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CNN - Morning in America Again

hypocritexposer

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As predicted, now it is time for some more HOPE!

Monday, February 09, 2009
Obama Administration Employing Crisis Strategy to Steal this Country

The Cloward Piven Strategy of Manufactured Crisis is designed to overwhelm the government with impossible demands and the Obama administration is using that strategy to overwhelm Republicans. With the economic crisis as pretext, they have loaded the "stimulus" bill with so many objectionable pieces that some will inevitably get through. Meanwhile, with Republicans fully engaged in battling this monster, they are engaging in an unprecedented attempt to hijack the entire electoral process while nobody is looking.

http://truthandcons.blogspot.com/2009/02/obama-administration-employing-eye.html

The strategy of forcing political change through orchestrated crisis. The "Cloward-Piven Strategy" seeks to hasten the fall of capitalism by overloading the government bureaucracy with a flood of impossible demands, thus pushing society into crisis and economic collapse.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/barack_obama_and_the_strategy.html

Obama, in his second book, “The Audacity of Hope,” clearly states that, like his father, he is also no great fan of the American system of free enterprise capitalism; he describes capitalism as “chaotic and unforgiving,” and has a desire to roll back the “ownership society.”



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loomixguy

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reader (the Second) said:
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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Barack Obama addressed Congress shortly after 9 p.m. Tuesday, but a casual viewer might have believed it was actually morning in America.

President Obama takes a page from Ronald Reagan's playbook in his speech to Congress.

"Morning in America" was the theme of Ronald Reagan's 1984 re-election campaign, and it was front and center in Obama's most critical event since Inauguration Day.

The president who has pledged to reverse much of Reagan's economic revolution took a page from the 40th president's playbook in his 52-minute speech, striking a defiantly optimistic tone that belied the nation's sour mood and rebutted critics who have accused him of intentionally talking down the economy for short-term political gain.

"Though we are living through difficult and uncertain times, tonight I want every American to know this: We will rebuild, we will recover and the United States of America will emerge stronger than before," Obama declared to a thunderous round of applause from a packed House chamber. See video highlights of the speech, issue by issue »

Delivered against a backdrop of dismal economic news and with polls showing overwhelming majorities of Americans believing the country is on the wrong track, Obama's first speech to Congress amounted to a political tour de force. He proposed what many claim is a complete overhaul of the country's economic foundation while ripping his conservative predecessors for transferring "wealth to the wealthy" and gutting regulations "for the sake of a quick profit at the expense of a healthy market."

And he did it while employing some of Reagan's favorite rhetorical tools. Obama stuck to a fairly short list of priorities while invoking traditional American values of responsibility, hard work and thrift to pound home a back-to-basics message.

"A generosity, a resilience, a decency and a determination that perseveres; a willingness to take responsibility for our future and for posterity ... Those qualities that have made America the greatest force of progress and prosperity in human history we still possess in ample measure," he said.

It is time, he declared, to "summon that enduring spirit of an America that does not quit."

Ideological differences aside, the nation's 44th president has made no secret of his admiration for his Republican predecessor.

"Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that Richard Nixon did not, and a way that Bill Clinton did not," Obama argued at the start of last year's Democratic primaries.

Reagan, Obama said, knew that Americans "want clarity. We want optimism. We want a return to that sense of dynamism and entrepreneurship that [has] been missing."

Tuesday night's speech featured all of those elements.

"The answers to our problems don't lie beyond our reach. They exist ... in the imaginations of our entrepreneurs and the pride of the hardest-working people on Earth," Obama said. What did you think of the speech? Rate it through our CNN report card »

The president's agenda as defined in his address to Congress may have been the most ambitious in a generation or even two, but it was also easily boiled down to a few bullet points: restore financial stability, strengthen education and promote energy independence and health care reform.

It was, in many ways, the mirror image of 1981, when a newly inaugurated Reagan used the combination of stagnating economic growth and skyrocketing inflation to promote an equally ambitious, simple agenda: cut taxes, shrink government and build up the defense budget.

"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste," White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel said shortly after the election in November.

In fact, Obama's team believes that their boss has already trumped both the Great Communicator and Obama's immediate Democratic predecessor.

Reagan didn't get his economic agenda passed until summer 1981, a senior White House official noted before the speech Tuesday.

