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Chinese Heparin Contamination Deliberate

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Anonymous

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I watched these C-SPAN hearings last night- and the investigator for Congress came right out and said this was "economic fraud" and that all evidence points to the deaths being the results of Chinese companies adding contaminants in order to profitteer....He said it is no different than the adding of melamine in pet foods or the ethyl glycol to toothpaste in previous incidents to make a bigger profit.....

And the sad thing is- The Bush FDA has not shut down importing from these companies- nor have they done anything to prevent another Chinese company from doing the same thing with another additive at any time- in their backing of globalist trading over consumer safety and US domestic industry.... :( :mad:

As was brought up by Congressman Dingel- if this had been done by Al Quaeda, GW and the neocons would be screaming bloody murder- and attacking some country....But since it was done by a corporate interest (even tho a foreign Communist government owned one :roll: ) its being swept under the table....
But--After watching both the Dems and Repubs on the committee tear the FDA Director a new rear end- I don't think that will happen.....


Heparin Contamination May Have Been Deliberate, F.D.A. Says


By GARDINER HARRIS
Published: April 30, 2008
WASHINGTON — Federal drug regulators believe that a contaminant detected in a crucial blood thinner that has caused 81 deaths was added deliberately, something the Food and Drug Administration has only hinted at previously.


“F.D.A.’s working hypothesis is that this was intentional contamination, but this is not yet proven,” Dr. Janet Woodcock, director of the Food and Drug Administration’s drug center, told the House Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations in written testimony given Tuesday.

A third of the material in some batches of the thinner heparin were contaminants, “and it does strain one’s credulity to suggest that might have been done accidentally,” Dr. Woodcock said.

Two weeks ago, Food and Drug Commissioner Andrew C. von Eschenbach told a Senate subcommittee that the contamination was done “by virtue of economic fraud,” but he quickly withdrew the remark, saying he had “probably gone too far.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/30/health/policy/30heparin.html?em&ex=1209700800&en=2c7f1b380ee3057e&ei=5087%0A
 

PORKER

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F.D.A. plans to significantly increase staffing

(MEATPOULTRY.com, May 01, 2008)
by Bryan Salvage


WASHINGTON ― The U.S. Food and Drug Administration is beginning a multi-year hiring initiative. The agency intends to hire hundreds with science and medical backgrounds to enhance the agency's ability to ensure food and product safety.

In fiscal year 2008, the F.D.A. is looking to fill more than 600 new positions and to backfill over 700 others to implement the F.D.A. Amendments Act of 2007, the Food Protection Plan and the Import Safety Action Plan. That's nearly triple the number of people hired from 2005-2007.

"It takes a large pool of talented people for the F.D.A. to protect and promote the public health," said John Dyer, the F.D.A.'s deputy commissioner for operations and chief operating officer. "Each month there is a delay in bringing critical staff on board impairs the agency's ability to fulfill this mission."

Food checking is high on their list along with the FDA Bio Terrorism law complyance.
 
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hypocritexposer said:
But COOL, is supposed to ensure food safety, and there is not supposed to be any additional cost to implementing it?

FDA does not oversee M-COOL on beef and produce....
That is the USDA....

As was shown in the Senate hearings the other day- Congress is trying to give FDA more money and require more inspections/oversight of all food along with medicines-- especially since it was shown the Heparin contamination by China was probably a purposely committed, "fraud for profit" act- just like the adding of ethyl glycol to toothpaste- and melamine to pet foods....
 

mrj

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Sandhusker, you obviously do not hear R-CALF director (or is it dictator? there appears no difference, among that group) has said many times in many ways, with many different words: when we get COOL you can know the beef you buy isn't that "imported crap" that has all those diseases. He and his partner are on several radio stations in SD several times a week and most weeks get this message across in one form or another.

BTW, OT, obviously you conveniently ignore important points in stories when it suits your personal agenda, but it is right there in the quote:

Dr. Jant Woodcock: "F.D.A.'s working hypothesis is that this was intentional contamination, but this is not yet proven."

Granted, it may be proven yet, but because our legal system, and hopefully our leaders, operates on the premise of "innocent until PROVEN guilty" how can you expect our leaders to condemn and burn at the stake anyone before they are proven innocent? Fortunately (or not!), following the rules in such situations precludes the instant punishment you seem to demand for those you don't like.

mrj
 

Sandhusker

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MRJ, "Sandhusker, you obviously do not hear R-CALF director (or is it dictator? there appears no difference, among that group) has said many times in many ways, with many different words: when we get COOL you can know the beef you buy isn't that "imported crap" that has all those diseases. He and his partner are on several radio stations in SD several times a week and most weeks get this message across in one form or another. "

That's a far cry from "ensuring food safety".

