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Catholic Hypocrisy

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Anonymous

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I have a problem with Catholics saying they oppose the ACA because of religious reasons/contraception when 68% of Catholic women use some form of contraception that falls under the ACA's payment...

Reeks of Hypocriticism....

The data listed in the Guttmacher report, meanwhile, referred to current contraceptive use among “sexually active women who are not pregnant, post-partum or trying to get pregnant.” That is a smaller universe of women, and it shows that 68 percent of Catholic women used what are termed “highly effective methods:” 32 percent sterilization; 31 percent pill; five percent IUD.

Again, only two percent currently used natural family planning. Interestingly, 11 percent used nothing, even though they were not trying to get pregnant. Four percent were placed in an “other” category, which mainly consisted of “withdrawal,” which is also not accepted by the Catholic Church as a birth-control method.

The data also indicated there were relatively few differences among women of different religions in terms of the contraception method that was used. Evangelicals appeared more likely to rely on sterilization, but almost no one used “natural” family planning.

Jones noted that there has long been data showing that Catholic women are avid users of artificial contraception. The first NSFG survey, which in 1973 was administered only to married women, shows that 66.4 percent of all married Catholic women of child-bearing age at the time used contraception.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/the-claim-that-98-percent-of-catholic-women-use-contraception-a-media-foul/2012/02/16/gIQAkPeqIR_blog.html

I remember back in the election of 08- even many women posting on the blogs that identified themselves as Republican and Catholics ran from Palins wanting to do away with/limit sex education and contraceptive methods....

Times are changing- even amongst the women in the Catholic Church... How many can afford a dozen kids anymore... :???: I know of lifetime Catholic ladies that had abortions... One had multiple...
 

cowman52

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If the Catholic church can have sex, get pregnant, have a child, then hypocrites they are until then they are preaching to the masses to do what you should. If the congreation doesnt follow, it ain't the churches fault.
 
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cowman52 said:
If the Catholic church can have sex, get pregnant, have a child, then hypocrites they are until then they are preaching to the masses to do what you should. If the congreation doesnt follow, it ain't the churches fault.

Yep-- and those masses of the congregation shouldn't be using the argument that they oppose the ACA law because of it goes anti to their beliefs when the majority of them aren't following those beliefs in the first place.... :roll:
 

Tam

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cowman52 said:
If the Catholic church can have sex, get pregnant, have a child, then hypocrites they are until then they are preaching to the masses to do what you should. If the congreation doesnt follow, it ain't the churches fault.

Don't worry Cowman this is just Oldtimer trying to distract the issue from this. :wink:

One is a world leader who has been praised for his humility and outlook on the world.

The other is an American president, once the international superstar of the political stage.

So it is no surprise that President Barack Obama has travelled to the Vatican in Rome possibly to get some tips from the popular Pope Francis who now even has own weekly glossy magazine.


But his hopes of learning a thing or two from the 'Francis effect' may have been dashed after both parties released very different statements about their first meeting this morning.


Obama stressed their common ground over issues of poverty and inequality while Vatican officials emphasised sharp differences over abortion and birth control.

Obama is telling the press one story while the Vatican is telling a different. :roll:

And like the liberal Oldtimer is he can not admit the stories don't match and the with Obama's history of LYING the likely truth teller is the Much Respected Vatican not his hero. So The Catholics are the BAD GUYS. :roll:
 

Mike

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Oldtimer said:
cowman52 said:
If the Catholic church can have sex, get pregnant, have a child, then hypocrites they are until then they are preaching to the masses to do what you should. If the congreation doesnt follow, it ain't the churches fault.

Yep-- and those masses of the congregation shouldn't be using the argument that they oppose the ACA law because of it goes anti to their beliefs when the majority of them aren't following those beliefs in the first place.... :roll:

Hey Einstein, the case heard before SCOTUS the other day wasn't about ALL contraceptives. Hobby Lobby was all for some types of contraceptives being covered by health insurance.

The ones they did not feel that met their religious beliefs were the "abortion" types. "Morning After Pill", etc, etc. :roll:
 

Tam

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Oldtimer said:
cowman52 said:
If the Catholic church can have sex, get pregnant, have a child, then hypocrites they are until then they are preaching to the masses to do what you should. If the congreation doesnt follow, it ain't the churches fault.

Yep-- and those masses of the congregation shouldn't be using the argument that they oppose the ACA law because of it goes anti to their beliefs when the majority of them aren't following those beliefs in the first place.... :roll:


So Oldtimer if the Catholic Church is somehow limiting a woman's right to access Birth control because they will not pay for ALL methods of Birth Control including those that ABORT A FETUS, is Obama limiting everyone right to access a doctor because his policies do not pay for ALL DOCTORS?
 

iwannabeacowboy

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These idiots cry about not having all forms of birth control, but not only limit your doctor Tam, but limit access to life saving treatment, and medications.

Generic medications are skyrocketing as we speak thanks to Zerocare. There was a pharmacist talking about 700% increase in one month on one drug alone, with no other cause, but due to Zerocare. He said many more will follow.
 

