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CNN president found Obama's long form BC

alice

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Sandhusker said:
alice said:
Sandhusker said:
Instead of looking at the facts and then forming an opinion, Alice made up her mind and now she's scrambling for "facts" to support that opinion. And us "birthers" are the fools..... :roll:

Uh, Sandhusker...I could easily say the same about you and the birthers.

Alice

You could say that, you could say anything, but that doesn't make it true. The difference is that we're dealing with facts, you're dealing with what you want to be facts. A great example is Gibb's statement about the birth certificate being on the net.

FACT: He said it is on the net.
FACT: It's not on the net.

A birther comes to the logical conclusion that Gibbs is lying. You come to the conclusion that is it there, even though you can't find it even after being offered a $100 bounty to find it. You want it to be there, so you believe it is there - but it just isn't there, is it Alice?

Same thing with a natural born citizen needing both parents to be free of any other country. You so desperately want Poppa Obama to qualify, but he clearly doesn't. So what do you do? You ignore the facts and try to start a fire someplace else. The facts don't support your opinion - but your opinion remains unchanged.

Everything you've said about me...I can turn around and say the same about you and the birthers.

I disagree with you, Sandhusker. Simple as that...and that $100 bounty is insulting, btw.


Alice
 

Soapweed

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alice said:
Sandhusker said:
alice said:
Uh, Sandhusker...I could easily say the same about you and the birthers.

Alice

You could say that, you could say anything, but that doesn't make it true. The difference is that we're dealing with facts, you're dealing with what you want to be facts. A great example is Gibb's statement about the birth certificate being on the net.

FACT: He said it is on the net.
FACT: It's not on the net.

A birther comes to the logical conclusion that Gibbs is lying. You come to the conclusion that is it there, even though you can't find it even after being offered a $100 bounty to find it. You want it to be there, so you believe it is there - but it just isn't there, is it Alice?

Same thing with a natural born citizen needing both parents to be free of any other country. You so desperately want Poppa Obama to qualify, but he clearly doesn't. So what do you do? You ignore the facts and try to start a fire someplace else. The facts don't support your opinion - but your opinion remains unchanged.

Everything you've said about me...I can turn around and say the same about you and the birthers.

I disagree with you, Sandhusker. Simple as that...and that $100 bounty is insulting, btw.


Alice

When will you ever realize, Sandhusker, that logic doesn't work with Liberals in La-La Land? :???:
 

Sandhusker

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alice said:
Sandhusker said:
alice said:
Uh, Sandhusker...I could easily say the same about you and the birthers.

Alice

You could say that, you could say anything, but that doesn't make it true. The difference is that we're dealing with facts, you're dealing with what you want to be facts. A great example is Gibb's statement about the birth certificate being on the net.

FACT: He said it is on the net.
FACT: It's not on the net.

A birther comes to the logical conclusion that Gibbs is lying. You come to the conclusion that is it there, even though you can't find it even after being offered a $100 bounty to find it. You want it to be there, so you believe it is there - but it just isn't there, is it Alice?

Same thing with a natural born citizen needing both parents to be free of any other country. You so desperately want Poppa Obama to qualify, but he clearly doesn't. So what do you do? You ignore the facts and try to start a fire someplace else. The facts don't support your opinion - but your opinion remains unchanged.

Everything you've said about me...I can turn around and say the same about you and the birthers.

I disagree with you, Sandhusker. Simple as that...and that $100 bounty is insulting, btw.


Alice

The FACTS are on our side Alice - it's telling that instead of addressing them, you just made another lame comment.

I don't know why that bounty is insulting. If you offered to send my church $100 if I could provide something off the net, I'd jump to the task and be happy to do it. You're only insulting yourself by not being able to find that cert, but maintaing the misguided belief that it is there.
 

alice

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Soapweed said:
alice said:
Sandhusker said:
You could say that, you could say anything, but that doesn't make it true. The difference is that we're dealing with facts, you're dealing with what you want to be facts. A great example is Gibb's statement about the birth certificate being on the net.

FACT: He said it is on the net.
FACT: It's not on the net.

A birther comes to the logical conclusion that Gibbs is lying. You come to the conclusion that is it there, even though you can't find it even after being offered a $100 bounty to find it. You want it to be there, so you believe it is there - but it just isn't there, is it Alice?

