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Clinton Explains Strike On Iraq

Mike

Well-known member
1998
"Transcript: President Clinton explains Iraq strike
CLINTON: Good evening.

Earlier today, I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors.

Their purpose is to protect the national interest of the United States, and indeed the interests of people throughout the Middle East and around the world.

Saddam Hussein must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas or biological weapons.

I want to explain why I have decided, with the unanimous recommendation of my national security team, to use force in Iraq; why we have acted now; and what we aim to accomplish.

Six weeks ago, Saddam Hussein announced that he would no longer cooperate with the United Nations weapons inspectors called UNSCOM. They are highly professional experts from dozens of countries. Their job is to oversee the elimination of Iraq's capability to retain, create and use weapons of mass destruction, and to verify that Iraq does not attempt to rebuild that capability.

The inspectors undertook this mission first 7.5 years ago at the end of the Gulf War when Iraq agreed to declare and destroy its arsenal as a condition of the ceasefire.

The international community had good reason to set this requirement. Other countries possess weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missiles. With Saddam, there is one big difference: He has used them. Not once, but repeatedly. Unleashing chemical weapons against Iranian troops during a decade-long war. Not only against soldiers, but against civilians, firing Scud missiles at the citizens of Israel, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and Iran. And not only against a foreign enemy, but even against his own people, gassing Kurdish civilians in Northern Iraq.

The international community had little doubt then, and I have no doubt today, that left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will use these terrible weapons again.

The United States has patiently worked to preserve UNSCOM as Iraq has sought to avoid its obligation to cooperate with the inspectors. On occasion, we've had to threaten military force, and Saddam has backed down.

Faced with Saddam's latest act of defiance in late October, we built intensive diplomatic pressure on Iraq backed by overwhelming military force in the region. The UN Security Council voted 15 to zero to condemn Saddam's actions and to demand that he immediately come into compliance.

Eight Arab nations -- Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, United Arab Emirates and Oman -- warned that Iraq alone would bear responsibility for the consequences of defying the UN.

When Saddam still failed to comply, we prepared to act militarily. It was only then at the last possible moment that Iraq backed down. It pledged to the UN that it had made, and I quote, a clear and unconditional decision to resume cooperation with the weapons inspectors.

I decided then to call off the attack with our airplanes already in the air because Saddam had given in to our demands. I concluded then that the right thing to do was to use restraint and give Saddam one last chance to prove his willingness to cooperate.

I made it very clear at that time what unconditional cooperation meant, based on existing UN resolutions and Iraq's own commitments. And along with Prime Minister Blair of Great Britain, I made it equally clear that if Saddam failed to cooperate fully, we would be prepared to act without delay, diplomacy or warning.

Now over the past three weeks, the UN weapons inspectors have carried out their plan for testing Iraq's cooperation. The testing period ended this weekend, and last night, UNSCOM's chairman, Richard Butler, reported the results to UN Secretary-General Annan.

The conclusions are stark, sobering and profoundly disturbing.

In four out of the five categories set forth, Iraq has failed to cooperate. Indeed, it actually has placed new restrictions on the inspectors. Here are some of the particulars.

Iraq repeatedly blocked UNSCOM from inspecting suspect sites. For example, it shut off access to the headquarters of its ruling party and said it will deny access to the party's other offices, even though UN resolutions make no exception for them and UNSCOM has inspected them in the past.

Iraq repeatedly restricted UNSCOM's ability to obtain necessary evidence. For example, Iraq obstructed UNSCOM's effort to photograph bombs related to its chemical weapons program.

It tried to stop an UNSCOM biological weapons team from videotaping a site and photocopying documents and prevented Iraqi personnel from answering UNSCOM's questions.

Prior to the inspection of another site, Iraq actually emptied out the building, removing not just documents but even the furniture and the equipment.

Iraq has failed to turn over virtually all the documents requested by the inspectors. Indeed, we know that Iraq ordered the destruction of weapons-related documents in anticipation of an UNSCOM inspection.

So Iraq has abused its final chance.

As the UNSCOM reports concludes, and again I quote, "Iraq's conduct ensured that no progress was able to be made in the fields of disarmament.

