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Cattlemen's Group Wrangles With Its Former Allies

Oooops, almost forgot Hayseed, I knew he would be there to give you moral support even though he furnished the above article confirming Pasco rolling back their slaughter. Hahaha!

I just cringe at the thought of Hayseed's intellectual contributions to your arguments. SCARY!


~SH~
 
Stay tuned all right SH. I'm on the edge of my seat.

You've shown us nothing but statements from Tyson trained, executive media personal to support puppets like yourself.
 
~SH~ said:
Oooops, almost forgot Hayseed, I knew he would be there to give you moral support even though he furnished the above article confirming Pasco rolling back their slaughter. Hahaha!

I just cringe at the thought of Hayseed's intellectual contributions to your arguments. SCARY!


~SH~
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That's the differnce between you,and I sh,I try to see both sides of an issue while you been blinded and brain washed by pa...............no strike the brain part I dont believe you ever had much sense much less brains,I bet I put that pea brain of yours in a mocking bird ,damn thang would fly backwards..............good luck
 
Why do you keep ignoring the fact the cutting back on killing cattle may have actually saved the two American Plants money SH. Your facts show that they were losing money on every animal killed. Facts like this will not likely show up in you Tyson authored report now will they?

Keep asking them for proof SH, they are loving you. A puppet to spead their propoganda for free.

:P
 
RK: "Why do you keep ignoring the fact the cutting back on killing cattle may have actually saved the two American Plants money SH. Your facts show that they were losing money on every animal killed. Facts like this will not likely show up in you Tyson authored report now will they?"
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Reducing your loss ("saving the two American plants money") is not making those plants profitable you goofball, it's reducing their loss.

You are not a business man are you?

No wonder you wanted other Canadian producers to fund your packing plant rather than looking for investors. LOL!

I suppose Tyson lies to their stockholders too regarding their profit and loss statements huh? LOL!

Have you made the call to the Tyson office yet? What seems to be the holdup? Afraid of the answer you might get?


~SH~
 
You're right, Haymaker, I should of demanded an impartial judge to make the decision. Still, I doubt it would of made a difference.

SH, "Next we are going to discuss the profits in Alberta's Lakeside plant."

Whoa, you still haven't shown how much Boise and Pasco lost. How much did they lose, SH? In all the chatter that you posted, there is no dollar figure of total losses.

SH, "I only have to prove that Tyson's Boise and Pasco plants lost more than Lakeside gained. That's all I have to prove. That is the bet."

That is correct. When are you going do it?
 
Most of the numbers needed are at this site.

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/11-15-2004/0002456399&EDATE=

Scroll almost halfway down to beef. It lists all losses for the year including this statement.

"Additionally, operating income was negatively impacted by
approximately $5 million related to the impairment of various intangible
assets and fixed asset write-downs, increased live cattle prices, production
declines and decreased capacity utilization for the fourth quarter and
12 months of fiscal 2004. These decreases were partially offset by higher
average selling prices and increased volumes and margins at our Lakeside
operation in Canada."

It is splitting 5 mil in losses with decreased capacity utilization with many other things. Then taking all the losses, 61 mil, 17 mil, etc.(listed at site) and stating that increased margins in Canada partially made up for all these losses! These numbers are not from a newspaper! They are from their own report!

I hope everyone takes time to examine this & then someone posts a poll.
Of course some higher authority can declare the winner 'nuts' & throw the vote out! LOL!
I have no personal stake in whoever wins & it isn't going to change anything in my life. LOL! (I don't belong to R-calf & I'm not Canadian!) From the evidence that I have seen so far: Sorry SH, newspaper articles, hearsay, etc. just don't cut it!
 
You old Goofball SH. I like that term, it's a fun term --- Goofball.

Now we're finally having some fun.

Reduced their losses hey, saving money????? explain please. I'm just a goofball who wants somebody else to pay my bills. :lol: :D

Do you really think that money that Tyson would have lost on each head killed will show up on their projections. You're the one who said they were losing money in their American plants on every head killed you old Goof ball.
 
I find it interesting that SH all along in other threads was pointing out that there was a shortage of cattle in the US and this is what accounted for the record high prices in the US...I agree.....but now he is turning around and trying to include ALL the losses associated with the plants running at 35% because of the closed Canadian border!!!!!! There was a shortage of cattle not the closed border that was mostly causing the kill to only be 35% of capacity. What is the open Canadian border doing now that only 10,000-12,000 animals per week are even making it into the US!
3800 hundred/day and more now with a good margin seems to be a good deal!! Its better than the few scraps they are getting through the border for having to pay extra for all the cattle in Canada!
 
