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RoperAB

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If I heard it right, from what I can gather Harpers new budget includes something like 24 billion for the military.
They did not really report on the news how this was to be spent but they did mention that they were going to enlarge the Armed Forces by 23,000 new men.
If this Minority government budget passes it will be a step in the right direction.
So far the Bloc <Quebec> is the only ones saying they support the Conservatives budget.
 

Mrs.Greg

Well-known member
RoperAB said:
If I heard it right, from what I can gather Harpers new budget includes something like 24 billion for the military.
They did not really report on the news how this was to be spent but they did mention that they were going to enlarge the Armed Forces by 23,000 new men.
If this Minority government budget passes it will be a step in the right direction.
So far the Bloc <Quebec> is the only ones saying they support the Conservatives budget.
I heard the same on news tonight.. enlarge and add equipment,good budget what I heard of it
 

RoperAB

Well-known member
Broke Cowboy said:
RoperAB said:
BC
We just got a minority Conservative government up here. Harpers first budget comes out this week. Look for things to be changing up here for the better.
Not all Canadians are Liberals. Especially in Alberta!

I know more about where you are from than you might think my friend

B.C.

Canada does not have equal representation in the federal government. If Quebec and Ontario vote one way and the rest of the country votes another way. Quebec and Ontario will form the Federal government.
Alberta has never gone liberal in the last 96years.
In the last federal election every single riding in AB went Conservative.
 

RoperAB

Well-known member
Mrs.Greg said:
RoperAB said:
If I heard it right, from what I can gather Harpers new budget includes something like 24 billion for the military.
They did not really report on the news how this was to be spent but they did mention that they were going to enlarge the Armed Forces by 23,000 new men.
If this Minority government budget passes it will be a step in the right direction.
So far the Bloc <Quebec> is the only ones saying they support the Conservatives budget.
I heard the same on news tonight.. enlarge and add equipment,good budget what I heard of it

The upsetting thing is that it takes years to get new gear. Example If you order new helicopters today your not going to be able to take delivery of them until 5 years from now. This is the mess that thirty years of Liberalism has left our soldiers in.
Dont get me wrong, bringing home our boys is not an option.
It just frustrates me so much that our boys are not better equiped with the best of everthing.
 

Silver

Well-known member
RoperAB said:
Mrs.Greg said:
RoperAB said:
If I heard it right, from what I can gather Harpers new budget includes something like 24 billion for the military.
They did not really report on the news how this was to be spent but they did mention that they were going to enlarge the Armed Forces by 23,000 new men.
If this Minority government budget passes it will be a step in the right direction.
So far the Bloc <Quebec> is the only ones saying they support the Conservatives budget.
I heard the same on news tonight.. enlarge and add equipment,good budget what I heard of it

The upsetting thing is that it takes years to get new gear. Example If you order new helicopters today your not going to be able to take delivery of them until 5 years from now. This is the mess that thirty years of Liberalism has left our soldiers in.
Dont get me wrong, bringing home our boys is not an option.
It just frustrates me so much that our boys are not better equiped with the best of everthing.

Well I'm no liberal, but correct me if I'm wrong... seems to me all those years under that big chinned, forked tongued Irishman as much for the downfall of the Canadian military as anyone. There has been a long line of governments that can share in the responsibility.
 

nonothing

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First off I am sorry you have so much pent up anger Broke cowboy,and even more so i provoked it..If what you say is truth,and you seem to think you know best,I ask this?If war is going to be nucular,what is the use of the soldier for?If what you say is true and we are going to be attacked,would not tring to find a peaceful solution be just?If what you say is true,what are new helicopters and better guns going to do?If what you say is true,Would the money not be better spent trying to find ways to end war?If what you say is true,what is your solution?You judged me by my words so i will do the same by yours.You made me out to be a canaduhian,what makes you so much wiser?Knowledge is power,enlighten me oh judgementle one.
 

