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Chris Christie:Rise of Libertarians like Rand Paul is danger

Faster horses

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Now why would he possibly think that the rise of Libertarians like Rand Paul is dangerous???? :p

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http://news.yahoo.com/author/chris-moody/

For the second time in as many weeks, a high-profile Republican has taken aim at Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul for his views on national security practices.

During a panel discussion with Republican governors on Thursday night in Aspen, Colo., New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie said libertarians who criticize the National Security Agency’s domestic spying operation were “dangerous,” because such criticisms inhibit the federal government’s ability to stop terrorism. Christie pointed to Paul as an example.

“This strain of libertarianism that’s going through both parties right now and making big headlines, I think, is a very dangerous thought,” Christie said, prompting the panel moderator to ask if he was referring to Paul.

“You can name any number of people, and he’s one of them. I mean, these esoteric, intellectual debates — I want them to come to New Jersey and sit across from the widows and the orphans and have that conversation. And they won’t, because that’s a much tougher conversation to have.”

In response on Friday, Paul called the spying program “unconstitutional” and accused Christie of misplaced fears.

“Christie worries about the dangers of freedom. I worry about the danger of losing that freedom,” read a post on Paul’s official Twitter account. “Spying without warrants is unconstitutional."

The debate comes just two days after the House rejected an amendment proposed by Michigan Republican Rep. Justin Amash that would have halted the NSA’s domestic surveillance program by withholding funding for the agency. Amash’s measure, which failed by only a few votes, revealed a schism in both parties over U.S. spying practices.

In the Senate, Paul has been one of the most vocal critics of the program, and in March he led a 13-hour filibuster on the floor in protest of John Brennan’s nomination to direct the CIA to draw attention to the use of U.S. drone strikes overseas.

Paul’s actions have received mixed reviews from Republicans. Last week, New York Republican Rep. Peter King went after the Kentucky lawmaker by saying that he did not think Republicans like Paul should represent “the face” of the party.

Paul, in an interview in Des Moines last week, where he was attending a conference for Christian church leaders, told Yahoo News that King’s comments were “exclusionary.”

"We should welcome a lot of people in the party — a big tent — who can disagree,” Paul told Yahoo News. “His may be an exclusionary view of the party. Mine is not.”

Call it a preview for 2016.
 

Steve

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I want them to come to New Jersey and sit across from the widows and the orphans and have that conversation. And they won’t, because that’s a much tougher conversation to have.”

Maybe Christie and Obama should look sit across from
the Fort Hood families and victims who were injured, or the families of those who lost a loved one in Benghazi, or one of the injured or the families of those who lost a loved on in Boston and
explain why a haystack full of information failed to be any good even when we were warned about the terrorists?

if you take a more targeted approach the haystack is much smaller.. and the needles are easier to spot.. :shock:
 

djinwa

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So, apparently guys like Christie think we need to provide security by taking away our freedoms. Then what is the point? Let them take our privacy, let them take our money to pay for more bombing, and say we are fighting for our freedoms and we're spreading freedom and democracy!

He thinks that the more we bomb other countries, the more they will like us and not retaliate. Makes sense to me!? Perhaps instead of spending trillions of dollars on bombing and occupying, and spying on all of us, how about we try just leaving people alone! If I ran around messing with my neighbors to eliminate threats, I would become a target. Not rocket science.

I mean, 9/11 supposedly happened only because some guys were sitting around and one day decided they hated us because we are rich and free. Yeah, that's right! (I wonder why they didn't attack Brazil or other rich and free countries).

Certainly it had nothing to do with our meddling in the middle east for 50 years, toppling governments (Iran, etc), installing and propping up dictators, bombing, occupying, and imposing sanctions resulting in hundreds of thousands of Iraq kids dying.

Because if China was to build bases near us, and invade and bomb, and then put sanctions that resulted in starvation, we would be fine with it, right? There would be no Timothy McVeigh's in this country, right? I mean, no Christian would retaliate, only those evil muslims are capable of that!