Have you ever come up with a single entity yet that is supposed to be effected by the Competition Title like NCBA/AMI claim (or is it just the modus operandi of that group to just say crap that has no basis in fact because they know their members will repeat it like the little non-thinking parrots they are without question)? Have you ever pondered for a minute on why you can't come up with any facts to back their claims that you spread? Have you ever asked yourself why you spread claims that you can't back - and then wonder why you're labeled a "parrot" on this board? Have you ever considered - just for a second - that you might just be a tool being used against cattlemen?
 

mrj

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Sandhusker, previously I have stated that some CATTLE PRODUCERS and some ALLIANCE MEMBERS have said they either will or firmly believe they could be affected by the Competition Title. You have ignored that statement, calling me names in the process. My major personal complaint with it is having government agencies saying who can own cattle and for how long. IMO, that alone is reason enough to reject it.

It is NCBA's MEMBERS who set the policy. The majority of members ARE cattle producers (feeders are next). You apparently deny that FACT.

YOU and a couple of others promoting corporate conspiracies persist in calling me names because I do not go along with your game here. NO ONE is telling me what to say, or when to say it. I have a clear consciencience and a peaceful mind regarding what I post.......with the rare exception of when I say what I'm really thinking about jerks who call others liars and other names when they themselves spew some rather far fetched propaganda.

mrj
 

Sandhusker

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MRJ, "Previously I have stated that some CATTLE PRODUCERS and some ALLIANCE MEMBERS have said they will or could be affected by the Competition Title. You have ignored that statement."

That is your cop-out because you've got nothing else. You're just saying, "Somebody just told me that". How smart is that? NCBA has stated that, and you repeated it. When challenged, you couldn't back a word of it. No surprise, when R-CALF publicly called NCBA liars on that, they had nothing to say - couldn't even defend themselves, and shortly after that your Washington man got fired.

It is NCBA's MEMBERS who set the policy. The majority of members ARE cattle producers (feeders are next). You apparently deny that FACT.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. They set the policy, but you've told us how it can be overturned and reversed by leadership. Therefore, how much power do you really have when everything you decree can be vetoed? That's like a kid saying they can stay up as late as they want, ignoring the fact that it only goes so far as Dad says. We've seen that veto happen already. Pull your head out of the sand and quit fooling yourself - SH is the only one you're fooling here.

YOU and a couple of others promoting corporate conspiracies persist in calling me names because I do not go along with your game here. NO ONE is telling me what to say, or when to say it. I have a clear consciencience and a peaceful mind regarding what I post.......with the rare exception of when I say what I'm really thinking about jerks who call others liars and other names when they themselves spew some rather far fetched propaganda.

I'd say the crap spewed by the NCBA on the Competition Title is far fetched propaganda - especially when neither NCBA or you secondary spewers could back it. IF you have nothing to back it, what else can it be?

Me and others who get on you don't do it because you don't agree with us, it's because you're just an unthinking tool that is being used against the cattle industry. When you're just repeating crap that neither you nor the outfit you heard it from can back it, how can you be anything other than a tool? You're hurting us all, and you don't even know it because you don't stop and think if the crap you're being told by those you have sold your soul to makes any sense. When you have to revert to the excuse that "Some producers and some alliance members said that", a little voice should be asking you questions on why you don't have a better arguement than that.
 
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BTW, OT, obviously you conveniently ignore important points in stories when it suits your personal agenda, but it is right there in the quote:

Dr. Jant Woodcock: "F.D.A.'s working hypothesis is that this was intentional contamination, but this is not yet proven."

But Maxine- you have to remember that Ms. Woodcock is a Bush appointee- an Administration who historically has put profiteering for the foreign industry's above US consumer safety...I thought that was a very strong statement for even her to make- as it will probably get her drummed out of the GW "mickey mouse clubhouse"....

The Congressional Investigator- who was praised by both Democrats and Republicans for his oversight of the investigation came right out and said that there could be no other reason besides "industrial fraud"-that it contained a contaminant, oversulfated chondroitin sulfate, that mimics heparin yet costs 99% less- and allows the Chinese to make more profit just like has already been shown in the Chinese Ethyl Glycol and Melamine incidents....
12 different Chinese companies that have shipped "value adding" dangerous material to 11 different countries is no accident.....
And like Melamine and Ethyl Glycol--this products kills.....
The sad thing is that the Bushites had never previously inspected these manufacturers as required of US manufacturers-- and have not shut down importing from all these same Chinese companies that provided the tainted product, as many of the other countries of the world have- instead choosing profiteering of their elitist buddy global traders over US consumer health.... :( And still not requiring the US pharmacetical companies to test these imports- altho now most are doing it with all Heparin....

