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Canadians Ban Free Speech.

aplusmnt

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Mogal brought this up on another thread but I think it is important enough to have its own one.

It would be interesting to see what the Canadians think of an important issue in there home country. And is important to us in the U.S. because all the things happening in more Liberal Countries seem to make there way eventually here. Like the banning of guns, or same sex marriage.


Government to pastor: Renounce your faith!
Now banned from expressing moral opposition to homosexuality


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Posted: June 09, 2008
10:00 pm Eastern

© 2008 WorldNetDaily

A Canadian human rights tribunal ordered a Christian pastor to renounce his faith and never again express moral opposition to homosexuality, according to a new report.

In a decision dated May 30 in the penalty phase of the quasi-judicial proceedings run by the Alberta Human Rights Tribunal, evangelical pastor Stephen Boisson was banned from expressing his biblical perspective of homosexuality and ordered to pay $5,000 for "damages for pain and suffering" as well as apologize to the activist who complained of being hurt.

According to a report from Pete Vere at the Catholic Exchange, the penalty could foreshadow the possible fate of the Rev. Alphonse de Valk, who also cited the biblical perspective on homosexuality in the nation's debate over same-sex "marriage" and now faces HRC charges.

Boisson wrote a letter to the editor of his local Red Deer, Alberta, newspaper in 2002 denouncing the advance of homosexual activism as "wicked" and stating: "Children as young as five and six years of age are being subjected to psychologically and physiologically damaging pro-homosexual literature and guidance in the public school system; all under the fraudulent guise of equal rights."

The activist, local teacher Darren Lund, filed a complaint, and the guilty verdict from Lori G. Andreachuk, a lawyer, was handed down Nov. 30, 2007. The latest decision involved the penalty phase of the trial.

"While agreeing that Boisson's letter was not a criminal act, the government tribunal nevertheless ordered the Christian pastor to [stop expressing his opinion]," Vere reported.

Andreachuk noted that Lund, who brought the complaint, wasn't, in fact, injured.

"In this case there is no specific individual who can be compensated as there is no direct victim who has come forward," she wrote.

However, that did not stop her from ordering the payment anyway.

And as for the future, she wrote:

"Mr. Boissoin and The Concerned Christian Coalition Inc. shall cease publishing in newspapers, by e-mail, on the radio, in public speeches, or on the Internet, in future, disparaging remarks about gays and homosexuals. Further, they shall not and are prohibited from making disparaging remarks in the future about … Lund or … Lund's witnesses relating to their involvement in this complaint. Further, all disparaging remarks versus homosexuals are directed to be removed from current Web sites and publications of Mr. Boissoin and The Concerned Christian Coalition Inc.," the lawyer opined.

Andreachuk also ordered Boissoin to apologize for the original letter in the Red Deer Advocate and told the two "offenders" to pay $5,000.

The apology letter, Vere said, "threatens civil liberties in Canada, according to Ezra Levant, an author and lawyer who himself was targeted by an HRC attack."

"[The] government now believes that if it can't convince a Christian pastor that he's wrong, it will just order him to condemn himself?" Levant wrote on his blog. "Other than tribunals in Stalin's Soviet Union and Mao's China, where is this Orwellian 'order' considered to be justice?"

"This is like a Third World jail-house confession – where accused criminals are forced to sign false statements of guilt,"
Levant wrote. "We don’t even 'order' murderers to apologize to their victims' families. Because we know that a forced apology is meaningless. But not if your point is to degrade Christian pastors."

"In essence, the Alberta Human Rights Tribunal is ordering to the minister to renounce his Christian faith, since his opposition to homosexuality is based upon the Judeo-Christian Bible," Vere wrote.

WND reported recently about de Valk, the target of a Human Rights Commission case over his biblical references regarding homosexuality.

"Father [de Valk] defended the [Catholic] Church's teaching on marriage during Canada's same-sex 'marriage' debate, quoting extensively from the Bible, the Catechism of the Catholic Church, and Pope John Paul II's encyclicals. Each of these documents contains official Catholic teaching. And like millions of other people throughout the world and the ages – many of whom are non-Catholics and non-Christians — Father believes that marriage is an exclusive union between a man and a woman," Vere wrote.

Vere raised the question that Canada now considers morality a "hate crime."

"If one, because of one's sincerely held moral beliefs, whether it be Jew, Muslim, Christian, Catholic, opposes the idea of same-sex marriage in Canada, is that considered 'hate'?" he asked.

