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I wonder how all this will effect the cattle run into the states IF Rule 2 goes into effect :???: If their are no slaughterplants wanting to kill OTM's in Canada- will it cheapen these cattle, there in turn cheapening the US cull market if they try to send all to the US for slaughter-- all the while it makes the US the dumping ground of all the Canuck diseased SRM's - raising the risk to US cattlemen :???: :( :mad: :mad:

It may not only be devastating to the Canadian slaughter industry- but to the US cattle industry.....

Wake up USDA and dump Rule 2......



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Who will slaughter cattle over 30 months of age?

The day is fast approaching when some abattoirs may refuse to process older cattle because of the costs associated with separating specified risk materials



by DON STONEMAN

Better Farming

AgMedia Inc.

April 2007

Vankleek Hill, Ontario

Canada



By mid-May, or perhaps earlier, some producers will find that their local abattoirs won’t kill cattle over 30 months of age any longer, warns the Ontario Independent Meat Processors (OIMP).



Specified risk materials (SRMs) from older cattle must be segregated from the rest of the cattle packing industry’s waste stream and, for some abattoirs, the cost will be prohibitive, says Dave Tiller, the OIMP’s technical director.



On July 12, Canada will invoke “enhanced” feed rules for dealing with rendered materials in order to fulfill obligations made to the World Organization for Animal Health (OIE). Meat and bone meal made with SRMs won’t be allowed in pig or poultry rations, nor in fertilizer or pet foods. The July deadline is “immovable,” warns Paul Stiles, assistant general manager of the Ontario Cattlemen’s Association.



The deadline for processors is sooner. Packing plants must begin segregation by May 12. Renderers say it will take two months to get the old rendered material through their systems.



Specified risk materials include the skulls, brains, eyes, tonsils and spinal cords of cattle aged 30 months or older, and part of the small intestines of cattle of all ages. Deadstock will also be directed into the SRM stream as well.



The issue is staring the processing industry squarely in the face. The federal government set aside $8 million last year to deal with the issue, but nothing has been done with the money so far. “There is no infrastructure or logistics existing right now,” says Tiller, and the industry is at the “eleventh hour.”



At the Ontario Cattlemen’s Association annual meeting in February, provincial agriculture minister Leona Dombrowsky said Ontario will participate in a federal-provincial program to help the processing industry adjust to the new federal SRM regulations. “That was the highlight of the meeting,” Stiles says. At deadline, Alberta also appeared ready to sign on to the program.



There are other implications when the Americans open their border to cattle over 30 months of age. Canada is banning SRMs from feed and fertilizer because it wants “controlled risk” status, as designated by the OIE. The United States is not segregating SRMs from packing plants, notes Laurie Nichol, executive director of the independent meat packers. “They don’t have BSE.”



Slaughter costs will be lower in American plants and Canadian packers will be at a cost disadvantage once the Americans adopt Rule 2 and open the border to sales of cattle over 30 months of age. “This will be devastating for our industry,” Nichol says.



Gencor kills mostly cattle over 30 months of age and is the “major SRM producer in the province,” says managing director Darryl Robinson, He says Gencor will be at a competitive disadvantage if the border opens and American packers begin importing older Canadian cattle.



In 2005, member countries of the OIE agreed to revise the three definitions of risk categories for countries affected by BSE. The three definitions are negligible risk, controlled risk and undetermined risk of cattle being infected with the fatal brain-wasting disease that can be spread to humans.



‘“Controlled risk’ is a desirable status to have internationally,” says the OCA’s Stiles, and keeping SRMs that might spread BSE out of animal feeds and fertilizer is a way to get that status. Dropping to an ‘undetermined risk’” status would be costly, Stiles warns. Moreover, adds Brian Evans, Canada’s chief veterinarian, “there would be repercussions” both internationally and domestically. Countries that have already opened their borders to some Canadian beef products might “rethink” their position and even Canadian consumers might lose confidence.



Furthermore, a controlled risk status puts Canada in a position to take trade action against countries that don’t allow beef trade to resume, Evans says.



Stiles notes that there is a much larger amount of SRMs in cattle more than 30 months old and picking it up will require either a separate pickup or a truck with separate bins.



Landfilling is a short-term option for dealing with SRMs, says Tiller, who has been part of a working group looking at the issue. SRMs must be segregated from other offals, dyed and stored in separate labelled containers. Some abattoirs will be able to compost the materials, but management is a problem and a permit from the Ontario agriculture ministry may be required. “There are some grey areas,” Tiller says.



In the long term, one option may be to render the SRMs and deadstock separately from other inedible slaughter waste and burn them in cement plant furnaces at high temperatures, Tiller says.



In 2006, provincially licensed abattoirs produced 2,500 tonnes of SRMs, says Leslie Woodcock, manager of animal health and welfare for the Ontario agriculture and food ministry. She estimates that federal plants in Ontario produce 600-700 tonnes of SRMs a week.



Bovine deadstock volumes have totalled 18,000-20,000 tonnes annually in recent years. The volume will go down as the cost of off-farm disposal increases, and farmers dispose of deadstock themselves, she says.



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Big Muddy rancher

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OT ,Rule 2 requires the cattle to be born after 1999. Since we only have at the most 3 years of cattle age verufied most OTM will have to go south as meat. Our new SRM rules make us less competative with the USA.

