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China Skyscraper Fire Burns for Hours and does not collapse

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Anonymous

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40190224/ns/world_news-asia-pacific?gt1=43001

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you got to love the idiots like whitewing, steve and mike who think that the twin towers and wtc7 collapsed due to office fires...complete idiots...hahahaha
 

Steve

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.hahahaha

at the death of 53, you laugh because the building didn't collapse...

you compare a 23 story building to a 110 story building.. and we are idiots..

next time before you decide to try to mock some one think about the cost in lives first of your stupidity..

if that doesn't make you think a little question your self on why you feel the need to come to a board, and insult those who have posted here for years...

if none of those questions stir a bit of decency in you, then at least try to understand that most on here are turned off by your insults..

I realize a clown from New York City can't really understand that, but at least try.
 
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Anonymous

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what is insulting is how a idiot like yourself will defend a govt that clearly committed these crimes. our govt has been hijacked. yet some like you refuse to see the truth.

NO STEEL BUILDINGS HAVE EVER COLLAPSED LIKE THE WTC BUILDINGS BEFORE OR AFTER DUE TO OFFICE FIRES.

i stand for the the 3000 that died and have not received any justice.

you stand with the corporations. running free protection for them in oil fields.
 

Martin Jr.

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Add 20,000 gallons of more of jet fuel to that building and you have have heat the equivalent to a forge which can turn metal white hot.
 

per

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Add to that the side load on an infrastructure that is designed only for wind of a 750000lb rock thrown at 200 plus miles per hour.
 

Larrry

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I have an exercise for shamstein. Get two pieces of metal. Build a fire and throw one piece in it for 5 minutes and take the other and use an acetylene torch and heat it for five minutes. Then grab each piece and see which one will bend. Be sure to grab each piece firmly
 

hypocritexposer

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Larrry said:
I have an exercise for shamstein. Get two pieces of metal. Build a fire and throw one piece in it for 5 minutes and take the other and use an acetylene torch and heat it for five minutes. Then grab each piece and see which one will bend. Be sure to grab each piece firmly


He might be able to exert more force on the steel if he uses both hands on one end and has the other end held firmly between his teeth.
 
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Martin Jr. said:
Add 20,000 gallons of more of jet fuel to that building and you have have heat the equivalent to a forge which can turn metal white hot.

jet fuel does not get hot enough to melt steel. if you cared about you fellow americans that died that day you would already know this.
 
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Anonymous

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what melted the steel to cause global collapse at freefall speed in one hour?

when you answer this you have found your terrorists.
 

hopalong

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shaumei said:
Martin Jr. said:
Add 20,000 gallons of more of jet fuel to that building and you have have heat the equivalent to a forge which can turn metal white hot.

jet fuel does not get hot enough to melt steel. if you cared about you fellow americans that died that day you would already know this.

BULL CRAP
 
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Anonymous

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hopalong said:
shaumei said:
Martin Jr. said:
Add 20,000 gallons of more of jet fuel to that building and you have have heat the equivalent to a forge which can turn metal white hot.

jet fuel does not get hot enough to melt steel. if you cared about you fellow americans that died that day you would already know this.

BULL CRAP

that is what you have in your head along with fluoride. explain how jet fuel can cause steel to melt in less than one hour....this is something 1300 architects and engineers cannot answer...but glad Hopalong can do it here for us all to hear...give it a shot...
 

hopalong

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shaumei said:
hopalong said:
shaumei said:
jet fuel does not get hot enough to melt steel. if you cared about you fellow americans that died that day you would already know this.

BULL CRAP

that is what you have in your head along with fluoride. explain how jet fuel can cause steel to melt in less than one hour....this is something 1300 architects and engineers cannot answer...but glad Hopalong can do it here for us all to hear...give it a shot...

Heck proving you wrong is easy the whole board has been doing it all along since you showed up in your timfoil suit, poroblem is you do not have the intelgence to see it.
Go call your mommy to change your tinfoul diaper, Yes i said tin foul because if it has been near you it is gonna be rank!

Coffee shame full?
 

hypocritexposer

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shaumei said:
hopalong said:
shaumei said:
jet fuel does not get hot enough to melt steel. if you cared about you fellow americans that died that day you would already know this.

BULL CRAP

that is what you have in your head along with fluoride. explain how jet fuel can cause steel to melt in less than one hour....this is something 1300 architects and engineers cannot answer...but glad Hopalong can do it here for us all to hear...give it a shot...


Who said it melted?

An example of steel being weakened by heat and then bent (many of us have seen this done many times) Shamoo, why don't you tell us the temp. of this guy's forge and how long he had the steel in the fire, before he was able to bend it. And what was the force needed on the steel to bend it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBhdAkWywBM


and here is an example of a steel beam being loaded with weight and a jet fuel fire weakening the steel. (2000 degrees F @ 2 min.)