Vere wrote that the response he got from Mark van Dusen, a spokesman for the federal human rights prosecution office, shocked him.

The government agent confirmed the agency investigates complaints but doesn't set public policy or moral standards. He said the agency job is to look at the circumstances and decide whether to advance it or dismiss it.

What is shocking about that, Vere wrote, is the admission that unjustified complaints can be dismissed, yet the case against de Valk has continued now for more than six months.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=66704

 

aplusmnt

Well-known member
Surprises me that there is no response to this Political event in Canada by the Canadians on here? :?

If this happened in the U.S. we would be burning up the phone lines to discuss it on here!

Is Freedom of religion or freedom of speech not an important part of your Constitution or or of grave concern to you guys? :shock:
 

Mrs.Greg

Well-known member
Thinking Kola needs some extra change,I've been goggling Canadas loss of Freedom of Speech,weird can't find it....hmmm :???:

I remember reading about the topic a few weeks ago,not sure which paper I read it in BUT the impression I was under was the Catholic magazine plus a number of other backers were spreading HATE messages against Homosexuals,by emails,letters to editors,plus. If I'm correct The Father was warned a number of times{ and }I "think" fined"} about his messages.I don't believe in spreading hate against any group. Guess thats what gives me the Lib. lable.

I also have a hard time with a "group" whining every time something they perceive is a case against their human rights.I do have an issue with morality going down the toilet and that our children are exposed to sooooo much of this kind of stuff.It looks to me that parents now a days if they're up to it,have to work way harder to keep morality alive,because obviously the media isn't doing anything to support it.
 

aplusmnt

Well-known member
Mrs.Greg said:
Thinking Kola needs some extra change,I've been goggling Canadas loss of Freedom of Speech,weird can't find it....hmmm :???:

I remember reading about the topic a few weeks ago,not sure which paper I read it in BUT the impression I was under was the Catholic magazine plus a number of other backers were spreading HATE messages against Homosexuals,by emails,letters to editors,plus. If I'm correct The Father was warned a number of times{ and }I "think" fined"} about his messages.I don't believe in spreading hate against any group. Guess thats what gives me the Lib. lable.

I also have a hard time with a "group" whining every time something they perceive is a case against their human rights.I do have an issue with morality going down the toilet and that our children are exposed to sooooo much of this kind of stuff.It looks to me that parents now a days if they're up to it,have to work way harder to keep morality alive,because obviously the media isn't doing anything to support it.

From what I read above there is two different cases, one was a Catholic Priest and another a Pastor from a separate denomination. One speaking out against Gay marriages and the other on the damages of Homosexual activist.

This is a huge ruling (at least it would be in the U.S.)

This Tribunal is crapping all over your

Freedom of Religion
Freedom of Speech
Freedom of Press

To say a pastor can not talk against Homosexuality in any forum, no website, no email, no magazine, and NO PUBLIC SPEAKING.

Do you Canadians not hold those freedoms sacred? First you gave up your guns and now you are going to set by and watch your Freedom of Speech, Religion and Press be taken away with out even a recognition of it being wrong?

This should be the biggest News to hit Canada since they started taking away your guns! Scary Scary! I feel for you even if you do not feel for your self! Once things like this happen you are just a skip and step away from Communist rule, Take the guns then the Freedom of speech and it is all over!

The fact you can not find much to read about it is the scariest thing of all!
 

kolanuraven

Well-known member
Why don't you go and visit Mrs Greg on your Canadian adventure? I'll wager that you'd get an ear full of FREE SPEECH.


I'll bet that there's a gun in her house also!! I'll even go as far to say MORE THAN ONE .


I'm sure she'd gladly show you!! :roll: :roll: :roll:
 

Mrs.Greg

Well-known member
aplusmnt said:
Mrs.Greg said:
Thinking Kola needs some extra change,I've been goggling Canadas loss of Freedom of Speech,weird can't find it....hmmm :???:

I remember reading about the topic a few weeks ago,not sure which paper I read it in BUT the impression I was under was the Catholic magazine plus a number of other backers were spreading HATE messages against Homosexuals,by emails,letters to editors,plus. If I'm correct The Father was warned a number of times{ and }I "think" fined"} about his messages.I don't believe in spreading hate against any group. Guess thats what gives me the Lib. lable.

I also have a hard time with a "group" whining every time something they perceive is a case against their human rights.I do have an issue with morality going down the toilet and that our children are exposed to sooooo much of this kind of stuff.It looks to me that parents now a days if they're up to it,have to work way harder to keep morality alive,because obviously the media isn't doing anything to support it.

