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Cash for Clunkers Helps Ford July Sales Rise

hypocritexposer

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What will happen to Ford sales after the program ends?

Are they not concentrating quite a few of their possible sales into ashorter timeframe/window?
 

Sandhusker

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If promoting energy efficient vehicles was a focus, why couldn't I trade in a pickup making 15 mpg for a 2007 compact that makes 25?
 

Sandhusker

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reader (the Second) said:
There are several criteria -- it's a clunker and it's not energy efficient. A new car is not a clunker.

If your "clunker" had low enough MPG, you could of traded for a Hummer. I'd hesitate to call a Hummer energy efficient.

I'm just trying to point out that the environmental deal is more of a smoke screen than an actual serious criteria. It's the sugar sprinkles that were put on this turd prior to declaring it a danish. It was a disingenous way to get support from the greenies.
 

aplusmnt

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reader (the Second) said:
The market rose again and I am thinking about making purchases I have put off for months.

That is exactly why we will see a growth and and end to the recession eventually people like you have to quit putting off purchases, you have to start spending again or everything will be worn out. That is why most recession only last about 18 months!

And when we see that growth Obama will not be the saviour for it, it will be a natural cycle of economics!

Funny how you actually showed why the economy will grow within your own post and probably have no idea how that economic snowball works!
 

aplusmnt

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reader (the Second) said:
I believe that this program will be continued and will be seen as a success.

How can it be a success, picking winners and losers is not a success it is just picking sides. I have two friends that own use car lots, they will be the loser for it! I have one friend that owns a salvage yard he will be the loser for it. I have another friend that owns portable crushing machine that crushes cars he will be the loser. I have another friend that owns a parts store he will be the loser for it. I have another friend that has a Auto repair shop he will be the loser for it!

I have one relative that works at a new car plant, he will be the winner for it!

Dang I am sounding like R2 here, never realized I had so many redneck friends! :lol:
 

Tam

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What is going to happen in say a month or so when the money is gone and everyone that could afford a new car has now bought one? Could this plan not be limiting future sales of new cars by boosting sales now? What is going to happen to those that under no curcumstance could afford a NEW car like the teenager or college students, or the people on welfare, or the elderly living on SS. They may have been able to afford to upgrade to a better used car but now that all these so called clunkers are being destroyed how are they going to upgrade to a car getting better gas mileage. You see these cars are not being sold as "used" cars they are being DESTROYED which affects anothers sector within the car industry.
 

hypocritexposer

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So if the Cash for Clunkers program is helping Ford sales, does this mean that there is a boycott of GM, due to the bailout?

SAN FRANCISCO -- General Motors Co. said Monday that July U.S. sales fell 19.4% to 189,443 vehicles from a year ago. U.S. July car sales fell 20.8% to 83,376 vehicles and truck sales declined 18.3% to 106,067 vehicles. Chevrolet fared the best with a 9.3% sales decline to 124,948 vehicles, and Saturn sales plunged the most, down 66.1% to 5,968 vehicles.

http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/industries/transportation/general-motors-july-sales-fall/
 
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Anonymous

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hypocritexposer said:
So if the Cash for Clunkers program is helping Ford sales, does this mean that there is a boycott of GM, due to the bailout?

SAN FRANCISCO -- General Motors Co. said Monday that July U.S. sales fell 19.4% to 189,443 vehicles from a year ago. U.S. July car sales fell 20.8% to 83,376 vehicles and truck sales declined 18.3% to 106,067 vehicles. Chevrolet fared the best with a 9.3% sales decline to 124,948 vehicles, and Saturn sales plunged the most, down 66.1% to 5,968 vehicles.

http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/industries/transportation/general-motors-july-sales-fall/

Would you buy from a Company that may not be around months from now?
I don't think there is any real boycott- just folks worried about GM's future- and once they get their feet on the ground again- things will be back to normal....
I sure don't see myself ever buying a Ford again....Never did have one worth a darn....
 

backhoeboogie

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Broke Cowboy said:
Cash for clunkers may sound good - but it is not going to last forever.

Where is that money coming from folks?

BC

A few of the dealerships have over $300K worth of IOU's from Uncle Sam. They are no longer honoring the deal until the government comes up to speed.
 

backhoeboogie

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Oldtimer said:
Would you buy from a Company that may not be around months from now?
I don't think there is any real boycott- just folks worried about GM's future- and once they get their feet on the ground again- things will be back to normal....
I sure don't see myself ever buying a Ford again....Never did have one worth a darn....

I don't consider myself a socialist and will never condone such actions. Fords will be my choice.
 

aplusmnt

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Oldtimer said:
I don't think there is any real boycott- just folks worried about GM's future- and once they get their feet on the ground again- things will be back to normal....

Back to normal is going broke! GM has been doing terrible for a decade maybe longer! Back to normal means we will be bailing them out again in 10 years! :roll:
 

aplusmnt

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backhoeboogie said:
Oldtimer said:
Would you buy from a Company that may not be around months from now?
I don't think there is any real boycott- just folks worried about GM's future- and once they get their feet on the ground again- things will be back to normal....
I sure don't see myself ever buying a Ford again....Never did have one worth a darn....

I don't consider myself a socialist and will never condone such actions. Fords will be my choice.

Same here! I have always been Chevy man, but I will either buy Ford or Toyota in future! They should be rewarded for making it on their own!
 
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backhoeboogie said:
Oldtimer said:
Would you buy from a Company that may not be around months from now?
I don't think there is any real boycott- just folks worried about GM's future- and once they get their feet on the ground again- things will be back to normal....
I sure don't see myself ever buying a Ford again....Never did have one worth a darn....