The Steel beam fails at 3:40 min, due to the heat and the load.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kl0tHx36RRQ&feature=player_embedded#!


and just incase you can't find the answers shammoo, in regards to the forge....here's a guy with a coal forge that can explain the temps. needed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyHJOz59ppY&feature=related
 

hopalong

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shaumei said:
Martin Jr. said:
Add 20,000 gallons of more of jet fuel to that building and you have have heat the equivalent to a forge which can turn metal white hot.

jet fuel does not get hot enough to melt steel. if you cared about you fellow americans that died that day you would already know this.

BUT shamefulone the 8th most common element on earth does< there is a great deal of it used on aircraft, it boils at close to 2000 degrees f.
, mixed with air in the proer amounts jp 4 and or 5 can and will reach tempitures great enough to cause steel to bend and disolve, with your VAST knowledge you would know this, or maybe you are not smart enough to figure it out!


EGHHHH oh dummb one

COiffee tiime :wink:
 
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Anonymous

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hopalong said:
shaumei said:
Martin Jr. said:
Add 20,000 gallons of more of jet fuel to that building and you have have heat the equivalent to a forge which can turn metal white hot.

jet fuel does not get hot enough to melt steel. if you cared about you fellow americans that died that day you would already know this.

BUT shamefulone the 8th most common element on earth does< there is a great deal of it used on aircraft, it boils at close to 2000 degrees f.
, mixed with air in the proer amounts jp 4 and or 5 can and will reach tempitures great enough to cause steel to bend and disolve, with your VAST knowledge you would know this, or maybe you are not smart enough to figure it out!


EGHHHH oh dummb one

COiffee tiime :wink:

that limited amount of jet fuel could barely cause office fires on a few floors...to think it would cause GLOBAL COLLAPSE in one hour of two wtc towers at freefall speeds is just completely moronic or gullible. it is completely impossible. but, you add into that the fact that wtc 7 had ZERO JET FUEL IN IT AND IT FELL THE SAME FREEEKING WAY IS UNBELIEVEABLE YOU STILL BELIEVE THE GOVT CONSPIRACY STORY WITH NO EVIDENCE TO BACK IT UP.

where did the anthrax come from days later?

did bush family have a business relationship with the bin ladens?

where is the plane that hit the pentagon?

where was the plane that crashed in shanksville? we shot that one down by the way...

you people are so worred about LIBS AND OBAMA...the real enemy is within our own government and owns both parties....
 

Steve

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Shampooie said:
but, you add into that the fact that wtc 7 had ZERO JET FUEL IN IT

are you sure??? fact is.. there were fuel tanks .. diesel fuel.

Storage tanks contained 24,000 gallons (91,000 L) of diesel fuel to supply the generators.

Salomon Smith Barney Two 6,000-gallon tanks under loading dock on ground level
Silverstein Properties Two 12,000-gallon tanks under loading dock on ground level

and that is not counting the larger tanks under it at the Con Ed station..

The backup mechanism (that should have shut off the fuel oil pumps when a breach occurred) failed to work, and the fuel (diesel) was pumped from the tanks on the ground floor to the fifth floor where it ignited. The pumps emptied the tanks of all 12,000 gallons of fuel.

Jet fuel is a type of aviation fuel designed for use in aircraft powered by gas-turbine engines. It is clear to straw-colored in appearance. The most commonly used fuels for commercial aviation are Jet A and Jet A-1. jet fuels were based on kerosene or a gasoline-kerosene mix, and most jet fuels are still kerosene-based.

Jet fuel is very similar to diesel fuel.

Jet fuel and diesel fuel both share similarities in composition as well as many chemical properties.

Jet fuel of types A and A-1 is composed of mostly kerosene, Diesel gas is approx. 75 percent kerosene, with added lubricants.

Diesel gas is heavier than jet fuel, with a higher number of slightly larger hydrocarbon chains, though both are primarily paraffin oils (kerosene).

According to Inspectapedia.com, diesel has a higher BTU output and more energy per unit than does Jet fuel.

well there you have it... wrong again...
 

Whitewing

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Why bother folks? He repeats the same lies and half-truths over and over again and yet calls us idiots.

Where's the plane that hit the Pentagon? I guess the photos of the airplane parts weren't good enough, right Shamu? I guess the eyewitness reports of the plane striking the building weren't good enough either.

Then it's, where's the video of the plane hitting the Pentagon? If only there were video then we could believe it. Yet show this assclown a video of the planes striking the WTC buildings and that's not good enough. No, Mussad agents planted the bombs that brought down the buildings.