From what I read above there is two different cases, one was a Catholic Priest and another a Pastor from a separate denomination. One speaking out against Gay marriages and the other on the damages of Homosexual activist.

This is a huge ruling (at least it would be in the U.S.)

This Tribunal is crapping all over your

Freedom of Religion
Freedom of Speech
Freedom of Press

To say a pastor can not talk against Homosexuality in any forum, no website, no email, no magazine, and NO PUBLIC SPEAKING.

Do you Canadians not hold those freedoms sacred? First you gave up your guns and now you are going to set by and watch your Freedom of Speech, Religion and Press be taken away with out even a recognition of it being wrong?

This should be the biggest News to hit Canada since they started taking away your guns! Scary Scary! I feel for you even if you do not feel for your self! Once things like this happen you are just a skip and step away from Communist rule, Take the guns then the Freedom of speech and it is all over!

The fact you can not find much to read about it is the scariest thing of all!
A few weeks ago I was takin to task because I blew up at you because I felt you were baiting me. The person I think alot of felt you were joking. I decieded right then and there I will not get into another match with you,I'm sticking to my guns. I've held back on a number of issues on here because agreeing to disagree should be an option and alot easier on friendships.

I'm on dial-up,its not unusual for my computer to freeze when looking something up...FRUSTRATING. Not remembering which newspaper I read the artical in really isn't a crime but mostly I was Googling your Headline. That to me was mouse bait.Spreading hate should be regulated IMHO.
You feel I should get up in arms about this yet the only person on here that took on flounder{whos spreading hate about the cattle industry here on ranchers,AND anywhere else he can}left the board because his own country men and fellow cattle raisers didn't back him. :???:

Kolas right...we have a cabinet full of guns,and as for Banning Freedom of Speech is a new law in Canada,I'm calling Bullshite.
 

aplusmnt

Well-known member
kolanuraven said:
Why don't you go and visit Mrs Greg on your Canadian adventure? I'll wager that you'd get an ear full of FREE SPEECH.


I'll bet that there's a gun in her house also!! I'll even go as far to say MORE THAN ONE .


I'm sure she'd gladly show you!! :roll: :roll: :roll:

How about your share your views on the issue instead of your views on how Mrs Greg thinks of me?

Would you be outraged if a Pastor was told by the courts that he could not preach in any forum against Homosexuality? Would you be scared to see these freedoms taken away?

This is a big and important issue and I think you Pro gay people are not viewing it as wrong since it furthers your homosexual agenda!

Our Revolutionary war was fought over issues like this!
 

kolanuraven

Well-known member
aplusmnt said:
kolanuraven said:
Why don't you go and visit Mrs Greg on your Canadian adventure? I'll wager that you'd get an ear full of FREE SPEECH.


I'll bet that there's a gun in her house also!! I'll even go as far to say MORE THAN ONE .


I'm sure she'd gladly show you!! :roll: :roll: :roll:

How about your share your views on the issue instead of your views on how Mrs Greg thinks of me?

Would you be outraged if a Pastor was told by the courts that he could not preach in any forum against Homosexuality? Would you be scared to see these freedoms taken away?

This is a big and important issue and I think you Pro gay people are not viewing it as wrong since it furthers your homosexual agenda!

Our Revolutionary war was fought over issues like this!


I have yet to understand why you are sooo frickin' scared of gay people.


It's pretty well known here by all that I don't hold much for ANY preacher/ priest, etc.

If anyone wants to read the Bible...let'em as they can read....they don't need a ' middle man' to read it to them and translate his version to them.

If you want to read ANY book of religion, do it yourself and understand it for yourself and your life, not the way some fat guy in suit on a fancy stage sees it.


I'm don't think I'm Pro Gay...or Anti Gay.....but I am PRO " Minding your own Business" for damn sure!



And one more thing......when did we fight for ' gay' issues in the Rev. War? :roll: :roll: :roll:
 

aplusmnt

Well-known member
Mrs.Greg said:
aplusmnt said:
Mrs.Greg said:
Thinking Kola needs some extra change,I've been goggling Canadas loss of Freedom of Speech,weird can't find it....hmmm :???:

I remember reading about the topic a few weeks ago,not sure which paper I read it in BUT the impression I was under was the Catholic magazine plus a number of other backers were spreading HATE messages against Homosexuals,by emails,letters to editors,plus. If I'm correct The Father was warned a number of times{ and }I "think" fined"} about his messages.I don't believe in spreading hate against any group. Guess thats what gives me the Lib. lable.

