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QUESTION

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CEDAR everything killed and processed in canada is inspected and labeled but some is then repackaged in the US . We have nothing to do with that. How many other countries sell live animals to be fed out to US buyers? The problem we have is getting the product of canada sticker under the hide as a calf and having it stay on the carcass on until it is fed out, killed, and processed in the US. A US feeder buys a calf from canada, feeds it sends it to the plants they turn the calf a product of canada into steaks , roasts and burger that is a product of the US as that is where it is manufactured. Have you bought car or truck made in the US , it has parts made in other countries not to mention canadian steel and aluminum so under COOL it isn't a product of the US. If the US consumer wants COOL apply the rules to everything produced in the US wouldn't that be fair. Or is being unfair the reason for COOL.
So it isn't canadians trying to hide their product but US based packers repackaging may be you should not allow that.
I don't know how much more clear to make it, after an animal is bought by a US buyer and crosses the border it isn't our responsiblity. Or do you think Canadians should have unfettered acess to to everything maufactured in the US.
 

Mrs.Greg

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cedardell said:
China labels all their products, why can't the canucks label theirs? Will one of you canucks explain why you can't label your beef? Are you trying to disguise it?
No but it looks like you guys are,its labled when it hits your soil,explain what happens from there,and why :???: ??????????????
 

HAY MAKER

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Well,Im glad you canadians see the problem.........packers removing product of canada labels......... M COOL will fix that..............good luck
 

HAY MAKER

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Country of Origin Labelling under fire

Joyce Cassin
Local News - Monday, August 13, 2007 @ 09:00

Country Of Origin Labelling (COOL) isn't likely to help Canada's beef, pork and lamb industries with sales south of the border if the provision, part of the U.S. Farm Bill, gets congressional approval.

"And if this is proposed it will violate NAFTA and WTO agreements already in place," said Lianne Appleby, communications manager for the Ontario Cattlemen's Association.

Currently, Canadian livestock shipped to the U.S. and slaughtered there is marked as U.S. origin. But under COOL, which could take effect September 30, 2008, only animals born, raised and slaughtered in the U.S. would be considered of U.S. origin. All others would be labelled according to their true country of origin, regardless of where they are slaughtered.

"Beef products of Canada will be labelled as such, and that presents marketing challenges for Canadian beef," Ms. Appleby said.


As currently enacted, COOL would dramatically reduce U.S. market access for Canadian pork and beef producers, stated a release from the Canadian Cattlemen's Association (CCA), which is actively lobbying Ottawa to take action against COOL.

"COOL proposes that cattle must be born and raised in the U.S. to be labelled U.S.," said Ms. Appleby. "That creates cost problems for U.S. retailers/packers who are currently sourcing Canadian beef, as COOL may make it more expensive for them to continue sourcing cattle from here. The U.S. government has previously acknowledged COOL's benefits are small and it has no relation to either human or animal safety."

Canadian producers anticipate significant difficulties selling hogs and cattle to U.S. slaughterhouses that would seek to minimize the cost of tracking meat from foreign animals. Loss of the U.S. market would trigger an adjustment period in which hogs and cattle intended for U.S. export would instead be sold in the Canadian market, driving down Canadian prices to the detriment of all producers here, the CCA stated.

Ms. Appleby also said the law contravenes U.S. obligations to avoid unnecessary obstacles to international trade, to avoid materially reducing the value of imported products, to administer its laws uniformly and reasonably, and not to nullify or impair benefits that accrue to other parties under the World Trade Organization.

The cattlemen want Ottawa to issue a public statement on COOL's potential to violate both NAFTA and WTO agreements, begin expressing concerns with trade legislators in Congress, as well as with the U.S. Department of Agriculture, and American trade representative.

Northumberland-Quinte West MP Rick Norlock said he is disappointed the U.S. is continuing on this track.

"It's my personal belief that this is just one more step in trying to close the border to Canadian beef and increase the price of their beef," he said.

