf

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/mb/m11f/tab09.pdf

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/mb/m11f/tab10.pdf

LIVE CATTLE

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/mb/m11f/tab11.pdf

FATS

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/mb/m11g/tab01.pdf

EMBRYOS

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/mb/m11g/tab03.pdf

GELATIN ETC

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/mb/m11g/tab02.pdf

SEMEN

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/mb/m11g/tab04.pdf

MEAT

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/mb/m11g/tab05.pdf

CANADA

http://www.efsa.eu.int/science/efsa_scientific_reports/gbr_assessments/scr_annexes/563/sr02_biohaz02_canada_report_annex_en1.pdf

USA

http://www.efsa.eu.int/science/efsa_scientific_reports/gbr_assessments/scr_annexes/574/sr03_biohaz02_usa_report_annex_en1.pdf

MEXICO

http://www.efsa.eu.int/science/efsa_scientific_reports/gbr_assessments/scr_annexes/566/sr04_biohaz02_mexico_report_annex_en1.pdf



Wednesday, April 16, 2008 MBM, greaves, meat offal, live cattle, imports from UK to USA vs Canada "Three of four possible manufacturers supplying a protein supplement likely fed to the animal could have included meat and bone meal (MBM) as an ingredient in its formulation. One of these manufacturers was able to confirm usage of meat and bone meal in supplements and confirm a source of MBM to be one common to previous BSE investigations."

USA AND CANADA IMPORTS OF UK CATTLE BETWEEN 1981 - 1989

USA = 496

CANADA = 198

*add 14 to 198 as last UK import to Canada, 14 in 1990

http://www.inspection.gc.ca/english/sci/ahra/bseris/bserise.pdf

HERE is another look at all the imports for both the USA and Canada of UK live cattle and greaves exports ;

UK Exports of Live Cattle by Value 1986-96

USA 697 LIVE CATTLE

CANADA 299 LIVE CATTLE

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/mb/m11f/tab11.pdf

UK TABLE of Exports of meal of meat and meat offal; greaves 1979 - 1995

USA 24 TONS

CANADA 83 TONS

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/mb/m12/tab12.pdf

HOWEVER, my files show 44 tons of greaves for USA. ...TSS

Subject: Re: exports from the U.K. of it's MBM to U.S.??? From: [email protected] Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 14:03:16 +0000 To: [email protected] (Receipt Notification Requested) (Non Receipt Notification Requested)

Terry

Meat and bonemeal is not specifically classified for overseas trade purposes. The nearest equivalent is listed as flours and meals of meat or offals (including tankage), unfit for human consumption; greaves. UK exports of this to the US are listed below:

Country Tonnes

1980 1981 12 1982 1983 1984 10 1985 2 1986 1987 1988 1989 20 1990

Data for exports between 1975 and 1979 are not readily available. These can be obtained (at a charge) from data retailers appointed by HM Customs and Excise: BTSL (Tel: 01372 463121) or Abacus (01245 252222). Best wishes Simon Pearsall Overseas trade statistics Stats (C&F)C

============ END...TSS...2008============

P04.27

Experimental BSE Infection of Non-human Primates: Efficacy of the Oral Route

Holznagel, E1; Yutzy, B1; Deslys, J-P2; Lasmézas, C2; Pocchiari, M3; Ingrosso, L3; Bierke, P4; Schulz-Schaeffer, W5; Motzkus, D6; Hunsmann, G6; Löwer, J1 1Paul-Ehrlich-Institut, Germany; 2Commissariat à l´Energie Atomique, France; 3Instituto Superiore di Sanità, Italy; 4Swedish Institute for Infectious Disease control, Sweden; 5Georg August University, Germany; 6German Primate Center, Germany

Background:

In 2001, a study was initiated in primates to assess the risk for humans to contract BSE through contaminated food. For this purpose, BSE brain was titrated in cynomolgus monkeys.

Aims:

The primary objective is the determination of the minimal infectious dose (MID50) for oral exposure to BSE in a simian model, and, by in doing this, to assess the risk for humans. Secondly, we aimed at examining the course of the disease to identify possible biomarkers.