I also have a hard time with a "group" whining every time something they perceive is a case against their human rights.I do have an issue with morality going down the toilet and that our children are exposed to sooooo much of this kind of stuff.It looks to me that parents now a days if they're up to it,have to work way harder to keep morality alive,because obviously the media isn't doing anything to support it.

From what I read above there is two different cases, one was a Catholic Priest and another a Pastor from a separate denomination. One speaking out against Gay marriages and the other on the damages of Homosexual activist.

This is a huge ruling (at least it would be in the U.S.)

This Tribunal is crapping all over your

Freedom of Religion
Freedom of Speech
Freedom of Press

To say a pastor can not talk against Homosexuality in any forum, no website, no email, no magazine, and NO PUBLIC SPEAKING.

Do you Canadians not hold those freedoms sacred? First you gave up your guns and now you are going to set by and watch your Freedom of Speech, Religion and Press be taken away with out even a recognition of it being wrong?

This should be the biggest News to hit Canada since they started taking away your guns! Scary Scary! I feel for you even if you do not feel for your self! Once things like this happen you are just a skip and step away from Communist rule, Take the guns then the Freedom of speech and it is all over!

The fact you can not find much to read about it is the scariest thing of all!
A few weeks ago I was takin to task because I blew up at you because I felt you were baiting me. The person I think alot of felt you were joking. I decieded right then and there I will not get into another match with you,I'm sticking to my guns. I've held back on a number of issues on here because agreeing to disagree should be an option and alot easier on friendships.

I'm on dial-up,its not unusual for my computer to freeze when looking something up...FRUSTRATING. Not remembering which newspaper I read the artical in really isn't a crime but mostly I was Googling your Headline. That to me was mouse bait.Spreading hate should be regulated IMHO.
You feel I should get up in arms about this yet the only person on here that took on flounder{whos spreading hate about the cattle industry here on ranchers,AND anywhere else he can}left the board because his own country men and fellow cattle raisers didn't back him. :???:

Kolas right...we have a cabinet full of guns,and as for Banning Freedom of Speech is a new law in Canada,I'm calling Bullshite.

I can assure you I am not baiting you or trying to bash Canada. I think this is an important issue rather in Canada or the U.S. When court can tell a Pastor what they can teach in ANY forum that is a scary precedent to set. And it appears to be happening a second time with the catholic Priest.

To teach what the Bible says is not Hate speech, to talk out against Homosexual marriage is not Hate Speech.

Hate Speech would be to say we need to get a baseball bat and beat the heads in of all Gays. To preach the word of God is not Hate speech. Or to give ones opinion on homosexual rights is not Hate speech.

Seldom are liberties taken away all at once, they are slowly taken until one day we wake up and realize we have no freedoms.

If you Canadians do not see this as a big issue, that scares me!
 

Mrs.Greg

Well-known member
The Bible is interpeted dfferntly by a number of Churches.I work with a homecare client thats Evangelical....Trust me her interpetation of the Bible is Worlds away from mine.One of the most negative nasty rightous people I've ever ran across.God Fearing is not in my vocabulary its more God loving.
 

aplusmnt

Well-known member
You and Kolan are both missing the issue it is about Freedom of Speech and Press as much as Freedom of Religion!

It is about classifying something as Hate Speech so to limit the talking point and opportunity of debate.

But never mind, you have a major precedent being set here in your Country that affects Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Press and Freedom of Religion and you are more concerned about how someone interprets the Bible in regards homosexuals :roll:

When all along the point is, based on this ruling you may not have the RIGHT to interpret the Bible as you see fit, or if you do you do not have the right to speak about it! :roll:
 

nonothing

Well-known member
Aplus I have posted a few Canadian issues both in here and coffee shop of late none of which you posted in .....As far as this goes it was a quasi-judicial proceeding.....All penalities and awards can be overturned by the supreme court ,which the has final say.
 

aplusmnt

Well-known member
nonothing said:
Aplus I have posted a few Canadian issues both in here and coffee shop of late none of which you posted in .....As far as this goes it was a quasi-judicial proceeding.....All penalities and awards can be overturned by the supreme court ,which the has final say.

Sorry I do not drink coffee so seldom hang out in Coffee shop :wink:

I will check out your threads here on political bull, but have to be in morning I am wore out and tired. Going to bed early.

As for the Supreme court overturning this current court case in Canada, hopefully you do not have a Liberal Supreme court, but they should never have to over turn it. The lower courts should not be classifying a pastor preaching the message found in the Bible as Hate speech.