Broke Cowboy

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nonothing said:
First off I am sorry you have so much pent up anger Broke cowboy,and even more so i provoked it..If what you say is truth,and you seem to think you know best,I ask this?If war is going to be nucular,what is the use of the soldier for?If what you say is true and we are going to be attacked,would not tring to find a peaceful solution be just?If what you say is true,what are new helicopters and better guns going to do?If what you say is true,Would the money not be better spent trying to find ways to end war?If what you say is true,what is your solution?You judged me by my words so i will do the same by yours.You made me out to be a canaduhian,what makes you so much wiser?Knowledge is power,enlighten me oh judgementle one.

Quite all right - I expect someone who lives in Lotus Land to think differently - but to whine about it and not acknowledge what I wrote is even more proof of the same.

My anger was not pent up - I let it out! :D As for you being the point of contact - yup - and you darned well deserved it for your comments.

If you had had something important to say, I am sure you would have stated it loud and clear in this, your latest signal.

You asked why we are in this war and I initially gave you a flippant answer - here is one that is a bit more serious.

What I meant by nuke was more than simply dropping what you think of as the A bomb. It will eventually involve the dirty bomb. If it goes even bigger - well, then it will get nastier. But do not think for a minute that we are not all at risk.

But you live in the land of milk and honey and probably figure this can simply be legislated against.

Any person who thinks the soldier is passe is quite out of touch with reality - as you seem to be. So, let's not go there today.

A peaceful solution is always the best way. But it can only be found if both sides want peace. You do not seem to understand that the average radical terrorist in the middle east does NOT WANT peace. He and now even she (although this is definitely against the writings in the Koran) want the evil westerner to die.

They are quite prepared to continue klilling us - and even their own people to accomplish this. The average day in the middle east usually includes many dead Muslims - killed by their own.

In fact if you would like to research their mentaility you can quite easily find video of them beheading their captives on the net. If you like, you can turn the sound up so you can hear how the victim feels.

By the way, it is done with a knife and some serious sawing action - not with an axe. Much like cutting up a big roast. These are the type of folks you will be seeing much more of over the next few years. Lots of them reside in Cana-DUH and the U.S. as I write. Do not watch if you have a weak stomach - but western militaries deal with this on a daily basis.

As for me being judgemental - well I would suppose that it is true. I have judged you and found you wanting. You are indeed a typical Cana-DUH resident. You fell for the Chretien political actions, you cried over the RCMP deaths, complained about parole board tactices and yet you did nothing - and I noticed you did not respond to those questions I put to you in my first response to your whining. Yet again proving my point.

That tells you me you are quite willing to debate by proxy and not by fact.

I figure you can come back and tell me I am a bad person, but it is folks like me that made it safe for folks like you. Unfortunately what is happening, is you wasted our efforts and have become complacent in your life.

Now you cannot understand why the world is changing and potentially becoming more dangerous. You hope it will not come to you. But, it will someday - and I suspect you will be found lacking and others will have to put themselves at risk - to protect you and folks just like you. .

Go look up Kipling and read the poem Tommy. You might learn something.

It comes down to this - Peace can only be had if both parties want peace. This is not the case. Friday prayers in Tehran are always ended by mass chanting of "Death to America and Death to Westerners". Not the type of folks that want to sit down for tea and conversation. They want you dead or Islamic. No options.

I think I once also asked you - have you ever offered a solution? No response to this either.

The olive branch has been extended to these folks many times - but they return it bent and broken - not interested.

When you deal with folks like this you do it one way - the way only way they understand. With your knee in their chest and your knife at their throat. And even then you - especially you - will be surprized at the response sometimes.

The wolf may or may not be at the door, but you definitely are not prepared in either case.

In closing, this is an ancient religion and an ancient society. It once was a leader in commerce, engineering, medicine and so on. If you study their past you will realize they should have been far ahead of the society we know today in the western world.

Why did it fail?