Methods:

Groups with six monkeys each were orally dosed with lowering amounts of BSE brain: 16g, 5g, 0.5g, 0.05g, and 0.005g. In a second titration study, animals were intracerebrally (i.c.) dosed (50, 5, 0.5, 0.05, and 0.005 mg).

Results:

In an ongoing study, a considerable number of high-dosed macaques already developed simian vCJD upon oral or intracerebral exposure or are at the onset of the clinical phase. However, there are differences in the clinical course between orally and intracerebrally infected animals that may influence the detection of biomarkers.

Conclusions:

Simian vCJD can be easily triggered in cynomolgus monkeys on the oral route using less than 5 g BSE brain homogenate. The difference in the incubation period between 5 g oral and 5 mg i.c. is only 1 year (5 years versus 4 years). However, there are rapid progressors among orally dosed monkeys that develop simian vCJD as fast as intracerebrally inoculated animals.

The work referenced was performed in partial fulfilment of the study “BSE in primates“ supported by the EU (QLK1-2002-01096).

http://www.prion2007.com/pdf/Prion%20Book%20of%20Abstracts.pdf

look at the table and you'll see that as little as 1 mg (or 0.001 gm) caused 7% (1 of 14) of the cows to come down with BSE;

Risk of oral infection with bovine spongiform encephalopathy agent in primates

Corinne Ida Lasmézas, Emmanuel Comoy, Stephen Hawkins, Christian Herzog, Franck Mouthon, Timm Konold, Frédéric Auvré, Evelyne Correia, Nathalie Lescoutra-Etchegaray, Nicole Salès, Gerald Wells, Paul Brown, Jean-Philippe Deslys Summary The uncertain extent of human exposure to bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE)--which can lead to variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (vCJD)--is compounded by incomplete knowledge about the efficiency of oral infection and the magnitude of any bovine-to-human biological barrier to transmission. We therefore investigated oral transmission of BSE to non-human primates. We gave two macaques a 5 g oral dose of brain homogenate from a BSE-infected cow. One macaque developed vCJD-like neurological disease 60 months after exposure, whereas the other remained free of disease at 76 months. On the basis of these findings and data from other studies, we made a preliminary estimate of the food exposure risk for man, which provides additional assurance that existing public health measures can prevent transmission of BSE to man.

snip...

BSE bovine brain inoculum

100 g 10 g 5 g 1 g 100 mg 10 mg 1 mg 0·1 mg 0·01 mg

Primate (oral route)* 1/2 (50%)

Cattle (oral route)* 10/10 (100%) 7/9 (78%) 7/10 (70%) 3/15 (20%) 1/15 (7%) 1/15 (7%)

RIII mice (ic ip route)* 17/18 (94%) 15/17 (88%) 1/14 (7%)

PrPres biochemical detection

The comparison is made on the basis of calibration of the bovine inoculum used in our study with primates against a bovine brain inoculum with a similar PrPres concentration that was

inoculated into mice and cattle.8 *Data are number of animals positive/number of animals surviving at the time of clinical onset of disease in the first positive animal (%). The accuracy of

bioassays is generally judged to be about plus or minus 1 log. ic ip=intracerebral and intraperitoneal.

Table 1: Comparison of transmission rates in primates and cattle infected orally with similar BSE brain inocula

Published online January 27, 2005

http://www.thelancet.com/journal/journal.isa

It is clear that the designing scientists must

also have shared Mr Bradley’s surprise at the results because all the dose

levels right down to 1 gram triggered infection.

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/ws/s145d.pdf

6. It also appears to me that Mr Bradley’s answer (that it would take less than say 100 grams) was probably given with the benefit of hindsight; particularly if one considers that later in the same answer Mr Bradley expresses his surprise that it could take as little of 1 gram of brain to cause BSE by the oral route within the same species. This information did not become available until the "attack rate"

experiment had been completed in 1995/96. This was a titration experiment designed to ascertain the infective dose. A range of dosages was used to ensure that the actual result was within both a lower and an upper limit within the study and the designing scientists would not have expected all the dose levels to trigger infection. The dose ranges chosen by the most informed scientists at that time ranged from 1 gram to three times one hundred grams. It is clear that the designing scientists must have also shared Mr Bradley’s surprise at the results because all the dose levels right down to 1 gram triggered infection.