Mr. Norlock said it's a "small minor roadblock" and they plan to work with the Canadian industry and other allies who would be negatively affected, if COOL passes.

He also said he has been talking with the big chain grocery stores to have more local and Canadian products on the shelves to try to help Canadian producers of all types.

"I understand that they're willing to provide it," said Mr. Norlock. "But customers have to keep encouraging them to buy local - and the customers always get what they want."
 

Sandhusker

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Mrs.Greg said:
cedardell said:
China labels all their products, why can't the canucks label theirs? Will one of you canucks explain why you can't label your beef? Are you trying to disguise it?
No but it looks like you guys are,its labled when it hits your soil,explain what happens from there,and why :???: ??????????????

The packers want to have all options open so they can buy the cheapest beef they can find to sell to consumers. They don't want consumers to get in the habit of buying Canadian or US beef because that makes it tougher for them to pawn off the bargain global beef du jour, whether that be Brazilian, Australian, Argentinian, or whatever. They know the money is made in the buying, not the selling.
 
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QUESTION said:
OT check the facts Atlanic beef has restructured and is not going anywhere, the problem was they wanted more money from the PEI government and did not get it. But since the restructuring they do not need more money and expect to turn a profit in the new year.
As for ranchers beef in Ab. the partners include Cor Van Ray. NUff said they won't be going under any time soon. They may be bought out a big US packer. But they won't be closing the doors anytime soon. :roll:
There was also mention on the same thread of Lakside and Cargill closing their plants :roll: . I don't see that happening either. As that would mean big US packers giving up huge profits. And we all know US packers hate huge profits. :roll: :lol:
Nice try though. But next time deal in facts not rumors. I asked for where plants closed and ceased operations not rumors.
I know facts aren't your strong suit. :roll:

Must be just another lying bunch of Canucks on Agriville-- Eh :???: :wink: :lol: :lol:

Questionable--You better go up there and straighten out that lying rkaiser and redcountry then.... :lol: :lol: :lol:

Sorry- until I see some proof from you- I have to believe ol Kaiser and them as they have credibility compared to nothing but bull shiest from you.....At least old Kaiser tells you who he is, where he's from, what he does- and doesn't hide behind 10 different user names.... :roll:
 

QUESTION

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You are one to talk arroyo, i mean willow creek, i meam Oldtimer, etc,etc,etc. :oops: Maybe you can go to CBC news site that is where the report is that Atlantic beef isn't closing and profits are expected. :roll:
I know Cor Van Ray used to work for him and have emailed him a copy of the thread, he replied and his email said it was a internal issue but assured me ranchers beef will not be closing and they are looking doing more construction. He has always been straight shooter when ever i have dealings with him so i have no reason to doubt what he says. Unlike your self.
Boy you sure like name calling what grade are you in? :roll: So keep on slandering me i am above calling names. Those type of actions just show what kind of person you are. Rather than admitting when you are wrong you call names,make personal attacks,and change the subject. That is not a mature way to act. I was taught that when mistaken admit it be up front and honest and nobody can impune you reputation. I make my living from cattle can you say the same . No you say you had a bunch of jobs and are now raising horses. :roll:
 
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Still- until I see a whole lot more proof- I have to believe ol Kaiser and them as they have credibility compared to nothing but bull shiest from you.....Your credibility track history is still sitting at about 0......
 

