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nortexsook

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"One-quarter of all the maize and other grain crops grown in the US now ends up as biofuel in cars rather than being used to feed people, according to new analysis ....

The 2009 figures from the US Department of Agriculture shows ethanol production rising to record levels driven by farm subsidies and laws which require vehicles to use increasing amounts of biofuels.

"The grain grown to produce fuel in the US [in 2009] was enough to feed 330 million people for one year at average world consumption levels," said Lester Brown, the director of the Earth Policy Institute, a Washington thinktank ithat conducted the analysis....
 

Larrry

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I have a little different take on this. If we are using so much grain up for biofuels, the grain market do not reflect that there is too much used for fuels. I got a couple other takes that I might mention later.
 

Steve

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I find it ironic that some blame the US for the worlds problems... yet complain when we try to interfere...



After apartheid, the government set a target to give 30% of all agricultural land to the black majority by 2014.

About 95% of that land has been handed over but much of it has lain idle for years.

and South Africa is a better example...

Now comes President Hugo Chávez, Venezuela's left-leaning populist, who has promised to end what his government calls ''latifundios,'' estates of at least 5,000 hectares, or about 12,350 acres, as part of a fast-moving land reform that is being closely watched across the region

''Any self-respecting revolution cannot permit such a situation,'' Mr. Chávez said earlier this month as he signed a decree forming a national commission that will evaluate farms' productivity and the legitimacy of their ownership.

I guess food shortages and hunger will continue until we start "exporting" our efficient ag practices.. [/quote]
 

Larrry

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The ethanol industry has had a monkey on its back with all the false claims thrown around. The food industry has been a willing culprit in perpetuating all the misinformation going around. When the grain markets went up, then you saw grains and fuel prices come down....did you see the food prices in the grocery store come down? No, they kept going up and up and up
 

Larrry

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CattleArmy said:
Ok granted I'm not a farmer but hasn't ethanol been good for corn farmers?
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Probably so, just think we could hope the price of corn goes down to a buck a bushel. Wouldn't that be great
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CattleArmy

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Larrry said:
CattleArmy said:
Ok granted I'm not a farmer but hasn't ethanol been good for corn farmers?
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Probably so, just think we could hope the price of corn goes down to a buck a bushel. Wouldn't that be great
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I guess this just proves the point ask a stupid question you get a STUPID answer.
 

Larrry

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I wasn't even going to respond to that question, because I figured everyone could figure it out, but I thought what the hey I am feeling generous tonight.
 

burnt

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Steve said:
I find it ironic that some blame the US for the worlds problems... yet complain when we try to interfere...



After apartheid, the government set a target to give 30% of all agricultural land to the black majority by 2014.

About 95% of that land has been handed over but much of it has lain idle for years.

and South Africa is a better example...

Now comes President Hugo Chávez, Venezuela's left-leaning populist, who has promised to end what his government calls ''latifundios,'' estates of at least 5,000 hectares, or about 12,350 acres, as part of a fast-moving land reform that is being closely watched across the region

''Any self-respecting revolution cannot permit such a situation,'' Mr. Chávez said earlier this month as he signed a decree forming a national commission that will evaluate farms' productivity and the legitimacy of their ownership.

I guess food shortages and hunger will continue until we start "exporting" our efficient ag practices..
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Although dictators like Chavez are despicable, I think there is another way of looking at this. If one does not know how to control his or her own problem with greed, then there will eventually be someone or something that will take care of that little issue for them.

Who needs 12350 acres to survive?

There are natural laws at work that are far bigger than our short and narrow views and ambitions and they will not be thwarted.
 

Larrry

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Yep you prove that all the time by giving your opinions when they aren't even right.

Step back one moment CA and look at what you wrote and see what is wrong with your statement.


Now if you want to getback to the debate, fine. If not, this is going nowhere.
 

CattleArmy

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Larrry said:
Yep you prove that all the time by giving your opinions when they aren't even right.