You guys have slippery slope going on with this issue, but you just do not seem very worried about it. Guess you are willing to give up your civil liberties and freedoms for anything Homosexual. Shame you are heading down an area of Pro Gay, but Anti Free Speech, but they are your priorities not mine.
 

aplusmnt

Well-known member
Mrs.Greg said:
Aplus...can you please find an artical that says Freedom of Speech banned in Canada. Then we'll talk.

Read that article in my first post, and that is exactly what is being done in these cases. The Tribunal ruled against his Freedom of Religion, Speech and Freedom of Press as being a hate crime.

By order of the Tribunal

"Mr. Boissoin and The Concerned Christian Coalition Inc. shall cease publishing in newspapers, by e-mail, on the radio, in public speeches, or on the Internet, in future, disparaging remarks about gays and homosexuals. Further, they shall not and are prohibited from making disparaging remarks in the future about … Lund or … Lund's witnesses relating to their involvement in this complaint. Further, all disparaging remarks versus homosexuals are directed to be removed from current Web sites and publications of Mr. Boissoin and The Concerned Christian Coalition Inc.,"


The Courts interpret the laws of the land. Hopefully this will go to your Supreme Court and be over ruled, but as of now the precedent has been set and Freedom of religious expression, speech and Press has took a step backwards.
 

Mrs.Greg

Well-known member
This should clear it up for you Aplus

ANTI-HATE LEGISLATION IN CANADA

In Canada, public expressions of racial hatred are the subject of a combination of federal and provincial statutes, involving both civil and criminal sanctions. The provisions which have attracted the most attention are those contained in the Canadian Criminal Code.[7] The Code contains three offences that deal with hate propaganda. The most important of these provisions is section 319(2):[8]

Every one who, by communicating statements, other than in private conversation, wilfully promotes hatred against any identifiable group is guilty of

(a) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for two years; or

(b) an offence punishable on summary conviction.

Section 319(3) provides for certain defences based on the desire to protect freedom of expression, including truth, religious opinion in good faith, and the public interest. The consent of the relevant provincial Attorney General is required for prosecution under this section.[9]

Various forms of hate propaganda are also unlawful and a basis for complaint under the federal Human Rights Act 1977, and anti-discrimination legislation in several provinces.

Section 13 of the Canadian Human Rights Act 1977 identifies as a "discriminatory practice" the repeated communication by telephone of `hate messages', that is, "any matter that is likely to expose a person or persons to hatred or contempt by reason of the fact that that person or those persons are identifiable on the basis of a prohibited ground of discrimination."

Provincial legislation dealing with aspects of hate propaganda ranges form the broadf to the very limited. An example of the former is section 14(1) of the Saskatchewan Human Rights Code[10]

No person shall publish or display ... any representation ...:

(a) tending or likely to tend to deprive, abridge or otherwise restrict the enjoyment by any person or class of persons of any right to which he is or they are entitled under law; or

(b) which exposes, or tends to expose, to hatred, ridicules, belittles, or otherwise affronts the dignity of any person, any class of persons or a group of persons;

because of his or their race, creed, religion, colour, sex, sexual orientation, family status, marital status, disability, age, nationality, ancestry, place of origin or receipt of public assistance.
 

PrairieQueen

Well-known member
Interesting opinion piece from the Denver Post regarding this issue:

When "tolerance" trumps freedom
David Harsanyi
Article Last Updated: 06/16/2008 07:32:36 PM MDT

Canada has a lot to answer for: Rush, Celine Dion, Barenaked Ladies, Tom Green and Howie Mandel, to name a few. But its latest transgression is serious.

In certain parts of Europe, "hate speech" already is a criminal act. When the late journalist and author Oriana Fallaci wrote books critical of Islam in 2002, she was sued in France. Later, Swiss and Italian judges ordered her to stand trial for "defaming Islam."

In France, Brigitte Bardot — the former film starlet turned animal rights activist — has been convicted five times of "inciting racial hatred." In one instance, her crime was writing a letter to French officials, objecting to the ritual slaughter of sheep by Muslims.

Sheep to the slaughter, sadly, is a perfect analogy for European states that allow Muslim activist groups — which rarely object to the near-complete lack of freedom of expression in the Islamic world — to dictate what is and isn't tolerable speech.

But Canada?

The Mark Steyn affair is the most disturbing demonstration of the creeping authoritarianism of political correctness — not only because of Canada's geographical proximity but also its moral proximity.