Here's SecState Albright and Bill Richardson saying the death of 500,000 Iraqi kids from our sanctions was "worth it".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOrrOu8uV8o
 

djinwa

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So, apparently guys like Christie think we need to provide security by taking away our freedoms. Then what is the point? Let them take our privacy, let them take our money to pay for more bombing, and say we are fighting for our freedoms and we're spreading freedom and democracy!

He thinks that the more we bomb other countries, the more they will like us and not retaliate. Makes sense to me!? Perhaps instead of spending trillions of dollars on bombing and occupying other countries, and spying on all of us, how about we try just leaving people alone! If I ran around messing with my neighbors to eliminate threats, I would become a target. Not rocket science.

I mean, 9/11 supposedly happened only because some guys were sitting around and one day decided they hated us because we are rich and free. Yeah, that's right! (I wonder why they didn't attack Brazil or other rich and free countries).

Certainly it had nothing to do with our meddling in the middle east for 50 years, toppling governments (Iran, etc), installing and propping up dictators, bombing, occupying, and imposing sanctions resulting in hundreds of thousands of Iraq kids dying.

Because if China was to build bases near us, and invade and bomb, and then put sanctions that resulted in starvation, we would be fine with it, right? There would be no Timothy McVeigh's in this country, right? I mean, no Christian would retaliate, only those evil muslims are capable of that!

Here's SecState Albright and Bill Richardson saying the death of 500,000 Iraqi kids from our sanctions was "worth it".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOrrOu8uV8o
 

gmacbeef

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Fat ASS Christie needs to learn to keep his mouth shut. To keep so many big Macs from going in & so much B.S. from coming out......... :wink:
 

Steve

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I mean, 9/11 supposedly happened only because some guys were sitting around and one day decided they hated us because we are rich and free. Yeah, that's right!

I realize debating with you is almost pointless,.. but how do you get your facts so wrong so often?

while a good part of Osama's rants have to do with the Jewish state..

consider this...
Under your supervision, consent and orders, the governments of our countries which act as your agents, attack us on a daily basis;

(i) These governments prevent our people from establishing the Islamic Shariah, using violence and lies to do so.

(ii) These governments give us a taste of humiliation, and places us in a large prison of fear and subdual.

(v) The removal of these governments is an obligation upon us, and a necessary step to free the Ummah, to make the Shariah the supreme law and to regain Palestine. And our fight against these governments is not separate from out fight against you.

seems like the guy is mad at everyone who will not submit to his version of sharia.. or just plain mad..

but if you feel that we should have complied.. maybe you should lead us by example..

here is all Osama wanted to leave US alone...
(Q2) As for the second question that we want to answer: What are we calling you to, and what do we want from you?

(1) The first thing that we are calling you to is Islam.

(a) The religion of the Unification of God; of freedom from associating partners with Him, and rejection of this; of complete love of Him, the Exalted; of complete submission to His Laws; and of the discarding of all the opinions, orders, theories and religions which contradict with the religion He sent down to His Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). Islam is the religion of all the prophets, and makes no distinction between them - peace be upon them all.

(2) The second thing we call you to, is to stop your oppression, lies, immorality and debauchery that has spread among you.

(a) We call you to be a people of manners, principles, honour, and purity; to reject the immoral acts of fornication, homosexuality, intoxicants, gambling's, and trading with interest.

dang,.. the ol coot isn't asking much is he... just give up... and give up Christianity,.. oh and liberalism to...

I may not think our immorality and debauchery is worth defending... but I would defend most against Islams treatment of those accused of what they consider immorality and debauchery... which is usually death for the slightest acts of fornication, homosexuality, intoxicants, gambling's, and trading with interest,.. (unless it is them pious ones committing the acts).. :shock: :?

but if that wasn't enough.. he then gets a bit insulting...
We call you to all of this that you may be freed from that which you have become caught up in; that you may be freed from the deceptive lies that you are a great nation, that your leaders spread amongst you to conceal from you the despicable state to which you have reached.

