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CNN president found Obama's long form BC

alice

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Sandhusker said:
alice said:
Sandhusker said:
hurley is the one that attacked the messenger as opposed to the messenger. Instead of bitching about hypo, why don't you refute him? The best way to shut somebody up is to prove them wrong.

You can start with the part about what it takes to be a natural born citizen.

Sandhusker, proof has been offered...you will not accept it...it's either forged, or photoshopped, or whatever. There are people in Hawaii who know Obama's family and know he was born there, yet you do not believe that. They are as credible as anyone who refutes that. Hawaiian government officials have sworn that the birth certificate is the real deal, for cripe's sake. SCOTUS has NOT ruled on natural born status because there is nothing to rule on...they know Obama is a natural born citizen. Federal courts have thrown out suit after suit. The soldier that sued to keep from going to Afghanistan because he questioned Obama's right to be POTUS was grandstanding...he had volunteered and a law suit was not required to rescind the orders...the only thing he needed was to have said, "Please rescind my orders."

You don't WANT to accept proof, therefore, you refuse to. Continuing to insist on proof that you refuse to accept, or even consider, is absurd and an act of desperation. Now, if you wanna dig an "attack the messenger" out of that, be my guest. We seem to have different views on that, also.

Alice

Proof has been offered? Yeah, right. That's what Gibbs said. He lied. Where is the cert., Alice?

Gibbs didn't lie...he laughed it off, like the rest of the media in the press room...well except the WND guy, of course.

Alice
 

Sandhusker

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No, I'm saying that only proves that he was born, not WHERE! Anybody can call the paper and give an announcement.


WHERE IS THE DAMN CERTIFICATE, ALICE???????????//

WHY IS GIBBS LYING ABOUT IT?
 

Sandhusker

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alice said:
Sandhusker said:
alice said:
Sandhusker, proof has been offered...you will not accept it...it's either forged, or photoshopped, or whatever. There are people in Hawaii who know Obama's family and know he was born there, yet you do not believe that. They are as credible as anyone who refutes that. Hawaiian government officials have sworn that the birth certificate is the real deal, for cripe's sake. SCOTUS has NOT ruled on natural born status because there is nothing to rule on...they know Obama is a natural born citizen. Federal courts have thrown out suit after suit. The soldier that sued to keep from going to Afghanistan because he questioned Obama's right to be POTUS was grandstanding...he had volunteered and a law suit was not required to rescind the orders...the only thing he needed was to have said, "Please rescind my orders."

You don't WANT to accept proof, therefore, you refuse to. Continuing to insist on proof that you refuse to accept, or even consider, is absurd and an act of desperation. Now, if you wanna dig an "attack the messenger" out of that, be my guest. We seem to have different views on that, also.

Alice

Proof has been offered? Yeah, right. That's what Gibbs said. He lied. Where is the cert., Alice?

Gibbs didn't lie...he laughed it off, like the rest of the media in the press room...well except the WND guy, of course.

Alice

Gibbs says the certificate is on the internet. It isn't. He lied.
 

alice

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Sandhusker said:
No, I'm saying that only proves that he was born, not WHERE! Anybody can call the paper and give an announcement.


WHERE IS THE DAMN CERTIFICATE, ALICE???????????//

Again,

Are you actually going to claim that Obama's mother surreptitiously planted this in the news paper back in 1961 knowing that it would be needed to prove Obama's citizenship claim so he could become POTUS 47 years later? Puhleeeeeze!

Alice
 

alice

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Sandhusker said:
alice said:
Sandhusker said:
Proof has been offered? Yeah, right. That's what Gibbs said. He lied. Where is the cert., Alice?

Gibbs didn't lie...he laughed it off, like the rest of the media in the press room...well except the WND guy, of course.

Alice

Gibbs says the certificate is on the internet. It isn't. He lied.

The COLB is all over the internet, Sandhusker. Gibbs did not lie.

Alice
 

Sandhusker

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A COLB is not a birth certificate, is it? It's a lesser document, it's a document that one could get in Hawaii even if you born in another country, for example Kenya. Gibbs lied. Don't you wonder why? Why do you not only allow yourself to be lied to but defend the lie?
 

alice

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Sandhusker said:
A COLB is not a birth certificate, is it? It's a lesser document, it's a document that one could get in Hawaii even if you born in another country, for example Kenya. Gibbs lied. Don't you wonder why? Why do you not only allow yourself to be lied to but defend the lie?

Because I do not believe it to be a lie, Sandhusker.

Now I ask you, again,

Are you actually going to claim that Obama's mother surreptitiously planted this in the news paper back in 1961 knowing that it would be needed to prove Obama's citizenship claim so he could become POTUS 47 years later?