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/ws/s147f.pdf



http://madcowtesting.blogspot.com/2008/04/mbm-greaves-meat-offal-live-cattle.html



TSS

S. Harrison
 
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Anonymous

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Oldtimer said:
I e-mailed the fella-- see what I get back.... :???:

I got an answer and 23 pages of attachments-- I forwarded them on to the Canucks I had email addresses for-- gcreekrch and Mrs. Greg....If anyone else wants me to forward it to them PM me your e-mail address...Its going to take more looking at and pondering than I want to do on SuperBowl Sunday...
 

hypocritexposer

Well-known member
We're anxiously awaiting your unbiased opinion.

Quote:
stopping taking their toys until they could prove they were lead free-- and any of their food products until they could guarantee it all melamine free-and began requiring every product/packaged to be individually inspected and tested--it wouldn't be long until they'd be buying Cats for their country....


Quote:
Salmonella Update: Peanut Paranoia
Friday January 30, 2009

The Salmonella outbreak investigation has left me baffled, with non-matching strains of Salmonella and only one unopened tub of contaminated peanut butter identified. But recent reports of the poor sanitary measures taken at the peanut plant are making me sick to my stomach.

The latest count is over 500 infected with Salmonella enterica, serovar typhimurium, (a.k.a. Salmonella typhimurium) across 43 states (plus one in Canada), and 8 deaths linked to the infection.
 
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hypocritexposer said:
We're anxiously awaiting your unbiased opinion.

Well- I see Tammy Faye type tears, tinfoil hats, and black helicopters :wink: :lol: :p -- including an admitted very ill, supposedly employment connected- ex government contract worker (was working for Water Technology Interational of Burlington ON) -who sounds disgruntled over their handling of his illness-who besides other things, claims he was working with an Enviroment Canada employee who was an escaped murderer from an Arizona penitentiary- radioactive explosions (done to try and murder this complainant)- a project in Ontario they were all working on where they were experimenting with using cattle parts imported from Ireland to convert to oil- and some disgruntled ex Alberta employees that could have/alledgedly did transport some of the parts/cattle material to Alberta... :???: This project he claims was in 1998....

Any how- thats what I'm reading....I wish I could post some of the letters and notes on here- but don't know how/can't copy off Windows Picture and FAX viewer....

But if you want to PM me your e-mail- I'll forward the e-mail and the attachments...
 

gcreekrch

Well-known member
reader (the Second) said:
Oldtimer said:
hypocritexposer said:
We're anxiously awaiting your unbiased opinion.

Well- I see Tammy Faye type tears, tinfoil hats, and black helicopters :wink: :lol: :p -- including an admitted very ill, supposedly employment connected- ex government contract worker (was working for Water Technology Interational of Burlington ON) -who sounds disgruntled over their handling of his illness-who besides other things, claims he was working with an Enviroment Canada employee who was an escaped murderer from an Arizona penitentiary- radioactive explosions (done to try and murder this complainant)- a project in Ontario they were all working on where they were experimenting with using cattle parts imported from Ireland to convert to oil- and some disgruntled ex Alberta employees that could have/alledgedly did transport some of the parts/cattle material to Alberta... :???: This project he claims was in 1998....

Any how- thats what I'm reading....I wish I could post some of the letters and notes on here- but don't know how/can't copy off Windows Picture and FAX viewer....

But if you want to PM me your e-mail- I'll forward the e-mail and the attachments...


The red flags are coming up left and right on this one.

Whether there is any truth to this or not, the US govt would have put this guy away already. Permanently. I doubt NA was even concerned about BSE back then, wasn't 94 the year the US "lost" all those British imported cattle? There was a Can. herd that was killed because of the same shipment. Not sure of the year.
 