(b) It is saddening to tell you that you are the worst civilization witnessed by the history of mankind:

I guess he still hasn't got over the fact that we sided against his kind when his kind sided with hitler...

(you would think siding with him against the soviet union would have counted for something).. :shock: :?

but is that enough to hate US,.. of does he have a different reason,...

(i) You are the nation who, rather than ruling by the Shariah of Allah in its Constitution and Laws, choose to invent your own laws as you will and desire.

oh it is that we don't like his sharia law thing again that is offending him enough to hate US,..

well you may want to give in to his demands.. ,.. but personally I am not...

especially when he starts ranting about our debauchery again,.. dang ol coot should just mind his own business.. :shock: :? :???: :shock: :roll:

(iii) You are a nation that permits the production, trading and usage of intoxicants. You also permit drugs, and only forbid the trade of them, even though your nation is the largest consumer of them.

(iv) You are a nation that permits acts of immorality, and you consider them to be pillars of personal freedom.

Who can forget your President Clinton's immoral acts committed in the official Oval office? After that you did not even bring him to account, other than that he 'made a mistake', after which everything passed with no punishment. Is there a worse kind of event for which your name will go down in history and remembered by nations?

well we were a bit upset with that as well,.. but you didn't see US go and blow up a bunch of our cities or kill a bunch of folk from Arkansas just to show we were mad about it..

(v) You are a nation that permits gambling in its all forms. The companies practice this as well, resulting in the investments becoming active and the criminals becoming rich.

(vi) You are a nation that exploits women like consumer products or advertising tools calling upon customers to purchase them. You use women to serve passengers, visitors, and strangers to increase your profit margins. You then rant that you support the liberation of women.

(vii) You are a nation that practices the trade of sex in all its forms, directly and indirectly. Giant corporations and establishments are established on this, under the name of art, entertainment, tourism and freedom, and other deceptive names you attribute to it.

yeah. I would like for woman not to be exploited,.. but to make them property of a jerk like him.. is not going to fly.. let alone make them wear a burka,..

is this enough Djinwa to see that there was no reasoning with this madman?

sure he goes on to blame US for AIDS and is worried about Jews behind everything... which is really where his problem lies..

he doesn't like Jews.. maybe because many of their more religious folk actually follow their laws instead of forcing other to follow their laws..

but then he goes and calls US racists..
(a)The freedom and democracy that you call to is for yourselves and for white race only

must have really shocked him when Obama had the audacity to order him killed.. :lol:

but wait it gets worse,.. he even blames the 911 attacks on Gitmo..
and our bombing of his strongholds.. for why he planned and financed the killing of thousands of innocent Americans..

What happens in Guatanamo is a historical embarrassment to America and its values, and it screams into your faces - you hypocrites,

yep we were supposed to just let him hijack planes and fly them into buildings... then give in to sharia law.. how dare we attack his camps and jail his thugs...

oh he continues to lay out threats,,,

but I doubt they mean much now that he is looking up to the devil himself...

you see Djinwa,.. it isn't about what we did as much as it is about what we will never do and that is submit to allah the camel god.. or was that the goat god,. I get that mixed up...

I do that,.. like I thought you were being sarcastic,.. but after reading osama's letter explaining why he did it,.. I realized I was just mistaken again,.. .. you weren't sarcastic,.. you had already read his letter explaining why he attacked US.

I mean, 9/11 supposedly happened only because some guys were sitting around and one day decided they hated us because we are rich and free. Yeah, that's right!

so yes,.. that about sums it up..





. I guess sitting in caves, screwing goats and ordering about woman wearing a quilt gets a bit old and they had to blame someone for all their bitterness.. these guys should have just chilled out,.. had a good stiff drink,.. and left US alone,.. and we would have left them alone...
 

Steve

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gmacbeef said:
Fat ASS Christie needs to learn to keep his mouth shut. To keep so many big Macs from going in & so much B.S. from coming out......... :wink:

so instead of getting the stomach stapled he should have gotten his lips stapled.. :lol:
 
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