Same thing with a natural born citizen needing both parents to be free of any other country. You so desperately want Poppa Obama to qualify, but he clearly doesn't. So what do you do? You ignore the facts and try to start a fire someplace else. The facts don't support your opinion - but your opinion remains unchanged.

Everything you've said about me...I can turn around and say the same about you and the birthers.

I disagree with you, Sandhusker. Simple as that...and that $100 bounty is insulting, btw.


Alice

When will you ever realize, Sandhusker, that logic doesn't work with Liberals in La-La Land? :???:

If and/or when Obama crashes and burns, it will not be because of this birther lunacy. Now, you can call me a liberal (I am not). You can say I'm in La-La Land, again, I am not. Nor am I enmeshed in this silly dark conspiracy.

Good grief...there is enough to question about the course Obama appears to be wanting to take this country. THAT is what bothers me...THAT is what I intend to question! If you birthers want to keep clouding the real issues and worries with this nonsense, you are shooting yourselves in the foot.

Alice
 

Sandhusker

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Soapweed said:
alice said:
Sandhusker said:
You could say that, you could say anything, but that doesn't make it true. The difference is that we're dealing with facts, you're dealing with what you want to be facts. A great example is Gibb's statement about the birth certificate being on the net.

FACT: He said it is on the net.
FACT: It's not on the net.

A birther comes to the logical conclusion that Gibbs is lying. You come to the conclusion that is it there, even though you can't find it even after being offered a $100 bounty to find it. You want it to be there, so you believe it is there - but it just isn't there, is it Alice?

Same thing with a natural born citizen needing both parents to be free of any other country. You so desperately want Poppa Obama to qualify, but he clearly doesn't. So what do you do? You ignore the facts and try to start a fire someplace else. The facts don't support your opinion - but your opinion remains unchanged.

Everything you've said about me...I can turn around and say the same about you and the birthers.

I disagree with you, Sandhusker. Simple as that...and that $100 bounty is insulting, btw.


Alice

When will you ever realize, Sandhusker, that logic doesn't work with Liberals in La-La Land? :???:

Soap, I have no doubts that any of the liberals here will ever fess up when confronted with facts. My efforts are mainly to expose their anti-logic for the benefit of others. That and everybody likes winning an arguement, and when you argue with a liberal, victory is a given.

Having any luck keeping your tanks full?
 

Soapweed

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Sandhusker said:
Having any luck keeping your tanks full?

Yesterday everything was full and running over. Even with no wind today, I am hoping everything will coast through in good shape.
I do understand your concern, though, having a lot of money riding on the eventual outcome. :wink: :)
 

alice

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Sandhusker said:
Soapweed said:
alice said:
Everything you've said about me...I can turn around and say the same about you and the birthers.

I disagree with you, Sandhusker. Simple as that...and that $100 bounty is insulting, btw.


Alice

When will you ever realize, Sandhusker, that logic doesn't work with Liberals in La-La Land? :???:

Soap, I have no doubts that any of the liberals here will ever fess up when confronted with facts. My efforts are mainly to expose their anti-logic for the benefit of others. That and everybody likes winning an arguement, and when you argue with a liberal, victory is a given.

Having any luck keeping your tanks full?

Sandhusker, you are arrogant...and I'll stop with that.

Alice
 

Sandhusker

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Coming from somebody who is WILLINGLY ignorant, that doesn't hurt real bad.

The bounty on that cert that you choose to believe is out there stands. $100 to your church.....
 

alice

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Sandhusker said:
Coming from somebody who is WILLINGLY ignorant, that doesn't hurt real bad.

The bounty on that cert that you choose to believe is out there stands. $100 to your church.....

The COLB, the only one that matters, is out there. As for the bounty, how dare you! Who the hell do you think you are? You are no better than the idiots who are offering $10,000 for what you birthers consider to be the holy grail of birth certificates. And what makes it worse, you involve my church! :mad:

Alice
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
alice said:
Sandhusker said:
Coming from somebody who is WILLINGLY ignorant, that doesn't hurt real bad.

The bounty on that cert that you choose to believe is out there stands. $100 to your church.....

