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Chris Kyle shooting

kolanuraven

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/02/chris-kyle-dead_n_2608772.html


According to local TV station KHOU, officials said that Kyle was shot at point-blank range "while helping another soldier who was recovering from post traumatic stress syndrome" at a range near the town of Glen Rose.


NOW, what about this idea of putting fresh from the war front soldiers as guards in schools?

It's a question worth asking?
 

Broke Cowboy

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I agree with you.

The problem is wide spread and found extensively in US of A, Canada, Australia, England and France - which are the countries that bore the brunt of the effort in one or more of the south eat Asia wars.

What is even more unfortunate is the lack of federal support experienced in all the countries I have mentioned above.

One of the big issues is the fact that many who have been physically wounded are treated far better - even though I find it to be disgracefully lacking - than those who have suffered or do suffer from PTSD.

From a friend I am working with now:

"The saddest thing is that most people give respect to the broken body but not the broken soul. Broken is broken."

That being stated, not everyone is at risk and even the police, fire and ambulance services have their issues as well.

There really is no easy answer to your question in my opinion - someone who comes up with the perfect solution will be far smarter than me

Best to all

BC
 

kolanuraven

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I have a dear, life long family friend who was in Vietnam, he's 65 now and has just started having night terror dreams.

He had never had them before and he is so rattled by it all, he sleeps in the barn in a separate apt. from his family.

I posted this as right after the Newtown shooting, this was the call to arms/quick answer for many.
 

TexasBred

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kolanuraven said:
I have a dear, life long family friend who was in Vietnam, he's 65 now and has just started having night terror dreams.

He had never had them before and he is so rattled by it all, he sleeps in the barn in a separate apt. from his family.

I posted this as right after the Newtown shooting, this was the call to arms/quick answer for many.

This is part of the problem. Here we have a man who KNOWS he has problems yet he simply retires to the barn instead of going to the doctor or a hospital for real help. Doesn't matter if he's 65 or 14. Does his family feel safer with him in the barn??
 

Broke Cowboy

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TexasBred said:
kolanuraven said:
I have a dear, life long family friend who was in Vietnam, he's 65 now and has just started having night terror dreams.

He had never had them before and he is so rattled by it all, he sleeps in the barn in a separate apt. from his family.

I posted this as right after the Newtown shooting, this was the call to arms/quick answer for many.

This is part of the problem. Here we have a man who KNOWS he has problems yet he simply retires to the barn instead of going to the doctor or a hospital for real help. Doesn't matter if he's 65 or 14. Does his family feel safer with him in the barn??

It is not a big problem, it is huge.

The family needs to get involved asap

VA hospital is the best place to start - the doctors and ESPECIALLY the volunteers there know exactly what is going on and can help deal with it

Best to all

BC
 

kolanuraven

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TexasBred said:
kolanuraven said:
I have a dear, life long family friend who was in Vietnam, he's 65 now and has just started having night terror dreams.

He had never had them before and he is so rattled by it all, he sleeps in the barn in a separate apt. from his family.

I posted this as right after the Newtown shooting, this was the call to arms/quick answer for many.

This is part of the problem. Here we have a man who KNOWS he has problems yet he simply retires to the barn instead of going to the doctor or a hospital for real help. Doesn't matter if he's 65 or 14. Does his family feel safer with him in the barn??

Oh, he's going for help. He went as soon as it all started.

He just doesn't trust/feel comfortable with himself.
 

backhoeboogie

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We got a problem in America. We got parents who home school and kids never develop social skills. They wind up bullied and kill themselves or someone else. Got several cases in point from both home school and private school.

This discussion is worthy of hashing out, but not at the expense of Chris Kyle. Not at the expense of the babies at school either.

Please respect families.

Police can be criminals or mentally unstable but we don't bat an eye when they walk into schools.

There is no answer for terrorists and psychos.
 

Larrry

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Heck there are others in society the same way. They might be workin as carry out at the store, the clerk at the convenience store, the carpenter, the architect, the engineer. So are we going to have the government roundem all up to keep us all safe. yep that oughta work......
 

hypocritexposer

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kolanuraven said:
NOW, what about this idea of putting fresh from the war front soldiers as guards in schools?


Not sure who mentioned putting soldiers with PTSD in schools, as armed guards...who was it?

Just the opposite though, there has been lots of discussion about mental health, and firearms. the need for better treatments etc, other than just giving those that are dealing with such problems, a pill, that may make things even worse.

But if fellow vets do not recognize the problem as being debilitating, then I'm not sure family/friends will always recognize it either.

That's when...as BC mentioned that veteran health services should be there.

Isn't obama cutting those services in the US?
 

DustDevil

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Besides the tragedy that it is, something just stinks to me. It is just a little too convenient, it fits the narrative just a little too well being peddled by the likes of Diane Feinstein, that returning Vets are a threat and should be disallowed the Right to Keep and Bear Arms. Not everyone that has recurring nightmares about their experiences are a danger to anyone. Look for the( alleged ) shooter to "commit suicide" in his cell or to be whacked by someone. I can't help but be a conspiracy theorist in a case like this.
 

hypocritexposer

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DustDevil said:
Besides the tragedy that it is, something just stinks to me. It is just a little too convenient, it fits the narrative just a little too well being peddled by the likes of Diane Feinstein, that returning Vets are a threat and should be disallowed the Right to Keep and Bear Arms. Not everyone that has recurring nightmares about their experiences are a danger to anyone. Look for the( alleged ) shooter to "commit suicide" in his cell or to be whacked by someone. I can't help but be a conspiracy theorist in a case like this.