Tam

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There is story after story about how Cancer Patients have lost their Doctors and their abilities to go to top notch Cancer Hospitals because they lost their insurance that did pay for them due to Obamacare and their new OBAMACARE POLICIES will not cover them but there is not a word from the likes of Oldtimer it is all about the fact the Catholics will not provide UNLIMITED ACCESS TO EVERY CHOICE OF BIRTH CONTROL FREE OF CHARGE.

These hypocrites, Oldtimer included, should be more worried about lifesaving treatments but they are to busy worrying about forcing the Catholic Church into killing innocent fetuses. :mad:
 

hypocritexposer

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Tam said:
There is story after story about how Cancer Patients have lost their Doctors and their abilities to go to top notch Cancer Hospitals because they lost their insurance that did pay for them due to Obamacare and their new OBAMACARE POLICIES will not cover them but there is not a word from the likes of Oldtimer it is all about the fact the Catholics will not provide UNLIMITED ACCESS TO EVERY CHOICE OF BIRTH CONTROL FREE OF CHARGE.

These hypocrites, Oldtimer included, should be more worried about lifesaving treatments but they are to busy worrying about how to kill innocent fetuses. :mad:

They are more worried about putting duplicating the expense of such abortions and abortion pills too.

That way their friends in the Democrat party can skim more off the top.

The Hobby Lobby case is as Mike mentioned, and it has nothing to do with taking the rights of a woman away...she can still go buy the abortion/abortion drugs herself, or go down to the local Planned Parenthood and have the taxpayer pay for them.

It is more about taking away someone else's rights...
 

iwannabeacowboy

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Drove by a Hobby Lobby, screwamerica.org had paid two full time protestors to sit out in front of hobby lobby with a sign that said labor dispute. Wish I had time to carry a sign with true information.
 

littlejoe

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Tam said:
There is story after story about how Cancer Patients have lost their Doctors and their abilities to go to top notch Cancer Hospitals because they lost their insurance that did pay for them due to Obamacare and their new OBAMACARE POLICIES will not cover them but there is not a word from the likes of Oldtimer it is all about the fact the Catholics will not provide UNLIMITED ACCESS TO EVERY CHOICE OF BIRTH CONTROL FREE OF CHARGE.

These hypocrites, Oldtimer included, should be more worried about lifesaving treatments but they are to busy worrying about forcing the Catholic Church into killing innocent fetuses. :mad:

gotta say, it sure boggles my mind how somebody with totally free, anything you need, anytime you want it, health care can get so incensed about somebody else's business......idle hands, I guess
 

hypocritexposer

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littlejoe said:
Tam said:
There is story after story about how Cancer Patients have lost their Doctors and their abilities to go to top notch Cancer Hospitals because they lost their insurance that did pay for them due to Obamacare and their new OBAMACARE POLICIES will not cover them but there is not a word from the likes of Oldtimer it is all about the fact the Catholics will not provide UNLIMITED ACCESS TO EVERY CHOICE OF BIRTH CONTROL FREE OF CHARGE.

These hypocrites, Oldtimer included, should be more worried about lifesaving treatments but they are to busy worrying about forcing the Catholic Church into killing innocent fetuses. :mad:

gotta say, it sure boggles my mind how somebody with totally free, anything you need, anytime you want it, health care can get so incensed about somebody else's business......idle hands, I guess



You seem to be fairly ignorant on what our Canadian Health Care pays for...
 

Tam

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littlejoe said:
Tam said:
There is story after story about how Cancer Patients have lost their Doctors and their abilities to go to top notch Cancer Hospitals because they lost their insurance that did pay for them due to Obamacare and their new OBAMACARE POLICIES will not cover them but there is not a word from the likes of Oldtimer it is all about the fact the Catholics will not provide UNLIMITED ACCESS TO EVERY CHOICE OF BIRTH CONTROL FREE OF CHARGE.

These hypocrites, Oldtimer included, should be more worried about lifesaving treatments but they are to busy worrying about forcing the Catholic Church into killing innocent fetuses. :mad:

gotta say, it sure boggles my mind how somebody with totally free, anything you need, anytime you want it, health care can get so incensed about somebody else's business......idle hands, I guess

Well that proves you should not listen to what Oldtimer spews. Do yourself a favor before making another ignorant comment do some research. :roll:

A Canadian study released Wednesday found that many provinces in our neighbor to the North have seen patients fleeing the country and opting for medical treatment in the United States.

The nonpartisan Fraser Institute reported that 46,159 Canadians sought medical treatment outside of Canada in 2011, as wait times increased 104 percent — more than double — compared with statistics from 1993.

Specialist physicians surveyed across 12 specialties and 10 provinces reported an average total wait time of 19 weeks between the time a general practitioner refers a patient and the time a specialist provides elective treatment — the longest they have ever recorded.

“In some cases, these patients needed to leave Canada due to a lack of available resources or a lack of appropriate procedure/technology,” according to the Institute. “In others, their departure will have been driven by a desire to return more quickly to their lives, to seek out superior quality care, or perhaps to save their own lives or avoid the risk of disability.”

http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/11/report-thousands-fled-canada-for-health-care-in-2011/

The problems with “universal” health care aren’t confined to Britain. Canada’s single-payer, government-run system — where any private health care is outlawed under the Canada Health Act — is similarly failing its patients.