We take the precautions and still get pooped on by OT.
 
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Big Muddy rancher said:
OT ,Rule 2 requires the cattle to be born after 1999. Since we only have at the most 3 years of cattle age verufied most OTM will have to go south as meat. Our new SRM rules make us less competative with the USA.

We take the precautions and still get pooped on by OT.

How many of Canada's positives have been born after the USDA's "miracle March 1999 date" :???:

I believe it was 4 with one only being 4 years old- with the USDA saying that Canada will continue to have/find these cattle for 20 years....
And evidence that the current Canadian feedban did not/is not working... :( :mad:

We shouldn't become the "dumping ground" for Canada's SRM's - and we shouldn't have to put in added US restrictions just so Canada has an export market....We shouldn't be taking OTM cattle until Canada can prove that this NEW feedban is working... :( :mad:
 

Bill

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Oldtimer:
blah blah blah.....CANADA....blah blah blah....... FEEDBAN.....blah blah blah.... BSE.......blah blah blah.......SHIRT TAILS....blah blah blah.....BORDER

Oldtimer on another website:

Willowcreek posted Apr 15, 2007 16:48
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jensend--"the rest of the world knows the usa has bse, it's only americans who are in denial about it"....

That is correct- but we have a viable domestic market and don't have to export all our product in order to exist...If we didn't import/export we can easily consume all we produce...

But Canada does need to export- and the only market they have now is the US, which is the the reason I can't see any Canadian producer (which I'm not even sure Saskartoon is) supporting the Packer Mafia and opposing testing- private or government- and opening up other markets...

The stories about the Canadian birth cohort coming to the US have been in the papers for 2 weeks and still are daily...(I've seen 20-30 different articles in every type publication from farm/ranch, consumer, science religious- let alone just the daily/weekly newspapers)... Again furthering the perception amongst Americans that Canada is a haven of diseased cattle/beef...

And just like with the Chinese wheat gluten imported by the Canuck based company that killed all the dogs-- many are now questioning- Why are we importing beef/cattle? Why are we importing wheat product? Why do we import something we already produce- and have an excess of, when we have no controls over these foreign governments and their health requirements or inspections...And now on top of everything else it appears as tho the Canuck CEO kept quiet about the danger so he could cash in and sell a bunch of his Company stock in a Cover Your Assets move....

Already legislation being enacted for M-COOL on all pet foods also...

Its going to be an interesting Congress and interesting Farm Bill...And right now USDA/FDA are just scrambling to keep their butts afloat...
Then we're only 1 1/2 years away from an election that I think will turn into one of the biggest overreact elections ever against the current globalist/corporate bought administration...

Believe me if/when a native case of vCJD shows up in North America- especially if its in the US-the media will go nuts with it-- and public outcry will demand that the border will be padlocked and it will be years before it is reopened...

...and Oldtimer is still running around like the OVI flapping his arms and gums trying to make sure it happens. :roll: :roll:
 
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Bill- You're kind of like ol Saskartoon-- you'd rather I tiptoe thru the tulips with you and tell you what you want to hear- but I won't lie to you and do that...

You just remember what I predicted in that thread...

I was right before about the US Congress (Senate) stopping the USDA's OTM border opening, I was right about the Nov elections and the defeat of many of the global traders, I am already being proven right on the dogfood uproar- and the negative response to imported food products...
 

Sandhusker

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BMR, "Since we only have at the most 3 years of cattle age verufied most OTM will have to go south as meat. "

What does the USDA accept for verification?
 

Bill

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Geez OVI. Here you are once again flapping your gums to what you hope is another expanded audience. Funny how not many buy into your BS on that site either.

http://cattletoday.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=34144

They say you can tell a lot about a rancher by his fences and the attention to detail he keeps. After visiting your website it looks like you would be better off spending more time looking after them and less time thumping your chest trying to convince everyone how right you are.
 
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Bill said:
Geez OVI. Here you are once again flapping your gums to what you hope is another expanded audience. Funny how not many buy into your BS on that site either.

http://cattletoday.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=34144

They say you can tell a lot about a rancher by his fences and the attention to detail he keeps. After visiting your website it looks like you would be better off spending more time looking after them and less time thumping your chest trying to convince everyone how right you are.

The place might not be pretty enough for you- but its bought and paid for... :wink:
And while you worry about what I do-and have to attack me, because you can't attack the facts- but you hide in your anonymity- not even proud enough to put down where you live... :roll: :wink: :lol:
 

Manitoba_Rancher

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Oldtimer,

Checked out your website looks good. I think Ive asked before but it doesnt mention anything about cattle on your website. :???: If your so proud of your cattle and and ranch why dont you mention them on there?? :???:
 
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Manitoba_Rancher said:
Oldtimer,

Checked out your website looks good. I think Ive asked before but it doesnt mention anything about cattle on your website. :???: If your so proud of your cattle and and ranch why dont you mention them on there?? :???:

Guess I was prouder of the kids, grandkids, and horses-eh :wink: :lol: :lol:
 

Sandhusker

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Bill said:
Sandhusker said:
Wouldn't it make more sense to test the animal and lower the SRM rules on the materials that have passed?

Yes!

I guess I never have accused the OIE of being a vessel of common sense.....

Bill, do you realize that we have agreed for two weeks in a row now? What kind of strom are we brewing up? I'm doubling my insurance....... :lol:
 
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