But as all the Congressmen asked- what will be the next additive that China adds to food or drugs to profiteer with- that without oversight could kill many more US consumers :???: .....How much of some other additive are they adding now that we don't know about- that because of incompetent FDA/USDA testing is already injuring or killing US consumers :???:
 

mrj

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I have no problem with stopping anyone from commiting fraud and using ingredients that are harmful AFTER they are proven guilty!

You persist in damning and condemning Pres. Bush and his administration without any proof of guilt. That "there could be no other reason" stated by someone who does not have the benefit of all the information in the specific case seems premature.

You ignore the fact that China is experiencing 'growing pains' in attempts to join this century's international business community. Some nations have to learn, from our enforcement of rules and practices, that we don't accept slip-shod or dangerous products........and I believe they will.

It is going to take time to get the necessary inspectors and protocols in place AND the business community is, as it must, doing some of the 'policing' themselves, as we have read in some previous instances of problems. The MARKETPLACE actually CAN and DOES take care of such problems, when they learn of them.

But, doesn't fit your agenda!

mrj
 

mrj

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Another pathetic attempt, Sandhusker!

Another FAILED attempt at "cause and effect"! NCBA doesn't believe engaging in "P!$$ing Contests" with 'skunks' and you have presented NO evidence of anyone on STAFF being fired because of what an OFFICER said regarding the Competition Title.

Nor have you shown any factual overturn of policy by leadership. YOU simply REFUSE to understand (or more likely, to admit there is) protocol to address unusual and immediate changes for interim policy decision as set up and used by NCBA. NOTHING was VETOED.

You know, but won't admit it, that repeating your silly mantra about me does not make it true! Having intelligent, successful, RESPECTED cattlemen say what your abusive law will do to their business is a very fine argument for opposing the flawed Competition Title, IMO! You will just have to figure out how to live with that!

mrj
 

Sandhusker

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mrj said:
Another pathetic attempt, Sandhusker!

Another FAILED attempt at "cause and effect"! NCBA doesn't believe engaging in "P!$$ing Contests" with 'skunks' and you have presented NO evidence of anyone on STAFF being fired because of what an OFFICER said regarding the Competition Title.

I don't know why he was fired and I don't really care. All I know is he was telling lies about the legislation, R-CALF publicly called NCBA on it, NCBA didn't have the stones to back up their allegations, and shortly after that he was canned.


Nor have you shown any factual overturn of policy by leadership. YOU simply REFUSE to understand (or more likely, to admit there is) protocol to address unusual and immediate changes for interim policy decision as set up and used by NCBA. NOTHING was VETOED.

Those 11 points were overturned behind closed doors. Management didn't have the professionalism to veto anything or even put out a feeler to those who voted for the policy, they just did it. The first time rank and file membership heard about it was after it was done. The letter from the Texas boys backs my "allegations". As long as the boys upstairs (and those who pony up the $100,000 to buy a seat) agree with membership, then membership makes policy. The 11 points deal shows how much policy membership makes if leadership doesn't like it.

You know, but won't admit it, that repeating your silly mantra about me does not make it true! Having intelligent, successful, RESPECTED cattlemen say what your abusive law will do to their business is a very fine argument for opposing the flawed Competition Title, IMO! You will just have to figure out how to live with that!

Don't tell me that it was "respected cattlemen" who told you about the effects of the Competition Title. It was NCBA leadership. That's where you heard it. Leadership slices, dices, and interprets what legislation means to membership, and then communicates it down, not the other way around. That's one of the reasons you have people in Washington, for cripes sake. It's then membership's duty to analyze the information and to hold their leaders accountable for accurate information. You have failed this last part miserably. You don't analyze or ask for a second if any could be true, you just blindly believe, repeat what you've heard, and then look foolish when you yourself gets questioned on what you're parroting and your only answer is "a respected cattleman told me". People like you are doing so much damage to the industry and you don't even know it. You're like worker bees who are implanted with a disease and then returned to the hive.

Do yourself a favor and the next time NCBA makes some claim, do a google search and see what others are saying. Read proposed legislation yourself. Look around for examples that you can apply to the questions.




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