And when then-President Bill Clinton delivered his first speech to a joint session of Congress in 1993, he had only passed the Family and Medical Leave Act and was struggling politically because of the gays-in-the-military flap.

In contrast, Obama has already signed into law a sweeping $787 billion economic plan, an expansion of children's health insurance coverage and pay equity legislation.

The senior official boasted that Obama has "gotten more done in 30 days ... than any modern president."

When he took office in 1981, Reagan said, "Government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem."
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Obama's response came Tuesday night: "I reject the view that says our problems will simply take care of themselves, that says government has no role in laying the foundation for our common prosperity."

It is morning in America again. A new day has clearly dawned.

How can anyone with a scintilla of gray matter believe any of this? I am beginning to think that the handle "R2" has a different meaning, "R" being a term formerly used for the mentally challenged, and "2" meaning SQUARED!
 

badaxemoo

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I imagine that most of the tinfoil-hat-donning crowd here didn't watch the PBS coverage of the speech last night.

But when you have conservative pundit David Brooks using words like "insane" and "nihilistic" to describe the substance and theme of Bobby Jindal's response to Obama's agenda, there is serious trouble brewing for the Republican Party.

Here, I'll add the excerpt from the transcript:

JIM LEHRER: Now that, of course, was Gov. Bobby Jindal, the governor of Louisiana, making the Republican response. David, how well do you think he did?

DAVID BROOKS: Uh, not so well. You know, I think Bobby Jindal is a very promising politician, and I oppose the stimulus because I thought it was poorly drafted. But to come up at this moment in history with a stale "government is the problem," "we can't trust the federal government" - it's just a disaster for the Republican Party. The country is in a panic right now. They may not like the way the Democrats have passed the stimulus bill, but that idea that we're just gonna - that government is going to have no role, the federal government has no role in this, that - In a moment when only the federal government is actually big enough to do stuff, to just ignore all that and just say "government is the problem, corruption, earmarks, wasteful spending," it's just a form of nihilism. It's just not where the country is, it's not where the future of the country is. There's an intra-Republican debate. Some people say the Republican Party lost its way because they got too moderate. Some people say they got too weird or too conservative. He thinks they got too moderate, and so he's making that case. I think it's insane, and I just think it's a disaster for the party. I just think it's unfortunate right now.

He's obviously frustrated with his party!
 
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Anonymous

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badaxemoo said:
I imagine that most of the tinfoil-hat-donning crowd here didn't watch the PBS coverage of the speech last night.

But when you have conservative pundit David Brooks using words like "insane" and "nihilistic" to describe the substance and theme of Bobby Jindal's response to Obama's agenda, there is serious trouble brewing for the Republican Party.

Jindals speech brought comments from all the channels...Questioning how he could talk about individual responsibility- and the state taking care of themselves while talking about how great Louisiana is doing- and New Orleans is doing after Katrina-- and how he made it sound like they did it all "on their own".... :???:

After having taken over $175 BILLION of the taxpayers dollars so far :shock:
 

badaxemoo

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reader (the Second) said:
I respect David Brooks a lot. There's a conservative I would vote for in a heartbeat. I have noticed him becoming disenchanted with the GOP recently with the ugly Rovian campaign that McCain finally gave in to, with the economic downturn and the administration's seeming ignorance of what was happening on their watch, with the huge deficit spending from a war that was to be over within 18 months.

Yeah but what do you know? Jigs adn Loomicksguy, they done think you is plum stupid retarded liberal.?

Crinkle-crinkle (adjusts tinfoil hat)

Sluuurrrrp (takes swig of cheap canned bear)

Braaaaap! (belches)

scrich-scrich (scratches hairy, ample belly)

Ya dum lib!!!!!!
 

kolanuraven

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badaxemoo said:
reader (the Second) said:
I respect David Brooks a lot. There's a conservative I would vote for in a heartbeat. I have noticed him becoming disenchanted with the GOP recently with the ugly Rovian campaign that McCain finally gave in to, with the economic downturn and the administration's seeming ignorance of what was happening on their watch, with the huge deficit spending from a war that was to be over within 18 months.

Yeah but what do you know? Jigs adn Loomicksguy, they done think you is plum stupid retarded liberal.?

Crinkle-crinkle (adjusts tinfoil hat)

Sluuurrrrp (takes swig of cheap canned bear)

Braaaaap! (belches)

scrich-scrich (scratches hairy, ample belly)

Ya dum lib!!!!!!