QUESTION

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What do you want? The e-mail adresses for some of the shareholers from Rancher's beef? I'll Do that for you if you e-mail me a list of all the voting members of r-calf first. Or if you want to confirm the status of rancher's beef you can just go to their web site and click on the contact us button they will tell you the same thing i did. But you will probably say they don't know anything about their own company. :roll: That same thread you quoted said cargill will be closing their most profitable plant in canada - high river alberta ,is that going to happen too. :roll:
As for atlantic beef check the cbc web site. Or go to atlantic beff inc. web site. If you so despeartly want to prove me wrong check the sites out. :evil: Do i have to spoon feed you or can you look it up on your own.
I could careless what you think about my credibility. The truth is i have built a seedstck business up here and sell most of my bulls locally on a handshake, because people in my surrounding area know if you want a good working bull from a staright forward guy who doesn't mess around, who sells working cattle that last you come to me.
Talking about credibility i thought you said the Van Dyke cattle weren't his. LMAO :lol: and that US citizens couldn't buy land in canada.
I await your childish name calling and character assainations again as that is all you can do. You were wrong yet again just like you were on the fact that foriegners can't buy land in SK. LMAO . You seemed to disappear with you tail between your legs, peeing on the floor like a scolded dog when you found out that you were wrong on that one. So all i can say is disappear again or go off on some tangent about canadians defrauding the US consumer when it is US packers doing something that the USDA allows and blame canadians, maybe another character assination of those who are too classy to respond in kind. It seems you like throwing low blows when you know someone is above taking cheap shots in return. I would give even some credibility if you made your living from cattle. But you have never had to do that either. You worked a 9 to 5 job and now have a few horses big whoop. You didn't have it in you to make it as a rancher , so at least now you live the life of a cattleman even if it is only on the internet. :roll: the old saying is true just becuse you own a $10 straw cowboy hat doens't mean you are a cattleman.
Have a nice day :cboy:
 

ranch hand

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Boy you sure like name calling what grade are you in? So keep on slandering me i am above calling names. Those type of actions just show what kind of person you are. Rather than admitting when you are wrong you call names,make personal attacks,and change the subject. That is not a mature way to act. I was taught that when mistaken admit it be up front and honest and nobody can impune you reputation
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I await your childish name calling and character assainations again as that is all you can do.

You seemed to disappear with you tail between your legs, peeing on the floor like a scolded dog when you found out that you were wrong on that one.

You didn't have it in you to make it as a rancher , so at least now you live the life of a cattleman even if it is only on the internet. the old saying is true just becuse you own a $10 straw cowboy hat doens't mean you are a cattleman.

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QUESTION

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Name calling , character assainations - did i do that. No the fact is when OT knows he is wrong he changes the subject or goes and hides for a few weeks. He doesen't come clean and admit when he is wrong.
I admit i was wrong for me to compare him to a dog, but the truth is he has never ranched in his life, always worked 9 top 5 . So he is an acreage owner with some hayburners. So what makes make him a expert on the cattle business.
Please look up how many times OT has made a personal attack,calls names and assainates another character of people he disagrees with compared to myself.
 
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Anonymous

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Three days you've whined and moaned about me---But you still haven't gone to Agriville and called ol Kaiser or redcountry liars yet-- or even questioned them on their sources....

Still haven't offered a bit of this "proof" to your fellow countrymen on their web site to contradict what they said...

How much money you got stuck in one of these Slaughterplants that they keep stringing you along with the old "internal issue" or "design problems" line :???: Could it be you see only what you HOPE you are seeing :???:
 
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Anonymous

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Questionable-- You better find another source...For some reason this news article does not give out an aura of confidence... :wink: :lol: :lol:

8/15/2007 9:29:00 AM


Canada: Loss Of Atlantic Beef Plant Could Be Devastating




The chair of the Atlantic Farmers Council told local media he fears the closure of the region's only beef processing plant could be devastating to an industry that can't afford another blow.


Doug Bacon said there's a whole list of spinoff effects that people aren't considering, the biggest of which is the loss of the only processing plant in Atlantic Canada. This would force beef farmers to send cattle to Ontario, increasing the cost of production and making it more difficult for local farmers to compete against cheaper imports.



Bacon is calling on the four Atlantic provinces to take an active role in saving the facility not just by pouring money into the facility but by taking a greater role in its management. He believes it's an ideal opportunity for provincial governments to support the local industry by using locally-produced meat in provincial institutions, such as Nova Scotia is planning.