I don't consider myself a socialist and will never condone such actions. Fords will be my choice.

You apparently won't drive a Dodge either? Or fly on an airline or ride on a train :???:
They were all bailed out by the Government....

On September 7, 1979, The Chrysler Corporation petitioned the United States government for US$1.5 billion in loan guarantees to avoid bankruptcy. At the same time former Ford executive Lee Iacocca was brought in as CEO.

The United States Congress reluctantly passed the "Chrysler Corporation Loan Guarantee Act of 1979" (Public Law 96-185) on December 20, 1979 (signed into law by President Jimmy Carter on January 7, 1980), prodded by Chrysler workers and dealers in every congressional district who feared the loss of their livelihoods. The military then bought thousands of Dodge pickup trucks which entered military service as the Commercial Utility Cargo Vehicle M-880 Series. With such help and a few innovative cars (such as the K-car platform), especially the invention of the minivan concept, Chrysler avoided bankruptcy and slowly recovered.

In February 1982 Chrysler announced the sale of Chrysler Defense, its profitable defense subsidiary to General Dynamics for US$348.5 million. The sale was completed in March 1982 for the revised figure of US$336.1 million.

By 1983, the loans were fully repaid, several years ahead of time, resulting in a profit of $350 million to the U.S. government.
 

aplusmnt

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Oldtimer said:
backhoeboogie said:
Oldtimer said:
Would you buy from a Company that may not be around months from now?
I don't think there is any real boycott- just folks worried about GM's future- and once they get their feet on the ground again- things will be back to normal....
I sure don't see myself ever buying a Ford again....Never did have one worth a darn....

I don't consider myself a socialist and will never condone such actions. Fords will be my choice.

You apparently won't drive a Dodge either? Or fly on an airline or ride on a train :???:
They were all bailed out by the Government....

On September 7, 1979, The Chrysler Corporation petitioned the United States government for US$1.5 billion in loan guarantees to avoid bankruptcy. At the same time former Ford executive Lee Iacocca was brought in as CEO.

The United States Congress reluctantly passed the "Chrysler Corporation Loan Guarantee Act of 1979" (Public Law 96-185) on December 20, 1979 (signed into law by President Jimmy Carter on January 7, 1980), prodded by Chrysler workers and dealers in every congressional district who feared the loss of their livelihoods. The military then bought thousands of Dodge pickup trucks which entered military service as the Commercial Utility Cargo Vehicle M-880 Series. With such help and a few innovative cars (such as the K-car platform), especially the invention of the minivan concept, Chrysler avoided bankruptcy and slowly recovered.

In February 1982 Chrysler announced the sale of Chrysler Defense, its profitable defense subsidiary to General Dynamics for US$348.5 million. The sale was completed in March 1982 for the revised figure of US$336.1 million.

By 1983, the loans were fully repaid, several years ahead of time, resulting in a profit of $350 million to the U.S. government.

I am not backhoe, but I would not own a dodge either, and when I can make an educated choice rather it be what air line to fly on or what candy bar to chose I would never pick one that is bailed out if I have another choice! And no way I would ride on Amtrak, they are a welfare poster child!

Wont bank at any banks that took bail out money, wont buy gas at Citgo.

We have to have some standards in life or what kind of person are we?
 

aplusmnt

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Also will not ever put money in any Bonds in the future either! Socialist Obama messed up that system so why take a chance!
 
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Anonymous

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aplusmnt said:
Oldtimer said:
backhoeboogie said:
I don't consider myself a socialist and will never condone such actions. Fords will be my choice.

You apparently won't drive a Dodge either? Or fly on an airline or ride on a train :???:
They were all bailed out by the Government....

On September 7, 1979, The Chrysler Corporation petitioned the United States government for US$1.5 billion in loan guarantees to avoid bankruptcy. At the same time former Ford executive Lee Iacocca was brought in as CEO.

The United States Congress reluctantly passed the "Chrysler Corporation Loan Guarantee Act of 1979" (Public Law 96-185) on December 20, 1979 (signed into law by President Jimmy Carter on January 7, 1980), prodded by Chrysler workers and dealers in every congressional district who feared the loss of their livelihoods. The military then bought thousands of Dodge pickup trucks which entered military service as the Commercial Utility Cargo Vehicle M-880 Series. With such help and a few innovative cars (such as the K-car platform), especially the invention of the minivan concept, Chrysler avoided bankruptcy and slowly recovered.

In February 1982 Chrysler announced the sale of Chrysler Defense, its profitable defense subsidiary to General Dynamics for US$348.5 million. The sale was completed in March 1982 for the revised figure of US$336.1 million.

By 1983, the loans were fully repaid, several years ahead of time, resulting in a profit of $350 million to the U.S. government.

I am not backhoe, but I would not own a dodge either, and when I can make an educated choice rather it be what air line to fly on or what candy bar to chose I would never pick one that is bailed out if I have another choice! And no way I would ride on Amtrak, they are a welfare poster child!

Wont bank at any banks that took bail out money, wont buy gas at Citgo.

We have to have some standards in life or what kind of person are we?

Well you better check out where any of your steel products come from for your Fords- or on which railways they were shipped- or who financed them- or which coal mines provide the power for their factories too while your at it.... :wink:

Historically- going back to the 1800's- the Feds have not only taken stakes in banks, steel mills, and coal mines but have even seized control of everything from railways to savings and loans- and at one time during WWII even took over control of Montgomery Ward for a period of time...
 
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