The COLB, the only one that matters, is out there. As for the bounty, how dare you! Who the hell do you think you are? You are no better than the idiots who are offering $10,000 for what you birthers consider to be the holy grail of birth certificates. And what makes it worse, you involve my church! :mad:

Alice

Obama can get a Hawaiian COLB even with a Kenyan birth. It is a much lesser document than a birth certificate. It proves nothing other than he was born somewhere and lived in Hawaii when he was young.

Obama can get a Hawaiian COLB even with a Kenyan birth. It is a much lesser document than a birth certificate. It proves nothing other than he was born somewhere and lived in Hawaii when he was young.

Obama can get a Hawaiian COLB even with a Kenyan birth. It is a much lesser document than a birth certificate. It proves nothing other than he was born somewhere and lived in Hawaii when he was young.

Obama can get a Hawaiian COLB even with a Kenyan birth. It is a much lesser document than a birth certificate. It proves nothing other than he was born somewhere and lived in Hawaii when he was young.

Obama can get a Hawaiian COLB even with a Kenyan birth. It is a much lesser document than a birth certificate. It proves nothing other than he was born somewhere and lived in Hawaii when he was young.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THE COLB, ALICE?

How dare I? Who do I think I am? I think, er I KNOW, that I'm somebody calling somebody else's bluff. And please, the feigned outrage over offering to donate to your church is a bit over the top. You're simply trying to distract again.

Gibbs said the birth cert was on the net. It's not. Big surprise, you can't find it. Yet you choose to believe it. That is WILLFUL ignorance, Alice. What do you have to gain from that? Is your country better served by such activity? That kinds of makes you an anti-patriot, doesn't it?
 

alice

Well-known member
Sandhusker said:
alice said:
Sandhusker said:
Coming from somebody who is WILLINGLY ignorant, that doesn't hurt real bad.

The bounty on that cert that you choose to believe is out there stands. $100 to your church.....

The COLB, the only one that matters, is out there. As for the bounty, how dare you! Who the hell do you think you are? You are no better than the idiots who are offering $10,000 for what you birthers consider to be the holy grail of birth certificates. And what makes it worse, you involve my church! :mad:

Alice

Obama can get a Hawaiian COLB even with a Kenyan birth. It is a much lesser document than a birth certificate. It proves nothing other than he was born somewhere and lived in Hawaii when he was young.

Obama can get a Hawaiian COLB even with a Kenyan birth. It is a much lesser document than a birth certificate. It proves nothing other than he was born somewhere and lived in Hawaii when he was young.

Obama can get a Hawaiian COLB even with a Kenyan birth. It is a much lesser document than a birth certificate. It proves nothing other than he was born somewhere and lived in Hawaii when he was young.

Obama can get a Hawaiian COLB even with a Kenyan birth. It is a much lesser document than a birth certificate. It proves nothing other than he was born somewhere and lived in Hawaii when he was young.

Obama can get a Hawaiian COLB even with a Kenyan birth. It is a much lesser document than a birth certificate. It proves nothing other than he was born somewhere and lived in Hawaii when he was young.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THE COLB, ALICE?

How dare I? Who do I think I am? I think, er I KNOW, that I'm somebody calling somebody else's bluff. And please, the feigned outrage over offering to donate to your church is a bit over the top. You're simply trying to distract again.

Gibbs said the birth cert was on the net. It's not. Big surprise, you can't find it. Yet you choose to believe it. That is WILLFUL ignorance, Alice. What do you have to gain from that? Is your country better served by such activity? That kinds of makes you an anti-patriot, doesn't it?

No, it does not.

I was called a traitor when I supported the troops but not the war. That was just as crappy as your insinuation that because I don't believe in this birther fiction I am an anti-patriot.

Gibbs said the birth cert was on the internet...and it is...it is a COLB and is all that is required. You wanna live in your little twilight zone, go for it. You are doing your fellow conservatives that know this conspiracy crap is just that, crap, no favors.

The true Republicans might have had a chance of reviving themselves...until your birther fringe group got in the way. Pat yourself on the back for that, Sandhusker. Pat yourself on the back that instead of being able to see the problems in our current administration, they are being clouded and made almost invisible by this lunacy.