Step back one moment CA and look at what you wrote and see what is wrong with your statement.


Now if you want to getback to the debate, fine. If not, this is going nowhere.

Are you the new self elected posting police? :???: 8)
 

Larrry

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CattleArmy said:
Larrry said:
Yep you prove that all the time by giving your opinions when they aren't even right.

Step back one moment CA and look at what you wrote and see what is wrong with your statement.


Now if you want to getback to the debate, fine. If not, this is going nowhere.

Are you the new self elected posting police? :???: 8)

NO and for the final time if you want to go off on a tangent that is fine. I would rather debatethe issue. If you choose not too, that is your choice.

And now back to the subject.
 
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nortexsook said:
"One-quarter of all the maize and other grain crops grown in the US now ends up as biofuel in cars rather than being used to feed people, according to new analysis ....

The 2009 figures from the US Department of Agriculture shows ethanol production rising to record levels driven by farm subsidies and laws which require vehicles to use increasing amounts of biofuels.

"The grain grown to produce fuel in the US [in 2009] was enough to feed 330 million people for one year at average world consumption levels," said Lester Brown, the director of the Earth Policy Institute, a Washington thinktank ithat conducted the analysis....

Just think what it could do if it was all made into whiskey. On a more serious note, there will never be an alternative type energy that will compete with the companies that provide us the energy. They cannot let it as it would ruin them. They own the leases and equipment and the refineries and the infrastructural to move it and sell it.
 

Larrry

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hurleyjd said:
nortexsook said:
"One-quarter of all the maize and other grain crops grown in the US now ends up as biofuel in cars rather than being used to feed people, according to new analysis ....

The 2009 figures from the US Department of Agriculture shows ethanol production rising to record levels driven by farm subsidies and laws which require vehicles to use increasing amounts of biofuels.

"The grain grown to produce fuel in the US [in 2009] was enough to feed 330 million people for one year at average world consumption levels," said Lester Brown, the director of the Earth Policy Institute, a Washington thinktank ithat conducted the analysis....

Just think what it could do if it was all made into whiskey. On a more serious note, there will never be an alternative type energy that will compete with the companies that provide us the energy. They cannot let it as it would ruin them. They own the leases and equipment and the refineries and the infrastructural to move it and sell it.

Do you notice that the oil companies are buying up some of the ethanol plants

For a few cents on the dollar
 

Steve

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burnt said:
Steve said:
I find it ironic that some blame the US for the worlds problems... yet complain when we try to interfere...



After apartheid, the government set a target to give 30% of all agricultural land to the black majority by 2014.

About 95% of that land has been handed over but much of it has lain idle for years.

and South Africa is a better example...

Now comes President Hugo Chávez, Venezuela's left-leaning populist, who has promised to end what his government calls ''latifundios,'' estates of at least 5,000 hectares, or about 12,350 acres, as part of a fast-moving land reform that is being closely watched across the region

''Any self-respecting revolution cannot permit such a situation,'' Mr. Chávez said earlier this month as he signed a decree forming a national commission that will evaluate farms' productivity and the legitimacy of their ownership.

I guess food shortages and hunger will continue until we start "exporting" our efficient ag practices..

burnt said:
Although dictators like Chavez are despicable, I think there is another way of looking at this. If one does not know how to control his or her own problem with greed, then there will eventually be someone or something that will take care of that little issue for them.

Who needs 12350 acres to survive?

There are natural laws at work that are far bigger than our short and narrow views and ambitions and they will not be thwarted.

any person out here (liberal east coast) would think the same of 1235 acres... and since there are more of them,they would just break up the Big mega 1235 acre farms and ranches and not even feel a bit bad about it...

(in fact they would more then likely force you to set aside about 235 acres of it for preservation just to make themselves feel better about saving a gopher or two (because who needs more the a thousand acres to survive?))

and who would stop them if we didn't have a Constitution?...
 
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