"In light of this experience, and in the absence of full cooperation by Iraq, it must regrettably be recorded again that the commission is not able to conduct the work mandated to it by the Security Council with respect to Iraq's prohibited weapons program."

In short, the inspectors are saying that even if they could stay in Iraq, their work would be a sham.

Saddam's deception has defeated their effectiveness. Instead of the inspectors disarming Saddam, Saddam has disarmed the inspectors.

This situation presents a clear and present danger to the stability of the Persian Gulf and the safety of people everywhere. The international community gave Saddam one last chance to resume cooperation with the weapons inspectors. Saddam has failed to seize the chance.

And so we had to act and act now.

Let me explain why.

First, without a strong inspection system, Iraq would be free to retain and begin to rebuild its chemical, biological and nuclear weapons programs in months, not years.

Second, if Saddam can crippled the weapons inspection system and get away with it, he would conclude that the international community -- led by the United States -- has simply lost its will. He will surmise that he has free rein to rebuild his arsenal of destruction, and someday -- make no mistake -- he will use it again as he has in the past.

Third, in halting our air strikes in November, I gave Saddam a chance, not a license. If we turn our backs on his defiance, the credibility of U.S. power as a check against Saddam will be destroyed. We will not only have allowed Saddam to shatter the inspection system that controls his weapons of mass destruction program; we also will have fatally undercut the fear of force that stops Saddam from acting to gain domination in the region.

That is why, on the unanimous recommendation of my national security team -- including the vice president, the secretary of defense, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, the secretary of state and the national security adviser -- I have ordered a strong, sustained series of air strikes against Iraq.

They are designed to degrade Saddam's capacity to develop and deliver weapons of mass destruction, and to degrade his ability to threaten his neighbors.

At the same time, we are delivering a powerful message to Saddam. If you act recklessly, you will pay a heavy price. We acted today because, in the judgment of my military advisers, a swift response would provide the most surprise and the least opportunity for Saddam to prepare.

If we had delayed for even a matter of days from Chairman Butler's report, we would have given Saddam more time to disperse his forces and protect his weapons.

Also, the Muslim holy month of Ramadan begins this weekend. For us to initiate military action during Ramadan would be profoundly offensive to the Muslim world and, therefore, would damage our relations with Arab countries and the progress we have made in the Middle East.

That is something we wanted very much to avoid without giving Iraq's a month's head start to prepare for potential action against it.

Finally, our allies, including Prime Minister Tony Blair of Great Britain, concurred that now is the time to strike. I hope Saddam will come into cooperation with the inspection system now and comply with the relevant UN Security Council resolutions. But we have to be prepared that he will not, and we must deal with the very real danger he poses.

So we will pursue a long-term strategy to contain Iraq and its weapons of mass destruction and work toward the day when Iraq has a government worthy of its people.

First, we must be prepared to use force again if Saddam takes threatening actions, such as trying to reconstitute his weapons of mass destruction or their delivery systems, threatening his neighbors, challenging allied aircraft over Iraq or moving against his own Kurdish citizens.

The credible threat to use force, and when necessary, the actual use of force, is the surest way to contain Saddam's weapons of mass destruction program, curtail his aggression and prevent another Gulf War.

Second, so long as Iraq remains out of compliance, we will work with the international community to maintain and enforce economic sanctions. Sanctions have cost Saddam more than $120 billion -- resources that would have been used to rebuild his military. The sanctions system allows Iraq to sell oil for food, for medicine, for other humanitarian supplies for the Iraqi people.

We have no quarrel with them. But without the sanctions, we would see the oil-for-food program become oil-for-tanks, resulting in a greater threat to Iraq's neighbors and less food for its people.

The hard fact is that so long as Saddam remains in power, he threatens the well-being of his people, the peace of his region, the security of the world.

The best way to end that threat once and for all is with a new Iraqi government -- a government ready to live in peace with its neighbors, a government that respects the rights of its people. Bringing change in Baghdad will take time and effort. We will strengthen our engagement with the full range of Iraqi opposition forces and work with them effectively and prudently.

The decision to use force is never cost-free. Whenever American forces are placed in harm's way, we risk the loss of life. And while our strikes are focused on Iraq's military capabilities, there will be unintended Iraqi casualties.