Alice
 

Sandhusker

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Alice, "Gibbs said the birth cert was on the internet...and it is...it is a COLB and is all that is required"

A COLB IS NOT A BIRTH CERTIFICATE
A COLB IS NOT A BIRTH CERTIFICATE
A COLB IS NOT A BIRTH CERTIFICATE
A COLB IS NOT A BIRTH CERTIFICATE
A COLB IS NOT A BIRTH CERTIFICATE
A COLB IS NOT A BIRTH CERTIFICATE

Do you understand now? Any questions?

"is all that is required" All that is required for WHAT?
 

alice

Well-known member
Sandhusker said:
Alice, "Gibbs said the birth cert was on the internet...and it is...it is a COLB and is all that is required"

A COLB IS NOT A BIRTH CERTIFICATE
A COLB IS NOT A BIRTH CERTIFICATE
A COLB IS NOT A BIRTH CERTIFICATE
A COLB IS NOT A BIRTH CERTIFICATE
A COLB IS NOT A BIRTH CERTIFICATE
A COLB IS NOT A BIRTH CERTIFICATE

Do you understand now? Any questions?

"is all that is required" All that is required for WHAT?

A COLB IS NOT A BIRTH CERTIFICATE? Why, 'cause YOU say so? The Supreme Court thinks it serves the purpose...the state of Hawaii thinks it serves the purpose...the overwhelming majority of Congress thinks it serves the purpose.........but you birthers, you all intelligent, all wise, all knowing ones that bray and bleat this crap will be the downfall of the Republican party.

Alice
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
alice said:
Sandhusker said:
Alice, "Gibbs said the birth cert was on the internet...and it is...it is a COLB and is all that is required"

A COLB IS NOT A BIRTH CERTIFICATE
A COLB IS NOT A BIRTH CERTIFICATE
A COLB IS NOT A BIRTH CERTIFICATE
A COLB IS NOT A BIRTH CERTIFICATE
A COLB IS NOT A BIRTH CERTIFICATE
A COLB IS NOT A BIRTH CERTIFICATE

Do you understand now? Any questions?

"is all that is required" All that is required for WHAT?

A COLB IS NOT A BIRTH CERTIFICATE? Why, 'cause YOU say so? The Supreme Court thinks it serves the purpose...the state of Hawaii thinks it serves the purpose...the overwhelming majority of Congress thinks it serves the purpose.........but you birthers, you all intelligent, all wise, all knowing ones that bray and bleat this crap will be the downfall of the Republican party.

Alice

Why? BECAUSE IT'S NOT!!!! A birth cert states a place of birth, a COLB does not. In most states, you can't get a driver's license or even register your kids for little league with a COLB! Why, because you can be born in Kenya and get a COLB, but you can't be born in Kenya and get a cert!

The Supreme Court thinks is serves WHAT pupose?
 

alice

Well-known member
http://www.sanfranciscosentinel.com/?p=36160

Joe Scarborough, a former Republican Congressman who hosts his own cable news show described the “birthers” as “cartoon characters”.

“Instead of trying to actually figure out what’s happening to their country, the terrible things that are happening economically to their country,” such people would rather “embrace conspiracy theories,” he said.

He compared the conspiracy theorists to people who believe “the United States government blew up its own buildings and killed its own people on September 11″, or that American astronauts “never landed on the moon.”

Michael Medved, a conservative talk-show host, described the leadership of the so-called “birther” movement as “crazy, nutburger, demagogue, money-hungry, exploitative, irresponsible, filthy conservative impostors.”

They caused terrible damage to the conservative movement, he added. “It makes us look weird. It makes us look crazy. It makes us look demented. It makes us look sick, troubled, and not suitable for civilised company.”

The COLB states that Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii. As far as not being able to get a passport with a COLB...bull! I couldn't get a passport with my "long form." I had to get a COLB from the county clerk's office.

Alice
 

hopalong

Well-known member
alice said:
Sandhusker said:
alice said:
Uh, Sandhusker...I could easily say the same about you and the birthers.

Alice

You could say that, you could say anything, but that doesn't make it true. The difference is that we're dealing with facts, you're dealing with what you want to be facts. A great example is Gibb's statement about the birth certificate being on the net.

FACT: He said it is on the net.
FACT: It's not on the net.

A birther comes to the logical conclusion that Gibbs is lying. You come to the conclusion that is it there, even though you can't find it even after being offered a $100 bounty to find it. You want it to be there, so you believe it is there - but it just isn't there, is it Alice?