Steyn is a U.S.-based journalist, columnist and best-selling author of "America Alone: The End of the World as We Know It," a book that deals with demographics and Muslim influence in the Western world. Not only is Steyn's work widely read, his opinions — whether you find them agreeable or not — are also worthy of debate.

Yet when Maclean's, the largest-circulation magazine in Canada, published a Steyn essay based on "America Alone," it sparked a volley of suits and a vile legal ordeal.

First, the Ontario Human Rights Commission held a tribunal and deemed Steyn's essay "Islamophobic." Now, the British Columbia human rights commission in Vancouver has held a week-long trial on the matter. A federal commission is waiting on investigators to decide whether to proceed against Steyn.

Me? I'm a bureaucrophobe. The thought of government speech detectives hitting the pavement (or perhaps Google) to discern which words are suitable public discourse is an odious one. In Canada's case, hate speech need only undermine the "sense of dignity and self-worth" of any designated group.

"Mr. Steyn would have us believe that words, however hateful, should be given free reign," explained Jennifer Lynch, chief commissioner of the Canadian Human Rights Commission. "History has shown us that hateful words sometimes lead to hurtful actions that undermine freedom and have led to unspeakable crimes. That is why Canada and most other democracies have enacted legislation to place reasonable limits on the expression of hatred."

History also has taught us that when government begins shielding the public from (so-called) ugly thoughts, free people do not remain free for much longer. And the powerful typically have a highly twisted concept of what speech is offensive.

Available for purchase right now at Amazon.ca (Canada's version of Amazon.com), for example, are "Mein Kampf" by Adolf Hitler (in paperback!), "Essential Works of Lenin," and "Quotations from Chairman Mao Tsetung."

All of those authors also exhibited a discriminating eye for dangerous speech.

You know, for the people.

But, as we know, the right not to be offended is not a human right. After all, the "hate" speech canard is brandished so regularly in political discourse these days, we'll all be criminals soon enough. (For instance, I just compared the Canadian Human Rights Commission to a bunch of Nazis and Commies.)

Scouring the U.S. Constitution, one can see that free speech is not contingent on making the masses feel loved or to foster their dignity.

So let's hope Canada's idea of "tolerance" is relegated to life up north.

http://www.denverpost.com/opinion/ci_9605039
 

MoGal

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Aplus.... its the sign of the times. In order for the "masses" to accept global government, they must desensitize their morals, character and integrity. Christians know we've got spiritual warfare going on. .... Jesus is light and the devil works in teh darkness. The devil is trying to come to light..... and then to be a Christian you will have to work in the darkness (meaning that you won't be able to freely talk about Jesus Christ as the son of God who died on the cross for our sins).

The bible talks about ten nations (think of the ten "unions" i.e. North American Union, European Union, et al) and as soon as the ten are formed then 3 of them are expunged.

After Revelation 3, Christians will be gone and many pastors who preach on Revelations/end times are saying there is nothing left (to be fulfilled) for the rapture to happen. However, none of us know the date or the hour, HOWEVER, God always prepares his kids for what is happening and he backs it up in the old and the new testament.

I posted a thread on the United Nations and their goals and it went right over the head of many, that the United Nations is the main artery and these other groups (trilateral commission, council of foreign relations, Ford Foundation, Peta, etc...) are the veins to supply the UN. The UN goals are one world global government.

I look for their to be nuclear warfare (or massive earthquakes as NASA is already predicting for 2012) sometime between 2012 and 2016 and the rapture will happen and the "masses" will accept that all these people disappeared during that catastrophe.

I also think the "new Babylon" that is in Revelations 16 and 18 is the United States.

This country had christian leaders who formed this country based on morals, character and integrity. We've gotton so far away from it, evil is good and good is evil and God punished Sodom and Gomorrah so what makes anyone think the US is any different.

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Just another note aplus....... it was on the show "spiritual warfare" that Connecticut has a state bill for "transgender" .
This bill if passed will set a precedence for other states to pass as well..........
The bill gives preferences (much the same as minorities receive) to a transgendered person........ and the public will have to accept them ........ if a person is Mr. Jones today and decides they want to be Ms. Jones tomorrow then its perfectly okay and they will be teaching your children that its perfectly okay. Can you imagine a school teacher of transgender preference??? This also means they have job hiring preference as well......
I'll do a search for it when I get back but its garden working time now.
 

Mrs.Greg

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:shock: I heard theres some special weddings taking place in California......whats next...Loss Of Freedom Of Speech...... :shock: :shock:


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