Indeed, in the past, Saddam has intentionally placed Iraqi civilians in harm's way in a cynical bid to sway international opinion.

We must be prepared for these realities. At the same time, Saddam should have absolutely no doubt if he lashes out at his neighbors, we will respond forcefully.

Heavy as they are, the costs of action must be weighed against the price of inaction. If Saddam defies the world and we fail to respond, we will face a far greater threat in the future. Saddam will strike again at his neighbors. He will make war on his own people.

And mark my words, he will develop weapons of mass destruction. He will deploy them, and he will use them.

Because we're acting today, it is less likely that we will face these dangers in the future.

Let me close by addressing one other issue. Saddam Hussein and the other enemies of peace may have thought that the serious debate currently before the House of Representatives would distract Americans or weaken our resolve to face him down.

But once more, the United States has proven that although we are never eager to use force, when we must act in America's vital interests, we will do so.

In the century we're leaving, America has often made the difference between chaos and community, fear and hope. Now, in the new century, we'll have a remarkable opportunity to shape a future more peaceful than the past, but only if we stand strong against the enemies of peace.

Tonight, the United States is doing just that. May God bless and protect the brave men and women who are carrying out this vital mission and their families. And may God bless America. "
 

Jinglebob

Well-known member
Oh, this can't possibly be right, why GW would be the only one to send troops in without any backing and using made up stories to make it sound like we'd even need to do something like this. :roll:
 

Mike

Well-known member
I like this statement:

"The hard fact is that so long as Saddam remains in power, he threatens the well-being of his people, the peace of his region, the security of the world. "
 

schnurrbart

Well-known member
Jinglebob said:
Oh, this can't possibly be right, why GW would be the only one to send troops in without any backing and using made up stories to make it sound like we'd even need to do something like this. :roll:

Did Clinton invade Iraq? Gee, I must have been asleep when that happened. Did we win? Did bush continue this war after he got into office? Fill us in on this invasion.
 

Jinglebob

Well-known member
schnurrbart said:
Jinglebob said:
Oh, this can't possibly be right, why GW would be the only one to send troops in without any backing and using made up stories to make it sound like we'd even need to do something like this. :roll:

Did Clinton invade Iraq? Gee, I must have been asleep when that happened. Did we win? Did bush continue this war after he got into office? Fill us in on this invasion.

I figured out you were a liberal, but I guess I misjudged your ability to read. :roll:
 

Mike

Well-known member
Did Clinton invade Iraq? Gee, I must have been asleep when that happened. Did we win? Did bush continue this war after he got into office? Fill us in on this invasion.

No, he bombed some aspirin factory and piddled around with Iraq.

Maybe he should have gone in full force but didn't because he was too worried about his legacy.

Some people have guts and some don't.

You want to discuss the Balkan War?



Blunder in the Balkans
The Clinton Administration's Bungled War against Serbia

by Christopher Layne

Christopher Layne is a visiting scholar at the Center for International Studies at the University of Southern California and a MacArthur Foundation Fellow in Global Security.

Executive Summary

The Clinton administration has made one miscalculation after another in dealing with the Kosovo crisis. U.S. officials and their NATO colleagues never understood the historical and emotional importance of Kosovo to the Serbian people, believing instead that Belgrade's harsh repression of the ethnic Albanian secessionist movement in Kosovo merely reflected the will of President Slobodan Milosevic of Yugoslavia. The administration's foreign policy team mistakenly concluded that, under a threat of air strikes, the Yugoslav government would sign a dictated peace accord (the Rambouillet agreement) to be implemented by a NATO peacekeeping force in Kosovo. Even if Milosevic initially refused to sign the Rambouillet agreement, administration leaders believed that Belgrade would relent after a brief "demonstration" bombing campaign. Those calculations proved to be disastrously wrong.

President Clinton and his advisers justified their decision to use force with two arguments: that NATO bombing was needed to prevent a Serbian military offensive in Kosovo with attendant "ethnic cleansing," and that vigorous action was essential to prevent the Kosovo conflict from spilling over into neighboring states, thereby destabilizing the southern Balkans. Administration leaders also hoped that NATO pressure would undermine Milosevic's political power and embolden the democratic opposition in Serbia. The bombing campaign has been wholly counterproductive with regard to all three objectives.