Alice
 

Sandhusker

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alice said:
Sandhusker said:
A COLB is not a birth certificate, is it? It's a lesser document, it's a document that one could get in Hawaii even if you born in another country, for example Kenya. Gibbs lied. Don't you wonder why? Why do you not only allow yourself to be lied to but defend the lie?

Because I do not believe it to be a lie, Sandhusker.

Now I ask you, again,

Are you actually going to claim that Obama's mother surreptitiously planted this in the news paper back in 1961 knowing that it would be needed to prove Obama's citizenship claim so he could become POTUS 47 years later?

Alice

You don't believe it a lie, but the cert that Gibbs is claiming to be on the net is nowhere to be found. Exactly what is your methodology in determing what is true and what is not?

No, I'm claiming that Momma Obama wanted a birth announcement in the paper so she could be like most other folks and have an announcement. She was probably excited to be a mother and placing an announcement in the paper would be consistent with something that a new mother would do.
 

alice

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Sandhusker said:
alice said:
Sandhusker said:
A COLB is not a birth certificate, is it? It's a lesser document, it's a document that one could get in Hawaii even if you born in another country, for example Kenya. Gibbs lied. Don't you wonder why? Why do you not only allow yourself to be lied to but defend the lie?

Because I do not believe it to be a lie, Sandhusker.

Now I ask you, again,

Are you actually going to claim that Obama's mother surreptitiously planted this in the news paper back in 1961 knowing that it would be needed to prove Obama's citizenship claim so he could become POTUS 47 years later?

Alice

You don't believe it a lie, but the cert that Gibbs is claiming to be on the net is nowhere to be found. Exactly what is your methodology in determing what is true and what is not?

No, I'm claiming that Momma Obama wanted a birth announcement in the paper so she could be like most other folks and have an announcement. She was probably excited to be a mother and placing an announcement in the paper would be consistent with something that a new mother would do.

The newspaper itself says that the information was taken from hospital records.

I also accept the statements of Janice Okubo, of the Hawaii Department of Health for saying that the readily-available Certification of Live Birth confirms that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii. The governor of Hawaii also confirms this.

I accept the COLB as the official document that it is.

Alice
 

hopalong

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alice said:
Sandhusker said:
alice said:
Because I do not believe it to be a lie, Sandhusker.

Now I ask you, again,

Are you actually going to claim that Obama's mother surreptitiously planted this in the news paper back in 1961 knowing that it would be needed to prove Obama's citizenship claim so he could become POTUS 47 years later?

Alice

You don't believe it a lie, but the cert that Gibbs is claiming to be on the net is nowhere to be found. Exactly what is your methodology in determing what is true and what is not?

No, I'm claiming that Momma Obama wanted a birth announcement in the paper so she could be like most other folks and have an announcement. She was probably excited to be a mother and placing an announcement in the paper would be consistent with something that a new mother would do.

The newspaper itself says that the information was taken from hospital records.
I also accept the statements of Janice Okubo, of the Hawaii Department of Health for saying that the readily-available Certification of Live Birth confirms that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii. The governor of Hawaii also confirms this.

I accept the COLB as the official document that it is.

Alice
If you believe the newspaper you are gullible enough to believe anything! :roll: :roll:
A colb is NOT repeat NOT a birth certificate!
If it is readily available then why won;t they release it ??,
Because obambam won't let it be released!! WHY do you suppose that is ????
What about his college transcripts why is there a lock on them?

Why do you suppose so much of his past is hidden from us???
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
alice said:
Sandhusker said:
alice said:
Because I do not believe it to be a lie, Sandhusker.

Now I ask you, again,

Are you actually going to claim that Obama's mother surreptitiously planted this in the news paper back in 1961 knowing that it would be needed to prove Obama's citizenship claim so he could become POTUS 47 years later?

Alice

You don't believe it a lie, but the cert that Gibbs is claiming to be on the net is nowhere to be found. Exactly what is your methodology in determing what is true and what is not?

No, I'm claiming that Momma Obama wanted a birth announcement in the paper so she could be like most other folks and have an announcement. She was probably excited to be a mother and placing an announcement in the paper would be consistent with something that a new mother would do.

The newspaper itself says that the information was taken from hospital records.

I also accept the statements of Janice Okubo, of the Hawaii Department of Health for saying that the readily-available Certification of Live Birth confirms that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii. The governor of Hawaii also confirms this.

I accept the COLB as the official document that it is.

Alice

Let's see the quote from the newspaper claiming that information was taken from the hospital.

Let's see that quote from Okubo.