He's not the first "gun nut" to be killed in the last month, or 2.

Heck even those opposed to gun rights are calling for the killing of the NRA president.


:roll:
 

Steve

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gmacbeef said:
Lesson Learned, It may not be wise to take a mentally disturbed person to a shooting range, & give him a gun. :(

I am not sure that is what happened..

he was at the range with a friend... another ex-vet a marine shot the friend and he intervened..

that guy with a long history of mental and other problems then stole his pickup and was later arrested..

like the misinformation from the Newton shooting.. everyone should wait for the facts before jumping to conclusions...

not everyone with PTSD is dangerous.. most go through life and you would never know...
 

Steve

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,... Kyle's murder at a Texas gun range has invited some obvious--and well-deserved--snark from those who oppose the Gun Right's fetish for firearms as a cure all for society's ills.

,... If guns lead to a polite society why was Kyle killed at a gun range--surrounded by all of those guns? If guns make us safe, why couldn't an expert shooter, surrounded by others who are ostensibly very skilled with their guns, fight off his attacker? If teachers can be expected to fight off armed shooters, why couldn't one of the most lethal men on the planet use his gun to stop his murderer?

While those questions score cheap political points, we cannot forget that anyone can get got, as the saying goes, if they let their guard down. Omar from The Wire was killed by a kid at the corner spot. If it can happen to Omar (or Chris Kyle) it too can happen to me, you, or other folks far more dangerous.

War casts a long shadow. Between the blowback, a wrecked economy, and the many tens of thousands of wounded warriors returning home from battle overseas, there are likely to be many more Chris Kyles felled during peacetime.
http://www.dailykos.com

sometimes we should wait and try to say something well or not say much at all...

with all that is wrong in the world... this will not end..

at least these two men were trying to make it a bit better for all of US,..
 

Steve

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"Chris struggled with some things," Cox said. "He'd been through a lot and he handled it with grace, but yeah he did struggle with some things. And he found a healthy outlet and was proactive in his approach to deal with those issues and wanted to help spread his healing, what worked for him, to others. And that's what he died doing."

For Kyle that healthy outlet was exercise. At the heart of FITCO was giving in-home fitness equipment to physically and emotionally wounded veterans, as well as families who had lost a veteran, Cox said.

Littlefield, a 35-year-old friend and neighbor, was Kyle's "workout buddy," and also volunteered his time to work with veterans, Cox said. He was married and had children as well.

"He's a very gentle, sweet-hearted man, just a great man, kind of quiet," Cox said of Littlefield. "He just really cared. ... He wanted to do whatever he could to help veterans and help see that vision of serving others that Chris had. He shared that vision with all of us. He was a great man."

Cox said he understood that Kyle and Littlefield were helping Routh work through his own PTSD, but that he did not know how they came into contact. He said it was not a FITCO session.

Authorities say the three men arrived at the Rough Creek Lodge southwest of Fort Worth around 3:15 p.m. Saturday. A hunting guide discovered the bodies of Kyle and Littlefield around 5 p.m. and called 911.

"That camaraderie is usually missed once the veteran gets out of the military," said Cox, himself a former Marine sniper. "The authentic relationships that you develop in the military, especially overseas and in combat are some of the most meaningful, authentic relationships that one can have and it's missed. And so we tried to create a means through this group of veterans that can gather and talk about things that they're dealing with."

"He (Kyle) didn't have any fear at all as far as working with an extreme case," Cox said. "Just like in combat he would take it on head on and do whatever he could to give these guys assistance. There was no fear in helping anyone that may have an extreme case. He was willing to help anyone in need."

http://www.roughcreek.com/things-to-do/rcl-76thingstodo.pdf
 

hypocritexposer

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So if...Kyle was shooting an assault rifle, and was killed with a handgun, does this make hand guns more dangerous than assault rifles?

:roll:

What did the mass murderers at ft. Hood and the Gabby Giffords shootings use?
 

Mike

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hypocritexposer said:
So if...Kyle was shooting an assault rifle, and was killed with a handgun, does this make hand guns more dangerous than assault rifles?

:roll:

What did the mass murderers at ft. Hood and the Gabby Giffords shootings use?

You've fallen in to their trap. An "Assault Weapon" is fully automatic specifically designed for a military "Assault".

There have been very few civilian instances of violence with a "Machine Gun"/"Assault Weapon". Very few.
 

hypocritexposer

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Mike said:
hypocritexposer said:
So if...Kyle was shooting an assault rifle, and was killed with a handgun, does this make hand guns more dangerous than assault rifles?

:roll:

What did the mass murderers at ft. Hood and the Gabby Giffords shootings use?

You've fallen in to their trap. An "Assault Weapon" is fully automatic specifically designed for a military "Assault".

There have been very few civilian instances of violence with a "Machine Gun"/"Assault Weapon". Very few.


thanks for the reminder. I need to remember to put "" around "assualt weapon".
 

hypocritexposer

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Routh, a member of the Marines Corps Reserve, was first taken to a mental hospital Sept. 2 after he threatened to kill his family and himself, according to police records in Lancaster, where Routh lives. Authorities found Routh walking nearby with no shirt and no shoes, and smelling of alcohol. Routh told authorities he was a Marine veteran who was suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder.


Dallas police records show Routh was taken back to the same mental hospital in mid-January after a woman called police and said she feared for Routh’s safety.

In another brush with authorities, Lancaster police in May responded to a burglary reported by Routh’s mother that included nine pill bottles. Police say Routh was involved but no other details were available.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/02/04/suspect-in-killing-of-slain-seal-chris-kyle-had-been-in-mental-hospital-twice-in-last-five-months/
 
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