Administration officials have committed miscalculations eerily reminiscent of faulty U.S. assumptions during the Vietnam War. Those mistakes include overestimating the effectiveness of air power; underestimating the willingness of the target government and population to fight for their homeland; and demonizing the opposing political leader, thus making a negotiated settlement more difficult.

Even if Belgrade finally capitulates, the adverse effects of the administration's actions already constitute a policy fiasco. Instability in the Balkans is far worse than before the bombing. Relations with Russia are now at their worst point since the darkest days of the Cold War. And the bombing of China's embassy in Belgrade has caused a serious rift in the Sino-American relationship. NATO's bombing campaign has produced a humanitarian catastrophe in Kosovo, the rest of Serbia, and neighboring countries. Good intentions alone cannot excuse the negative consequences of U.S. Kosovo policy.

Full Text of Policy Analysis No. 345 (PDF, 19 pgs, 138 Kb)

© 1999 The Cato Institute
 

Jinglebob

Well-known member
Mike said:
Jinglebob said:
Now Mike, you know you can't say anything against Clinton, as he was a god to these people. :roll:

Like HE!! I can't! :lol:

Oh sure, you can, but they will just whine and castigate you as they are too blind to see the truth and sure as hell don't want to hear or see it, just like them liberals who are "reporting" about Iraq. They forget that honest people are in touch with the soldiers and we really do know the truth about what is going on over there. You see, we have instant messaging thru' the internet! :D

Bet Al Gore wishes he hadn't invented it now. :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I can't wait until we can all vote over the internet. Then they will be totally screwed! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

hopalong

Well-known member
Jinglebob said:
schnurrbart said:
Jinglebob said:
Oh, this can't possibly be right, why GW would be the only one to send troops in without any backing and using made up stories to make it sound like we'd even need to do something like this. :roll:

Did Clinton invade Iraq? Gee, I must have been asleep when that happened. Did we win? Did bush continue this war after he got into office? Fill us in on this invasion.

I figured out you were a liberal, but I guess I misjudged your ability to read. :roll:

Come on guys you do not really expect these liberals to read do you?
They only look and then think they know it all, Or read what the want to and then try to make us believe something else with their show me questions, which of course when you supply them the answer thet won't read anyway! :roll: :roll: :roll: Or can't read! :D :D :D
 

Frankk

Well-known member
Mike said:
Did Clinton invade Iraq? Gee, I must have been asleep when that happened. Did we win? Did bush continue this war after he got into office? Fill us in on this invasion.

No, he bombed some aspirin factory and piddled around with Iraq.

Maybe he should have gone in full force but didn't because he was too worried about his legacy.

Some people have guts and some don't.

You want to discuss the Balkan War?



Blunder in the Balkans
The Clinton Administration's Bungled War against Serbia

by Christopher Layne

Christopher Layne is a visiting scholar at the Center for International Studies at the University of Southern California and a MacArthur Foundation Fellow in Global Security.

Executive Summary

The Clinton administration has made one miscalculation after another in dealing with the Kosovo crisis. U.S. officials and their NATO colleagues never understood the historical and emotional importance of Kosovo to the Serbian people, believing instead that Belgrade's harsh repression of the ethnic Albanian secessionist movement in Kosovo merely reflected the will of President Slobodan Milosevic of Yugoslavia. The administration's foreign policy team mistakenly concluded that, under a threat of air strikes, the Yugoslav government would sign a dictated peace accord (the Rambouillet agreement) to be implemented by a NATO peacekeeping force in Kosovo. Even if Milosevic initially refused to sign the Rambouillet agreement, administration leaders believed that Belgrade would relent after a brief "demonstration" bombing campaign. Those calculations proved to be disastrously wrong.

President Clinton and his advisers justified their decision to use force with two arguments: that NATO bombing was needed to prevent a Serbian military offensive in Kosovo with attendant "ethnic cleansing," and that vigorous action was essential to prevent the Kosovo conflict from spilling over into neighboring states, thereby destabilizing the southern Balkans. Administration leaders also hoped that NATO pressure would undermine Milosevic's political power and embolden the democratic opposition in Serbia. The bombing campaign has been wholly counterproductive with regard to all three objectives.