Actually, Alice, you DON'T accept the COLB for what it is. You're trying to make it out to be something that it is not, ie proof of a Hawaiian birth. Don't you understand that one could get a Hawaiian COLB if you were born in Kenya? How many times do we have to tell you that before you get it?
 

alice

Well-known member
hopalong said:
alice said:
Sandhusker said:
You don't believe it a lie, but the cert that Gibbs is claiming to be on the net is nowhere to be found. Exactly what is your methodology in determing what is true and what is not?

No, I'm claiming that Momma Obama wanted a birth announcement in the paper so she could be like most other folks and have an announcement. She was probably excited to be a mother and placing an announcement in the paper would be consistent with something that a new mother would do.

The newspaper itself says that the information was taken from hospital records.
I also accept the statements of Janice Okubo, of the Hawaii Department of Health for saying that the readily-available Certification of Live Birth confirms that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii. The governor of Hawaii also confirms this.

I accept the COLB as the official document that it is.

Alice
If you believe the newspaper you are gullible enough to believe anything! :roll: :roll:
A colb is NOT repeat NOT a birth certificate!
If it is readily available then why won;t they release it ??,
Because obambam won't let it be released!! WHY do you suppose that is ????
What about his college transcripts why is there a lock on them?

Why do you suppose so much of his past is hidden from us???

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/has_a_smoking_gun_been_found_to.html

Hoppy, you can read this or not...you can believe anything you want or don't want...you can pretend that the United States Justice Foundation is actually part of something governmental making it an official government entity. I don't care...

Aice
 

hopalong

Well-known member
alice said:
hopalong said:
alice said:
The newspaper itself says that the information was taken from hospital records.
I also accept the statements of Janice Okubo, of the Hawaii Department of Health for saying that the readily-available Certification of Live Birth confirms that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii. The governor of Hawaii also confirms this.

I accept the COLB as the official document that it is.

Alice
If you believe the newspaper you are gullible enough to believe anything! :roll: :roll:
A colb is NOT repeat NOT a birth certificate!
If it is readily available then why won;t they release it ??,
Because obambam won't let it be released!! WHY do you suppose that is ????
What about his college transcripts why is there a lock on them?

Why do you suppose so much of his past is hidden from us???

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/has_a_smoking_gun_been_found_to.html

Hoppy, you can read this or not...you can believe anything you want or don't want...you can pretend that the United States Justice Foundation is actually part of something governmental making it an official government entity. I don't care...

Aice

You should care!!!!!It is your country too!!
NO once again why won't he release even his student records? Give me a good reasin for him not doing that, since you cannot, provide a link where we can see his BC< OR PASSPORT!!!!
All you are providing are links that YOU and the authors CLAIM are fact!!!!

from your own link!
Occidental spokesman Tranquada: To date, all of the litigation filed regarding President Obama's student records at Occidental has been rejected by the courts. Occidental has not released his transcripts or his student file.

WHY alice answer why he won't let them be released? What is he hiding??

By the way what did you think of when you saw his birth certificate???
 

alice

Well-known member
hopalong said:
alice said:
hopalong said:
If you believe the newspaper you are gullible enough to believe anything! :roll: :roll:
A colb is NOT repeat NOT a birth certificate!
If it is readily available then why won;t they release it ??,
Because obambam won't let it be released!! WHY do you suppose that is ????
What about his college transcripts why is there a lock on them?

Why do you suppose so much of his past is hidden from us???

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/has_a_smoking_gun_been_found_to.html

Hoppy, you can read this or not...you can believe anything you want or don't want...you can pretend that the United States Justice Foundation is actually part of something governmental making it an official government entity. I don't care...

Aice

You should care!!!!!It is your country too!!
NO once again why won't he release even his student records? Give me a good reasin for him not doing that, since you cannot, provide a link where we can see his BC< OR PASSPORT!!!!
All you are providing are links that YOU and the authors CLAIM are fact!!!!

from your own link!
Occidental spokesman Tranquada: To date, all of the litigation filed regarding President Obama's student records at Occidental has been rejected by the courts. Occidental has not released his transcripts or his student file.

WHY alice answer why he won't let them be released? What is he hiding??

By the way what did you think of when you saw his birth certificate???

Yes, it is my country, too...and I love my country no less than you. I simply don't care what YOU think.

Alice
 

Trinity man

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hopalong said:
Lonecowboy said:
But in the latest AOL poll of more than 30,000 people, 82 percent said it's time for Obama to cough up the original long-form birth certificate.


82% about the same as on here-- does that mean 82% of the country are tin foil hat wearing,fearmongering rightwingnuts!!!