There is no doubt in my mind that there is a lot more Canadian cattle coming. I am not saying this to be anti-Canadian or anti- packer etc. I believe they will affect the Dec contract the most. I certainly could be wrong.
The only point that I'm trying to make here is that cattle prices are strong right now, but that doesn't mean they will stay that way. It is time to do some hedging. Look at some put options. We could get hit with some high numbers of heavy cattle, or another bse scare, etc.
Wishing, hoping, & bitching isn't going to change your bottom line one cent. You have to be prepared for these possibilities! Thanks for reading.
This is not directed at anyone in particular!
 
There is no doubt in my mind that there is a lot more Canadian cattle coming. I am not saying this to be anti-Canadian or anti- packer etc. I believe they will affect the Dec contract the most. I certainly could be wrong.
The only point that I'm trying to make here is that cattle prices are strong right now, but that doesn't mean they will stay that way. It is time to do some hedging. Look at some put options. We could get hit with some high numbers of heavy cattle, or another bse scare, etc.
Wishing, hoping, & bitching isn't going to change your bottom line one cent. You have to be prepared for these possibilities! Thanks for reading.
This is not directed at anyone in particular!
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Fedup2, are you saying there are options to reduce risk vs. the spot market? Shouldn't that be illegal? Arrangements like that, might just put pressure on the cash markets! :???:
 
Wishin Hopin and Bitchin is what this site is all about Fedup. All of us have real lives (except SH :wink: ) you know.

It's those who ignore what's going on in the industry that need scolding.

Who said a little whining and bitching or as I like to call it, a second opinion, is such a bad thing.

For the Weak, change is frightening.

For the Satisfied, change is threatening.

For the Confident, change is opportunity.

Where do we all fit into these three catagories.
 
Murgen said:
There is no doubt in my mind that there is a lot more Canadian cattle coming. I am not saying this to be anti-Canadian or anti- packer etc. I believe they will affect the Dec contract the most. I certainly could be wrong.
The only point that I'm trying to make here is that cattle prices are strong right now, but that doesn't mean they will stay that way. It is time to do some hedging. Look at some put options. We could get hit with some high numbers of heavy cattle, or another bse scare, etc.
Wishing, hoping, & bitching isn't going to change your bottom line one cent. You have to be prepared for these possibilities! Thanks for reading.
This is not directed at anyone in particular!
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Fedup2, are you saying there are options to reduce risk vs. the spot market? Shouldn't that be illegal? Arrangements like that, might just put pressure on the cash markets! :???:
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I agree Murgen,load em up the boy's at the sale barn are waiting...............good luck
 
At one time I read posts the same way some of you do now. I only looked for things that my opinions were slanted toward. When I read an article that immediately didn't agree with my way of thinking, I dismissed it as slanted bs! I see many on this site doing that. They can never concede a point as that might give the poster some credibility & that is what most here work so hard to destroy!

It doesn't matter what the content is, or if it makes any useful points. Somehow, it is always turned into anti-RCalf, NCBA, U.S., Canadian, packer, etc. It amazes me how often these points are interjected in a conversation or post which has no hidden agenda other than sharing some thoughts. Isn't that what a forum is for? Does every post have to be anti something or hateful? I still have a lot more questions than I do answers in this life so please feel free to enlighten me!

As always on this site, please be careful what you write because it can and will be used against you at some point! LOL!
 
It doesn't matter what the content is, or if it makes any useful points. Somehow, it is always turned into anti-RCalf, NCBA, U.S., Canadian, packer, etc. It amazes me how often these points are interjected in a conversation or post which has no hidden agenda other than sharing some thoughts. Isn't that what a forum is for? Does every post have to be anti something or hateful? I still have a lot more questions than I do answers in this life so please feel free to enlighten me!
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Fedup2, just went back and read some of your posts. You have been middle of the road, posting thought provoking posts etc.

The problem being that some of us do take some posts as attacks! Justified or not. I guess that's because we are getting too used to it from certain members of the board. Sorry for such attacks on you.

Thanks for the reality check!
 
All right, enough of the mush you guys, let's get back to the task at hand.

Solving the problems of the world will have to wait.

Where ya at SH? I've been liking your posts. You're proving my point.

Cargill and Tyson had no use for an open border and the media releases you talk of might just as well be adressed to packer lovers like you so that you can spread their word for them.
 
That's not the task of this thread Randy! Get back to waiting for that overpriced Real Estate guy.

I thought I told you the other night, I'd buy it, and show you how to make some real money.

I'd start off with some "hairy cattle", make lots in the purbred market and then move to the packer/retail deal, and make more!
 
Thank you Murgen. I am not totally middle of the road (Gee, that would make me a no good fence straddler on this site) but I am always willing to learn something new. (dang, that would make me a flip-flopper!) LOL! I agree with some points from all sides (darn, a butt kisser) and disagree with others. ( gosh, does that make me a bwamer!). Point is, not everyone has to have a label or an agenda. (oh oh! Some kind of do-gooder! Go away!) Do you see how tough this is! lol!
 

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