Their religion dictated all of their decisions. To the point of self destruction of their entire way of life. Why do you think the devout and hard line Muslim still lives in squallor today? Their hatred of our way of life is all they have left to cling to - and their leaders who live in luxury are quite happy to channel their hatred into something that focues outside their country - rather than at the leadership itself. Easy to make someone hate someone else or something else. It takes generation upon generation to change that.

You have had enough lessons for the day - I do not take back any of the names I stated that you may be. I now believe even more strongly that my first impression of you was correct.

I think I will put you on my ignore list.

B.C.
 

RoperAB

Well-known member
Silver said:
RoperAB said:
Mrs.Greg said:
I heard the same on news tonight.. enlarge and add equipment,good budget what I heard of it

The upsetting thing is that it takes years to get new gear. Example If you order new helicopters today your not going to be able to take delivery of them until 5 years from now. This is the mess that thirty years of Liberalism has left our soldiers in.
Dont get me wrong, bringing home our boys is not an option.
It just frustrates me so much that our boys are not better equiped with the best of everthing.

Well I'm no liberal, but correct me if I'm wrong... seems to me all those years under that big chinned, forked tongued Irishman as much for the downfall of the Canadian military as anyone. There has been a long line of governments that can share in the responsibility.

Liberal helicopters Canada’s greatest political scandal enlarges
by : 19/05/2003

While Liberal leadership hopefuls line up praising their Government’s past performance, or distancing themselves altogether from Chrétien’s legacy, the PM continues to fan the flames of this country’s greatest political scandal. Adding more fuel is Chrétien’s nephew Raymond Chrétien.


To begin the former Mulroney Government ordered military helicopters from an Anglo-Italian consortium in the early 90’s. When Mulroney retired the reins were passed to Kim Campbell. During the 1993 election Chrétien was looking for a defining election issue and chose the helicopter contract to attack Campbell. He called the helicopters the “Cadillacs” of the air vowing to cancel the contract.

When elected, true to his word, Chrétien cancelled the deal costing taxpayers some $500 million in penalties returning the military to continued use of the unreliable and dangerous ancient sea kings helicopters.

Scandalous doesn’t adequately describe choosing political interests over the Nation’s interests. It remains the most outrageous example of Chrétien yielding to person and party before country or the safety and success of our military - it gets worse.

In a transparent attempt to conceal the political nature of cancelling the contract Chrétien divided the tendering process of the same helicopters into separate airframe and avionics contracts This proved to be impossible to let so they went back to the original spceficiations.

Enter Raymond Chrétien, our Ambassador to France who, following meeting with Eurocopter France wrote a letter to Uncle Chrétien requesting the Government change the helicopter specifications to open the bidding to more contractors.

The military originally chose a 3 engine chopper that could fly even if one engine failed, Eurocopters products only have 2 engines. To accommodate Raymond the specs have now been changed.

Liberals today have sacrificed their duty to this country choosing instead to perpetuate the validity of a decision that was driven entirely for selfish political purposes. It is a disgrace.

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Mrs.Greg

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nonothing,I really feel you need to go back and read Broke Cowboys last two posts to you.Calm down,don't be pe-od when you read them and you just might get what hes saying.

I'm starting to regret posting this thread :(
 

Broke Cowboy

Well-known member
Mrs.Greg said:
nonothing,I really feel you need to go back and read Broke Cowboys last two posts to you.Calm down,don't be pe-od when you read them and you just might get what hes saying.

I'm starting to regret posting this thread :(

I figure one should never apologize for starting a thread - they take on a life of their own.

B.C.
 

Mrs.Greg

Well-known member
CattleRMe said:
Here I have been gone a few days and dang it if you all didn't hush someone again............... :x
I can see why sometimes Soapweed calls you CattleArmy,honestly nobody wanted to hush nonothing,I just didn't think he was reading what Broke Cowboy was saying...grrr sometimes I even get ticked on here!
 

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