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Citizens defined!

hypocritexposer

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Natural Born Citizen (Obama meets #2, but not #1)


1) Both Parents are Citizens AND
2) Born in US

US Constitution
Art. II, Sec. 1, Cl. 5

U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark,
169 U.S. 649 (1898)

Perkins v. Elg,
307 U.S. 325 (1939)


Citizen( Obama meets #1 and #2)

1) Born to at least 1 US citizen parent (under federal statute) OR
2) Born in the US OR
3) Naturalized

US Constitution
14th Amendment,
Sec. 1

U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark,
169 U.S. 649 (1898)

Perkins v. Elg,
307 U.S. 325 (1939)



Native Born Citizen

1) Born in the US

US Constitution
14th Amendment,
Sec. 1

U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark,
169 U.S. 649 (1898)

Perkins v. Elg,
307 U.S. 325 (1939)
 

hypocritexposer

Well-known member
is not a "natural born citizen" because his father was a Kenyan national and a British subject. To be a natural born citizen, a person's parents must BOTH be citizens of the United States of America. Further, that person must be born in the United States.

is a "citizen" because his mother was an American citizen. There are question about his birthplace and whether he was naturalized after his period of time as an Indonesian citizen.

may be a "native born citizen" -- a child born in the United States of foreign (non-citizen) parents. He will have to release his birth certificate, which he hasn't, to ascertain this status.

Court cases so far have been about being a "Citizen" and Native Born Citizen", they have not heard the evidence concerning "Natural Born Citizen", it's pretty obvious what the outcome would be, if they were to hear the evidence!
 

hypocritexposer

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In the official copies of the THIRD U.S. Congress (1795) margin notes state "Former act repealed. 1790. ch. 3." referencing the FIRST U.S. Congress (1790).

Document ONE: the actual text of the THIRD CONGRESS in 1795 states, "...children of citizens [plural, i.e. two parents] of the United States...shall be considered citizens of the United States; Provided That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons, whose fathers have never been resident in the United States..." (THIRD CONGRESS Sess. II. Ch.21. 1795, Approved January 29, 1795, pp. 414-415. Document margin note: "How children shall obtain citizenship through their parents" Document margin note: "Former Act repealed 1790 ch.3.") See Attachment A.

Document TWO: the actual text of the FIRST CONGRESS in 1790 states,
"...children of citizens (NB: plural, i.e. two parents) of the United States...shall be considered as natural born citizens of the United States; Provided That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons, whose fathers have never been resident in the United States..." (FIRST CONGRESS Sess. II Ch.4 1790, Approved March 26, 1790, pp. 103-104. Document margin note: "Their children residing here, deemed citizens." Document margin note: "Also, children of citizens born beyond sea, & c. Exceptions.") See Attachment B.

Document THREE: the actual text of the Constitution from the Continental Congress and the Constitutional Convention, 1774-1789, and subsequent official printings, of the Constitution of the United States of American: Article II Section 1 Clause 5 states,
"No person, except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President…" See Attachment C.
 

alice

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Well then, why don't you gather your little group together and go demand that the Supreme Court not only hear your case, but insist they decide in your favor? There is no doubt in my mind you will be met with open arms and given a ticker tape parade!

You can ask the people on this forum, who disagree with you, why, why, why...10 gazillion different times and 10 gazillion different ways...until it snows in hell...and you are not gonna be satisfied with any answer other than what you want to hear. So why frustrate yourself? Grab your gear, hat up, and go tell those judges how it OUGHT to be.

Alice
 

hypocritexposer

Well-known member
The people that have to decide whether they want it heard or not, is not me, or my little group.

Do we, (all of us), as a group, want to respect the constitution or not?

Not one person here, and another there. On one issue, the constitution is right, on that issue it's wrong!


You are not getting this yet are you Alice, "we the People", have no standing!

The media tells you who to vote for, by not giving you all the info. on one guy, and made up shite on the other!

Not one document on the winner, except an internet leaked BC.

And you have no recourse, none.

Then the guy that the media wanted in, goes ahead and steals everybody's money.

How many trillion are we into this guy for now?

Open up your mind, and see what is going on.

Go through this list and see how many firsts (in history) there are!
 

alice

Well-known member
And I guess all of your rightwing, neocon media have ALL the information and you rightwing neocons are the only ones that can interpret and decide what is right.

Get real...

Alice
 

alice

Well-known member
I'll wait until ya'll storm the Supreme Court of the United States and see what they have to say...and what they decide are "facts."

Alice
 

hypocritexposer

Well-known member
Alice, the courts do not believe you have any right to hear the facts!

Little old you Alice, they don't care about what you think!

In the good old US of A, they do not care, you do not have "standing", is it sinking in yet Alice.
 

alice

Well-known member
Big Muddy rancher said:
alice said:
I'll wait until ya'll storm the Supreme Court of the United States and see what they have to say...and what they decide are "facts."

Alice

Here I am in Dallas where the Heck are you? :D

Got home from Dallas (a 2 1/2 hour drive) about 3 hours ago, as a matter of fact. What's your point?

Alice
 

Big Muddy rancher

Well-known member
alice said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
alice said:
I'll wait until ya'll storm the Supreme Court of the United States and see what they have to say...and what they decide are "facts."

Alice

Here I am in Dallas where the Heck are you? :D

Got home from Dallas (a 2 1/2 hour drive) about 3 hours ago, as a matter of fact. What's your point?

Alice

No point i was just making ridiculous comments like you do. :D
 
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