Sorry, had to post that, just came from a MBBA meeting that had Tim Scheffilbien speaking, I have known Tim for about 15 years, talked to him for about a half hour later about the good things we can do with the AR, AN and GV crosses, the strengths and the weaknesses of the breeds and how we could better the whole industry if people would drop their grandpa mentalities and work together. Oh, I just admitted to being a friend of a packer, I better shut up or be banned from the boards