:lol: :lol: :lol:
 

badaxemoo

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jigs said:
hey cheese head, I don't drink cheap beer....

Better watch it, Jigs.

Drinking fancy beer makes you an elitist.

Next thing you know, you'll be herding you cattle with a Shitz tzu and serving your steaks with a garnish of wilted arrugala.
 

hypocritexposer

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Sorry this is so long, but...It's nice to look at the facts!

WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama knows Americans are unhappy that their taxes will be used to rescue people who bought mansions beyond their means.

But his assurance Tuesday night that only the deserving will get help rang hollow.

Even officials in his administration, many supporters of the plan in Congress and the Federal Reserve chairman expect some of that money will go to people who used lousy judgment.

The president skipped over several complex economic circumstances in his speech to Congress — and may have started an international debate among trivia lovers and auto buffs over what country invented the car.

A look at some of his assertions:

OBAMA: "We have launched a housing plan that will help responsible families facing the threat of foreclosure lower their monthly payments and refinance their mortgages. It's a plan that won't help speculators or that neighbor down the street who bought a house he could never hope to afford, but it will help millions of Americans who are struggling with declining home values."

THE FACTS: If the administration has come up with a way to ensure money only goes to those who got in honest trouble, it hasn't said so.

Defending the program Tuesday at a Senate hearing, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke said it's important to save those who made bad calls, for the greater good. He likened it to calling the fire department to put out a blaze caused by someone smoking in bed.

"I think the smart way to deal with a situation like that is to put out the fire, save him from his own consequences of his own action but then, going forward, enact penalties and set tougher rules about smoking in bed."

Similarly, the head of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. suggested this month it's not likely aid will be denied to all homeowners who overstated their income or assets to get a mortgage they couldn't afford.

"I think it's just simply impractical to try to do a forensic analysis of each and every one of these delinquent loans," Sheila Bair told National Public Radio.

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OBAMA: "And I believe the nation that invented the automobile cannot walk away from it."

THE FACTS: Depends what your definition of automobiles, is. According to the Library of Congress, the inventor of the first true automobile was probably Germany's Karl Benz, who created the first auto powered by an internal combustion gasoline engine, in 1885 or 1886. In the U.S., Charles Duryea tested what library researchers called the first successful gas-powered car in 1893. Nobody disputes that Henry Ford created the first assembly line that made cars affordable.

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OBAMA: "We have known for decades that our survival depends on finding new sources of energy. Yet we import more oil today than ever before."

THE FACTS: Oil imports peaked in 2005 at just over 5 billion barrels, and have been declining slightly since. The figure in 2007 was 4.9 billion barrels, or about 58 percent of total consumption. The nation is on pace this year to import 4.7 billion barrels, and government projections are for imports to hold steady or decrease a bit over the next two decades.

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OBAMA: "We have already identified $2 trillion in savings over the next decade."

THE FACTS: Although 10-year projections are common in government, they don't mean much. And at times, they are a way for a president to pass on the most painful steps to his successor, by putting off big tax increases or spending cuts until someone else is in the White House.

Obama only has a real say on spending during the four years of his term. He may not be president after that and he certainly won't be 10 years from now.

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OBAMA: "Regulations were gutted for the sake of a quick profit at the expense of a healthy market. People bought homes they knew they couldn't afford from banks and lenders who pushed those bad loans anyway. And all the while, critical debates and difficult decisions were put off for some other time on some other day."

THE FACTS: This may be so, but it isn't only Republicans who pushed for deregulation of the financial industries. The Clinton administration championed an easing of banking regulations, including legislation that ended the barrier between regular banks and Wall Street banks. That led to a deregulation that kept regular banks under tight federal regulation but extended lax regulation of Wall Street banks. Clinton Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin, later an economic adviser to candidate Obama, was in the forefront in pushing for this deregulation.

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OBAMA: "In this budget, we will end education programs that don't work and end direct payments to large agribusinesses that don't need them. We'll eliminate the no-bid contracts that have wasted billions in Iraq, and reform our defense budget so that we're not paying for Cold War-era weapons systems we don't use. We will root out the waste, fraud and abuse in our Medicare program that doesn't make our seniors any healthier, and we will restore a sense of fairness and balance to our tax code by finally ending the tax breaks for corporations that ship our jobs overseas."