The Health Council of Canada recently surveyed over three thousand patients and found that those with chronic illnesses like high blood pressure or heart disease were largely dissatisfied with the medical care they received. Less than half of respondents with such conditions reported that the care they received was excellent or very good.

But aren’t they getting it for free? Shouldn’t they be grateful?

Not really. Despite the massive taxes Canadians remit to finance universal care, they still must pay out of pocket for some services. Nearly a quarter of chronically ill respondents said that they had skipped their medications or neglected to fill a prescription because it was too expensive.

Further, many Canadians travel to the United States and pay out of pocket for treatments and procedures, as they feel the wait in Canada is too long and harmful to their health.

The American health system is far from perfect. But it’s wrong to think that government can fix it. The socialized systems found up North or across the Atlantic are proof. We need more market forces in our medical sector — not more government controls.

Sally C. Pipes is President, CEO, and Taube Fellow in Health Care Studies at the Pacific Research Institute.

And I read in the new Frazer report that wait times in the Canadian hospitals are LONGER Pee Wee and I can prove they are longer than 6 months that they claim they are as I had to wait over 7 months for a surgery that both my doctors told me I needed ASAP. So Please don't spew the Free Canadian Healthcare crap again OK.

And just so you know I have family in the US and my daughter works in a US hospital so stick it if you don't like the fact I do not want the US to endure what we do because the Liberals down there do not want to face the facts of SOCIALIZED HEALTHCARE. :roll:
 

Brad S

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If a church teaches against gluttony, but 85 % of parishioners overeat on Super Bowl Sunday, would they reek of hypocriticism? (Whatever hypocriticism is) Confucius say: it better to make up words to insinuate falsehood then to use English and tell outright lies.


Obama should have said " if you like your doctor then you can keep yoir tractor. But I think the commiebastards like telling obvious lies.
 

Tam

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Brad S said:
If a church teaches against gluttony, but 85 % of parishioners overeat on Super Bowl Sunday, would they reek of hypocriticism? (Whatever hypocriticism is) Confucius say: it better to make up words to insinuate falsehood then to use English and tell outright lies.


Obama should have said " if you like your doctor then you can keep yoir tractor. But I think the commiebastards like telling obvious lies.

The thing is Obama knew back in 2010 when he argued the point with Eric Cantor that people were going to lose their insurance as he excused it by saying those that did lose their insurance would find better insurance on his exchanges. Then he spent the next couple years (those during the election) claiming that if you liked your insurance you can keep it PERIOD. When people started receiving their cancelation letters he was caught up in his campaign lie so he tried to say he didn't say what he said and tried to change his lie to, well you can keep your insurance if HE LIKED IT.

The maddening thing is the amount of time the media tried to claim he did not out right lie when video after video of him saying IF YOU LIKE YOUR INSURANCE YOU CAN KEEP IT PERIOD were a 3 second internet search away to prove them wrong. He didn't know, He misspoke, He was mis quoted, the excuses went on and on to cover the fact HE LIED. HE IS A LIAR. The man would not know the truth if it walked up and slapped him and his defenders like Oldtimer keep making fools out of themselves trying to cover up the facts. PERIOD.

Obama does not care what the long held Religious beliefs of the Catholic Church are, all that matters to him is what HE WANTS. The US Constitution does not matter, it is all about what HE WANTS and the likes of Oldtimer will defend him even if it means destroying the US right along with their own credibility. :roll:
 

BRG

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I am a Catholic and I strongly appose ACA for several reasons, but yes 1 of them is definitely because it forces a business to go against its faith. If Suzy down the street is a catholic, but doesn't follow the teachings, that is between her and the good Lord. But if I follow the teachings and am forced to go against it by the government, that is wrong. There are wars in the world for forcing someone to go against their faith. I will stand with the Lord every time.
 

Larrry

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The thing that is so silly of the left. The Catholic religion is being pushed to the side for ACA. Some leftwingernuts see that some Catholic do not follow the church in lockstep that gives them the authority to force all the Catholics to follow ACA and abandon their religious beliefs.
Stupid leftwingernuts
 

loomixguy

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BRG said:
There are wars in the world for forcing someone to go against their faith. I will stand with the Lord every time.

And Obama has publicly stated that he will "stand with the Muslims".......and he bends over for them, too.
 

Tam

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The stupid thing is people like Oldtimer think just because 80% of Catholic women use some form of birth control they can force a nun or priest to pay for it. :roll:

Personally I don't care if women use birth control, a few more should have, like Obama's teenaged mommy, but the Catholics have had a long standing belief of no Birth Control so BUY IT YOURSELF if you think you need it. Don't infringe on the a religious rights of ours to make them pay for something for you that you can BUY FOR YOURSELF. Nobody is limiting anyone access to birth control but some peoples rights are being destroyed and it is not the Sandra Flukes of the world. :mad:
 
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