The Atlantic Beef Products board of directors announced earlier this week that is has about 25 days to save the processing plant before the P.E.I. government stops subsidizing it. The board took out ads in newspapers in Halifax and New Brunswick asking the premiers of Nova Scotia and New Brunswick to contribute financially to the plant's survival.



Details at amherstdaily.com



Source: Canadian Meat Business
 

QUESTION

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I see the article doen not mention anywhere that the plant is actually closing, but rather that they want more goverment funding as it will be easier to operate with more government funding. And that IF ABI actually did close it would be devastating to the Maritime beef producers. Where did you read they were closed OT. I do not see it. :roll:
I see you want me to go on another website and attack canadian producers , sorry you have to fight your own battles. :roll: Actually in these particual plants i have no money invested in them. I just know some of the owners of one of them. The fact it is supposed to be an internal issue is funny as you want to know what is going on in a private company but you think a non-profit agency like r-calf should be able to keep everything hidden.
As for going out and trying to get sorces from another website and other producers, i it is a waste of time i know my sorces are accurate. So respond with character assaniation, name calling ,twisting words and what ever else you think you have to do . It must be tough when you are wrong and can't admit it.
 
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Questionable-- Looks to me like your sources are the same as they normally are--WRONG :( :lol: :lol: :lol: While your worrying about how big a character you are they went and closed the plant.... :lol: :lol: :lol:


I hate to see any plant close-- but watch- when this is devalued down to about a nickel on a dollar-- someone from the Multinational Mafia will step in and buy it up...... :( Canada just can't get weaned from the US teat..... :( :(



Ranchers Beef Plant Closes And Tough Market Conditions Blamed
Aug, 17 2007 - 12:40 PM


CALGARY/AM770CHQR - The president of the Canada Beef Export Federation says the timing was just wrong.
Ted Haney is reacting to the closure of the Ranchers Beef plant just outside Calgary.

Haney tells QR77's Dave Rutherford that trying to make money while many beef export markets were only partially open or closed to Canadian products was risky.
He says the strong Canadian dollar, tight labour market, and continuing BSE scare fallout were all factors.
Haney says without full access to U.S. and Asian markets - it's still a tough road ahead for Canada's beef industry.

http://www.770chqr.com/news/news_local.cfm?cat=7428109912&rem=72577&red=80110923aPBIny&wids=410&gi=1&gm=news_local.cfm
 

QUESTION

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OT as usual you don't post a complete story thus omitting crucial imformation. Do you do this on purpose to spew rhetoric or are you just unimformed. The plant had to close because RBL has recieved protection from creditors (internal issue) while they sell the vertically intergrated company which includes feedlots, and the packing plant east of Balzac Ab. not to mention the current inventory. The sale is currently going thru to whom is not being released to the public at this time. So yes the plant has quit processing and laid off staff until the sale goes thru. I am sure nobody will want to buy a 14 month old plant 800 hd kill capacity per day with EU compliance and vertically intergrated feedlots. :roll:
 
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QUESTION said:
OT as usual you don't post a complete story thus omitting crucial imformation. Do you do this on purpose to spew rhetoric or are you just unimformed. The plant had to close because RBL has recieved protection from creditors (internal issue) while they sell the vertically intergrated company which includes feedlots, and the packing plant east of Balzac Ab. not to mention the current inventory. The sale is currently going thru to whom is not being released to the public at this time. So yes the plant has quit processing and laid off staff until the sale goes thru. I am sure nobody will want to buy a 14 month old plant 800 hd kill capacity per day with EU compliance and vertically intergrated feedlots. :roll:


I printed my link- and my source....Wheres yours EH :???:

Down here thats called going Belly-Up...

I agree somebody will buy it-- but what will they pay? What will the creditors/investors get in return-- a dime on the dollar? And will it just be more loss of competition in Canada with a Multinational Mafia buyout?
 

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