Administration officials have committed miscalculations eerily reminiscent of faulty U.S. assumptions during the Vietnam War. Those mistakes include overestimating the effectiveness of air power; underestimating the willingness of the target government and population to fight for their homeland; and demonizing the opposing political leader, thus making a negotiated settlement more difficult.

Even if Belgrade finally capitulates, the adverse effects of the administration's actions already constitute a policy fiasco. Instability in the Balkans is far worse than before the bombing. Relations with Russia are now at their worst point since the darkest days of the Cold War. And the bombing of China's embassy in Belgrade has caused a serious rift in the Sino-American relationship. NATO's bombing campaign has produced a humanitarian catastrophe in Kosovo, the rest of Serbia, and neighboring countries. Good intentions alone cannot excuse the negative consequences of U.S. Kosovo policy.

Full Text of Policy Analysis No. 345 (PDF, 19 pgs, 138 Kb)

© 1999 The Cato Institute
So Bush has guts? He must of found some after he came out of hiding in the reserves, or does it take more guts to send someone elses childern to war than go yourself.
 

hopalong

Well-known member
Frankk said:
Mike said:
Did Clinton invade Iraq? Gee, I must have been asleep when that happened. Did we win? Did bush continue this war after he got into office? Fill us in on this invasion.

No, he bombed some aspirin factory and piddled around with Iraq.

Maybe he should have gone in full force but didn't because he was too worried about his legacy.

Some people have guts and some don't.

You want to discuss the Balkan War?




So Bush has guts? He must of found some after he came out of hiding in the reserves, or does it take more guts to send someone elses childern to war than go yourself.

Gee the reservists hide?
Fraank are you aware that the reserves can be called to active duty at all times??
That reserves have and fought in all wars since they were first assembled?
ARE you saying reserves lack guts?

You must be liberal, You only spout half facts. :roll: :roll:
 

Frankk

Well-known member
hopalong said:
Frankk said:
Mike said:
No, he bombed some aspirin factory and piddled around with Iraq.

Maybe he should have gone in full force but didn't because he was too worried about his legacy.

Some people have guts and some don't.

You want to discuss the Balkan War?




So Bush has guts? He must of found some after he came out of hiding in the reserves, or does it take more guts to send someone elses childern to war than go yourself.

Gee the reservists hide?
Fraank are you aware that the reserves can be called to active duty at all times??
That reserves have and fought in all wars since they were first assembled?
ARE you saying reserves lack guts?

You must be liberal, You only spout half facts. :roll: :roll:
Being in the reserves during the Viet Nam War was a pretty safe bet you were not going to see acitve combat, and yes I am saying reservist George Bush has no guts, also Chenny, Runsfield and Wolforitz all chicken hawks.

By the way calling me a liberal is like calling you a white boy.
 
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Being in the reserves during the Viet Nam War was a pretty safe bet you were not going to see acitve combat,

Frankk--While that was not true with WWII (my Dad was part of a NG callup that was called up in 1940 in preparation for the war- and the unit- 163rd infantry 41st Division- didn't get discharged until 1945) or Korea- you are pretty much right about the Viet Nam era for Reserves and National Guard.....During that era they were mainly thought of and utilized as home defense....

If you could get in either- you were pretty safe...Most NG units had quite a waiting list and getting in was based a lot on "the good old boy" policy....And around here that meant you had to be a good beer drinker that was willing to play that game-- and you had to be willing to kick your weekend earnings into the party fund....

Some of the National Guard units back in the 60's-70's were more a joke than anything else....Trained mostly in helping out floods, fires, state workers strikes, or prison riots.... Most of the weekend trainings centered around beer drinking....One of the more enjoyed weekend trainings was to take several cases of beer and jeeps with ma deuces and see how many antelope they could get-- called it live fire practice....
One other unit left half their M-14's and equipment home on the way to summer camp, so they could haul more beer in the deuce and halfs.... Since they forgot their cots they slept on the beer cases for beds... :roll:

But that has definitely changed for the better again-- these guys now are trained to be soldiers...
 