THE FACTS: First, his budget does not accomplish any of that. It only proposes those steps. That's all a president can do, because control over spending rests with Congress. Obama's proposals here are a wish list and some items, including corporate tax increases and cuts in agricultural aid, will be a tough sale in Congress.

Second, waste, fraud and abuse are routinely targeted by presidents who later find that the savings realized seldom amount to significant sums. Programs that a president might consider wasteful have staunch defenders in Congress who have fought off similar efforts in the past.

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OBAMA: "Thanks to our recovery plan, we will double this nation's supply of renewable energy in the next three years."

THE FACTS: While the president's stimulus package includes billions in aid for renewable energy and conservation, his goal is unlikely to be achieved through the recovery plan alone.

In 2007, the U.S. produced 8.4 percent of its electricity from renewable sources, including hydroelectric dams, solar panels and windmills. Under the status quo, the Energy Department says, it will take more than two decades to boost that figure to 12.5 percent.

If Obama is to achieve his much more ambitious goal, Congress would need to mandate it. That is the thrust of an energy bill that is expected to be introduced in coming weeks.

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OBAMA: "Over the next two years, this plan will save or create 3.5 million jobs."

THE FACTS: This is a recurrent Obama formulation. But job creation projections are uncertain even in stable times, and some of the economists relied on by Obama in making his forecast acknowledge a great deal of uncertainty in their numbers.

The president's own economists, in a report prepared last month, stated, "It should be understood that all of the estimates presented in this memo are subject to significant margins of error."

Beyond that, it's unlikely the nation will ever know how many jobs are saved as a result of the stimulus. While it's clear when jobs are abolished, there's no economic gauge that tracks job preservation. The estimates are based on economic assumptions of how many jobs would be lost without the stimulus.
 

aplusmnt

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reader (the Second) said:
Me and millions of other Americans! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Including John McCain :)

John McCain is a Liberal idiot! Just because he is a republican does not mean he is a Conservative!
 

TexasBred

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Similarly, the head of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. suggested this month it's not likely aid will be denied to all homeowners who overstated their income or assets to get a mortgage they couldn't afford.

Hasn't been that long since people were actually sent to prison for this.
 

hypocritexposer

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The problem is summed up succinctly by Stan Liebowitz of the University of Texas at Dallas:

From the current handwringing, you’d think that the banks came up with the idea of looser underwriting standards on their own, with regulators just asleep on the job. In fact, it was the regulators who relaxed these standards--at the behest of community groups and "progressive" political forces.… For years, rising house prices hid the default problems since quick refinances were possible. But now that house prices have stopped rising, we can clearly see the damage done by relaxed loan standards.
 

TSR

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Sandhusker said:
aplusmnt said:
reader (the Second) said:
Me and millions of other Americans! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Including John McCain :)

John McCain is a Liberal idiot! Just because he is a republican does not mean he is a Conservative!

If McCain was a conservative, he'd be in Oval Office.


So Shusker are you saying the Republicans didn't have a true conservative, at least by your definition, from which to choose to run for president? If not why didn't they? And if they did why wasn't he chosen to run against Obama?
 
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Anonymous

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If Jindal and Sister Sarah are the Republicans only hopes for the future- its going to be a long long time before a Repub sees the inside of the White House again..... :wink:

For political junkies, perhaps more interesting than the speech was the rebuttal, given by Louisiana governor and possible 2012 presidential candidate Bobby Jindal (R). Some Republicans see him as a potential savior for the Republican party. At 37, the child of Indian immigrants, and unquestionably very smart, he could represent a new image for the Republican party. This was his national debut, a chance to show the country that Republicans have a different vision than Obama. But his speech fell flat. It was panned by Democrats and Republicans alike. David Brooks, a solid Republican, said there was plenty to fault in Obama's speech, but to say basically that government is the problem and what we need are more tax cuts is not going to fly right now. Even Fox News wasn't impressed. But 2012 is a long ways away still, so Jindal has time to sharpen his oratorical skills.


Fox News vs. Jindal
By David Weigel 2/24/09 10:52 PM
From Fox News’ all-star panel after Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal wrapped up:

BRIT HUME: It read better than it sounded… this was not Bobby Jindal’s greatest rhetorical moment.

NINA EASTON: The delivery was not terrific.

CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER: Jindal didn’t have a chance.

JUAN WILLIAMS: Childish.

Brutal. No one seems to think Jindal performed well.
 
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