Kato

Well-known member
Here's a corporate profile of Water Technology International.

What would this company have to do with importing bits of Irish cattle??? They seem to be more in the wastewater management and polution control business.

INSTITUTIONAL PROFILE:
Water Technology International Corporation (WTI) is a privately held company which provides pollution prevention, control and remediation services. WTI also plays an active role in the development and commercialization of environmental technologies. With over 25 years' expertise as an environmental technology and services company, WTI employs more than 100 technical and professional staff in solving complex problems worldwide. Pollution prevention services are provided to industrial sector clients with a view to process improvements and product recovery. Pollution control expertise is applied to the optimization of water, wastewater and sewage treatment plants and the effective management of related infrastructure. Site remediation services focus on contaminated solids, sediments, and groundwater treatment. Residue management focuses on sludge management and waste containment. WTI's Environmental Chemistry laboratory offers analytical and quality control services to both internal and external clients.


INTERNATIONAL ACTIVITIES:
Water Technology International Corporation has an extensive history of working collaboratively with industry, universities, and international organization to develop new approaches and technologies for preventing environmental degradation. These joint ventures allow WTI scientists and engineers to work with other experts in the development and demonstration of state-of-the-art technology. Throughout the 1990's, WTI will intensify these pursuits both within Canada and internationally through increased skills transfer and the demonstration, evaluation, and commercialisation of treatment and remediation processes.

Here's another one - still no mention of cattle bits...........
Water Technology International Corp.

Water Technology International Corp. (WTI) is an employee-owned company which has a contract to operate Canada's Wastewater Technology Centre (WTC) in Burlington, Ontario. The WTC has been privately operated since 1991 and provides research and development, laboratory and consulting services to government and industry.

WTI's Site Remediation Division provides site assessment, site remediation and technology assessment services as well as conducting research and development (R&D). Some recent R&D projects have focused on advanced ultraviolet destruction systems, specialized bioventing, bioslurry treatment of soils and sediments and surfactant washing of PCBs. WTI has also operated the Gloucester, Ontario groundwater treatment plant for four years and completed technical audits of 55 remediation projects funded under the former National Contaminated Sites Remediation Program (NCSRP). Under the Development and Demonstration of Site Remediation Technologies (DESRT) program, WTI developed the Site Remediation Treatment Technology (REMTEC) Database which contains information on over 500 technologies.
 

hypocritexposer

Well-known member
OT, is this guy talking about you?

I am presently transfering the information I have to a retired police officer who has begun to post the information on an Albertan Cattlemans site. He will review the information in a police investigative way.

This was posted by MCA at CattleToday.
 

Big Muddy rancher

Well-known member
hypocritexposer said:
OT, is this guy talking about you?

I am presently transfering the information I have to a retired police officer who has begun to post the information on an Albertan Cattlemans site. He will review the information in a police investigative way.

This was posted by MCA at CattleToday.

:roll: :roll:
 
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Anonymous

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hypocritexposer said:
OT, is this guy talking about you?

I am presently transfering the information I have to a retired police officer who has begun to post the information on an Albertan Cattlemans site. He will review the information in a police investigative way.

This was posted by MCA at CattleToday.

Yeah- I saw that--not sure... I've traded e-mails with him - and he says he has several Canadians looking into it, so it could be one of them...
He's not too happy with my skepticism- and I think it could be easier followed up by someone north of the 49th that better understands all these Canuck organizations he talks of....
 

Kato

Well-known member
If this is an illegal act he's trying to attract attention to, why isn't he talking to a non-retired police officer? :? :? :? I would think a call to the RCMP would be more appropriate, as well as a call to the CFIA.

This whole thing is really weird.
 
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Kato said:
If this is an illegal act he's trying to attract attention to, why isn't he talking to a non-retired police officer? :? :? :? I would think a call to the RCMP would be more appropriate, as well as a call to the CFIA.

This whole thing is really weird.

He apparently has- and the head of your meat export board....
 
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