Frankk

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Oldtimer said:
Being in the reserves during the Viet Nam War was a pretty safe bet you were not going to see acitve combat,

Frankk--While that was not true with WWII (my Dad was part of a NG callup that was called up in 1940 in preparation for the war- and the unit- 163rd infantry 41st Division- didn't get discharged until 1945) or Korea- you are pretty much right about the Viet Nam era for Reserves and National Guard.....During that era they were mainly thought of and utilized as home defense....

If you could get in either- you were pretty safe...Most NG units had quite a waiting list and getting in was based a lot on "the good old boy" policy....And around here that meant you had to be a good beer drinker that was willing to play that game-- and you had to be willing to kick your weekend earnings into the party fund....

Some of the National Guard units back in the 60's-70's were more a joke than anything else....Trained mostly in helping out floods, fires, state workers strikes, or prison riots.... Most of the weekend trainings centered around beer drinking....One of the more enjoyed weekend trainings was to take several cases of beer and jeeps with ma deuces and see how many antelope they could get-- called it live fire practice....
One other unit left half their M-14's and equipment home on the way to summer camp, so they could haul more beer in the deuce and halfs.... Since they forgot their cots they slept on the beer cases for beds... :roll:

But that has definitely changed for the better again-- these guys now are trained to be soldiers...
Thanks OT it is definitely true the men and women reservist of before Viet Nam and current are honorable people with guts. it just rubs me the wrong way when people put this current bunch in the white house in the same catergory
 

hotdryplace

Active member
Only to a liberal is service in the Guard or Reserve a dishonor, while giving encouragement to our nations enemies is considered patriotism. With a stroke of the pen the Johnson or Nixon could have activated these units.That they did not is considered (by the military) to be one of the greatest mistakes of the Vietnam War. If it was a dishonor then it's a dishonor before or since.


LIBERALS= PROUDLY ATTACKING OUR DEFENDERS AND DEFENDING OUR ATTACKERS FOR OVER FORTY YEARS.
 

hopalong

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hotdryplace said:
Only to a liberal is service in the Guard or Reserve a dishonor, while giving encouragement to our nations enemies is considered patriotism. With a stroke of the pen the Johnson or Nixon could have activated these units.That they did not is considered (by the military) to be one of the greatest mistakes of the Vietnam War. If it was a dishonor then it's a dishonor before or since.


LIBERALS= PROUDLY ATTACKING OUR DEFENDERS AND DEFENDING OUR ATTACKERS FOR OVER FORTY YEARS.


:agree: :D :D :D
 

Frankk

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hotdryplace said:
Only to a liberal is service in the Guard or Reserve a dishonor, while giving encouragement to our nations enemies is considered patriotism. With a stroke of the pen the Johnson or Nixon could have activated these units.That they did not is considered (by the military) to be one of the greatest mistakes of the Vietnam War. If it was a dishonor then it's a dishonor before or since.


LIBERALS= PROUDLY ATTACKING OUR DEFENDERS AND DEFENDING OUR ATTACKERS FOR OVER FORTY YEARS.

I am not sure where you got that anyone serving in the Guard or Resereve was dishonorable. I have no problem with whatever method a person took to keep from serving in Viet Nam whether it be deferment, reserve or guard. It just didn't take guts. although Viet Nam wasn't bad duty "if you were in the rear"


What this currnent bunch in the white house did to avoid active service in Viet Nam was prefectly legal. If I had been from a rich powerful family I would have probably enjoyed playing around with jet planes also
 

Mike

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What this currnent bunch in the white house did to avoid active service in Viet Nam was prefectly legal. If I had been from a rich powerful family I would have probably enjoyed playing around with jet planes also

While you're at it, why don't you tell us how honorable Clinton's military service was? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
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Mike said:
What this currnent bunch in the white house did to avoid active service in Viet Nam was prefectly legal. If I had been from a rich powerful family I would have probably enjoyed playing around with jet planes also

While you're at it, why don't you tell us how honorable Clinton's military service was? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

If I remember right- he put in his Vietnam tour at Oxford smoking weed...But it was OK because he didn't inhale :wink: :lol:
 
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