According to a couple of the posters on here I would say that they think so!
Of course alice will want to weigh in with it has been show!! oldtimer will spout some mumbo jumbo about an dated court case he presided over.
The rest will just spout :wink: :wink:

That ok with Obama health care programs they will be taking suicide class now.

http://fredthompsonshow.com/premiumstream?dispid=320&headerDest=L3BnL2pzcC9tZWRpYS9mbGFzaHdlbGNvbWUuanNwP3BpZD03MzUxJnBsYXlsaXN0PXRydWUmY2hhcnR0eXBlPWNoYXJ0JmNoYXJ0SUQ9MzIwJnBsYXlsaXN0U2l6ZT01

To put all this a side if this happens our poor seniors will have a hard time.
Just think some of you voted for this when you voted for him. :roll:
 

loomixguy

Well-known member
alice said:
hopalong said:
alice said:
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/has_a_smoking_gun_been_found_to.html

Hoppy, you can read this or not...you can believe anything you want or don't want...you can pretend that the United States Justice Foundation is actually part of something governmental making it an official government entity. I don't care...

Aice

You should care!!!!!It is your country too!!
NO once again why won't he release even his student records? Give me a good reasin for him not doing that, since you cannot, provide a link where we can see his BC< OR PASSPORT!!!!
All you are providing are links that YOU and the authors CLAIM are fact!!!!

from your own link!
Occidental spokesman Tranquada: To date, all of the litigation filed regarding President Obama's student records at Occidental has been rejected by the courts. Occidental has not released his transcripts or his student file.

WHY alice answer why he won't let them be released? What is he hiding??

By the way what did you think of when you saw his birth certificate???

Yes, it is my country, too...and I love my country no less than you. I simply don't care what YOU think.

Alice


The German people blindly followed Hitler in the 30's, Alice. Look what it got them. I'm sure they loved their country, too.
 

Sandhusker

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Instead of looking at the facts and then forming an opinion, Alice made up her mind and now she's scrambling for "facts" to support that opinion. And us "birthers" are the fools..... :roll:
 

alice

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loomixguy said:
alice said:
hopalong said:
You should care!!!!!It is your country too!!
NO once again why won't he release even his student records? Give me a good reasin for him not doing that, since you cannot, provide a link where we can see his BC< OR PASSPORT!!!!
All you are providing are links that YOU and the authors CLAIM are fact!!!!

from your own link!
Occidental spokesman Tranquada: To date, all of the litigation filed regarding President Obama's student records at Occidental has been rejected by the courts. Occidental has not released his transcripts or his student file.

WHY alice answer why he won't let them be released? What is he hiding??

By the way what did you think of when you saw his birth certificate???

Yes, it is my country, too...and I love my country no less than you. I simply don't care what YOU think.

Alice


The German people blindly followed Hitler in the 30's, Alice. Look what it got them. I'm sure they loved their country, too.

I'm not blindly following anything or anyone...not Obama and not the Birthers. I am increasingly becoming wary of what Obama is proposing and am reading and doing more research than I ever thought I'd do. I do not listen to radio or watch TV...I refuse to be spoonfed.

That said, if Obama crashes and burns, it will not be because of his birth certificate and the conspiracy theories surrounding it. There's too much more out there to concern ourselves with and the birthers are clouding that with all of their brouhaha.

Aice
 

alice

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Sandhusker said:
Instead of looking at the facts and then forming an opinion, Alice made up her mind and now she's scrambling for "facts" to support that opinion. And us "birthers" are the fools..... :roll:

Uh, Sandhusker...I could easily say the same about you and the birthers.

Alice
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
alice said:
Sandhusker said:
Instead of looking at the facts and then forming an opinion, Alice made up her mind and now she's scrambling for "facts" to support that opinion. And us "birthers" are the fools..... :roll:

Uh, Sandhusker...I could easily say the same about you and the birthers.

Alice

You could say that, you could say anything, but that doesn't make it true. The difference is that we're dealing with facts, you're dealing with what you want to be facts. A great example is Gibb's statement about the birth certificate being on the net.

FACT: He said it is on the net.
FACT: It's not on the net.

A birther comes to the logical conclusion that Gibbs is lying. You come to the conclusion that is it there, even though you can't find it even after being offered a $100 bounty to find it. You want it to be there, so you believe it is there - but it just isn't there, is it Alice?

Same thing with a natural born citizen needing both parents to be free of any other country. You so desperately want Poppa Obama to qualify, but he clearly doesn't. So what do you do? You ignore the facts and try to start a fire someplace else. The facts don't support your opinion - but your opinion remains unchanged.
 

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