Where's the video of the hijackers actually getting on the planes? I guess the phone calls from dozens of people on the flights saying Middle Eastern men had taken over the flights weren't good enough for Shamu.

Whatever's missing in any story is where the conspiracy begins. It must be tough being you Shamu. I do wonder how you feed yourself.

You're
 
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Steve said:
Shampooie said:
but, you add into that the fact that wtc 7 had ZERO JET FUEL IN IT

are you sure??? fact is.. there were fuel tanks .. diesel fuel.

Storage tanks contained 24,000 gallons (91,000 L) of diesel fuel to supply the generators.

Salomon Smith Barney Two 6,000-gallon tanks under loading dock on ground level
Silverstein Properties Two 12,000-gallon tanks under loading dock on ground level

and that is not counting the larger tanks under it at the Con Ed station..

The backup mechanism (that should have shut off the fuel oil pumps when a breach occurred) failed to work, and the fuel (diesel) was pumped from the tanks on the ground floor to the fifth floor where it ignited. The pumps emptied the tanks of all 12,000 gallons of fuel.

Jet fuel is a type of aviation fuel designed for use in aircraft powered by gas-turbine engines. It is clear to straw-colored in appearance. The most commonly used fuels for commercial aviation are Jet A and Jet A-1. jet fuels were based on kerosene or a gasoline-kerosene mix, and most jet fuels are still kerosene-based.

Jet fuel is very similar to diesel fuel.

Jet fuel and diesel fuel both share similarities in composition as well as many chemical properties.

Jet fuel of types A and A-1 is composed of mostly kerosene, Diesel gas is approx. 75 percent kerosene, with added lubricants.

Diesel gas is heavier than jet fuel, with a higher number of slightly larger hydrocarbon chains, though both are primarily paraffin oils (kerosene).

According to Inspectapedia.com, diesel has a higher BTU output and more energy per unit than does Jet fuel.

well there you have it... wrong again...

Steve,

the problem is that neither diesel fuel nor jet fuel could have gotten hot enough to cause global collapse in one hour in the two twin towers case and then in a freefall global collapse in wtc7.

otherwise, why don't demolition experts use diesel fuel in bringing down steel skyscrapers? I would love to watch that slow burn...lol

only morons grabbing at straws would say such stupid things. that is all you got is the jet fuel caused the global collapse of wtc7 or diesel on the ground did it? that is very funny...
 

Steve

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shaumei said:
Steve said:
Shampooie said:
but, you add into that the fact that wtc 7 had ZERO JET FUEL IN IT

are you sure??? fact is.. there were fuel tanks .. diesel fuel.

Storage tanks contained 24,000 gallons (91,000 L) of diesel fuel to supply the generators.

Salomon Smith Barney Two 6,000-gallon tanks under loading dock on ground level
Silverstein Properties Two 12,000-gallon tanks under loading dock on ground level

and that is not counting the larger tanks under it at the Con Ed station..

The backup mechanism (that should have shut off the fuel oil pumps when a breach occurred) failed to work, and the fuel (diesel) was pumped from the tanks on the ground floor to the fifth floor where it ignited. The pumps emptied the tanks of all 12,000 gallons of fuel.

Jet fuel is a type of aviation fuel designed for use in aircraft powered by gas-turbine engines. It is clear to straw-colored in appearance. The most commonly used fuels for commercial aviation are Jet A and Jet A-1. jet fuels were based on kerosene or a gasoline-kerosene mix, and most jet fuels are still kerosene-based.

Jet fuel is very similar to diesel fuel.

Jet fuel and diesel fuel both share similarities in composition as well as many chemical properties.

Jet fuel of types A and A-1 is composed of mostly kerosene, Diesel gas is approx. 75 percent kerosene, with added lubricants.

Diesel gas is heavier than jet fuel, with a higher number of slightly larger hydrocarbon chains, though both are primarily paraffin oils (kerosene).

According to Inspectapedia.com, diesel has a higher BTU output and more energy per unit than does Jet fuel.

well there you have it... wrong again...

Steve,

the problem is that neither diesel fuel nor jet fuel could have gotten hot enough to cause global collapse in one hour in the two twin towers case and then in a freefall global collapse in wtc7.

otherwise, why don't demolition experts use diesel fuel in bringing down steel skyscrapers? I would love to watch that slow burn...lol

only morons grabbing at straws would say such stupid things. that is all you got is the jet fuel caused the global collapse of wtc7 or diesel on the ground did it? that is very funny...

wait.. lets go back to your comment about fuel...

if you want to have a serious discussion.. then we need to establish a few facts instead of you going off in a schizophrenic rampage..

even if it is irrelevant and you believe had nothing to do with the collapse

[Do you agree that there was 24000 gallons of fuel in WTC 7. and more in larger storage tanks underneath in the Con-Ed station?
 
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