Same thing with a natural born citizen needing both parents to be free of any other country. You so desperately want Poppa Obama to qualify, but he clearly doesn't. So what do you do? You ignore the facts and try to start a fire someplace else. The facts don't support your opinion - but your opinion remains unchanged.

Everything you've said about me...I can turn around and say the same about you and the birthers.

I disagree with you, Sandhusker. Simple as that...and that $100 bounty is insulting, btw.


Alice

WHY is it insulting, could that be because you feel above it? :wink: :wink:
You still didn't answer my question about what you felt when YOU saw his BC miss fluff :wink: :wink:

YOu don't answer any questions you just toss out fluff.
 

Sandhusker

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alice said:
http://www.sanfranciscosentinel.com/?p=36160

Joe Scarborough, a former Republican Congressman who hosts his own cable news show described the “birthers” as “cartoon characters”.

“Instead of trying to actually figure out what’s happening to their country, the terrible things that are happening economically to their country,” such people would rather “embrace conspiracy theories,” he said.

He compared the conspiracy theorists to people who believe “the United States government blew up its own buildings and killed its own people on September 11″, or that American astronauts “never landed on the moon.”

Michael Medved, a conservative talk-show host, described the leadership of the so-called “birther” movement as “crazy, nutburger, demagogue, money-hungry, exploitative, irresponsible, filthy conservative impostors.”

They caused terrible damage to the conservative movement, he added. “It makes us look weird. It makes us look crazy. It makes us look demented. It makes us look sick, troubled, and not suitable for civilised company.”

The COLB states that Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii. As far as not being able to get a passport with a COLB...bull! I couldn't get a passport with my "long form." I had to get a COLB from the county clerk's office.

Alice

What hospital, Alice? Where did I say anything about a passport?

Speaking of passports, from the US Dept. of State - needed documents for a passport;
Primary Evidence of U.S. Citizenship (One of the following):
Previously issued, undamaged U.S. Passport
Certified birth certificate issued by the city, county or state*
Consular Report of Birth Abroad or Certification of Birth
Naturalization Certificate
Certificate of Citizenship

Looks to me that a birth cert. is accepted. Perhaps somebody "misspoke"?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBgkDSw-wQ0&feature=related
 

hopalong

Well-known member
Sandhusker said:
alice said:
http://www.sanfranciscosentinel.com/?p=36160

Joe Scarborough, a former Republican Congressman who hosts his own cable news show described the “birthers” as “cartoon characters”.

“Instead of trying to actually figure out what’s happening to their country, the terrible things that are happening economically to their country,” such people would rather “embrace conspiracy theories,” he said.

He compared the conspiracy theorists to people who believe “the United States government blew up its own buildings and killed its own people on September 11″, or that American astronauts “never landed on the moon.”

Michael Medved, a conservative talk-show host, described the leadership of the so-called “birther” movement as “crazy, nutburger, demagogue, money-hungry, exploitative, irresponsible, filthy conservative impostors.”

They caused terrible damage to the conservative movement, he added. “It makes us look weird. It makes us look crazy. It makes us look demented. It makes us look sick, troubled, and not suitable for civilised company.”

The COLB states that Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii. As far as not being able to get a passport with a COLB...bull! I couldn't get a passport with my "long form." I had to get a COLB from the county clerk's office.Alice

What hospital, Alice? Where did I say anything about a passport?

Speaking of passports, from the US Dept. of State - needed documents for a passport;
Primary Evidence of U.S. Citizenship (One of the following):
Previously issued, undamaged U.S. Passport
Certified birth certificate issued by the city, county or state*
Consular Report of Birth Abroad or Certification of Birth
Naturalization Certificate
Certificate of Citizenship

Looks to me that a birth cert. is accepted. Perhaps somebody "misspoke"?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBgkDSw-wQ0&feature=related

WOW that makes you a party of ONE!
:wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:
The rest of the USA need a long form and all you need is a COLB thqat is a lot of B.S.
 

alice

Well-known member
Taitz is the subject of a lawsuit filed by Berg. Media Matters editor and ConWebWatch proprietor Terry Krepel wrote of Berg's lawsuit against Taitz:

Philip Berg -- the same person whose legal actions over the birth certificate WND first endeavored to shoot down until it decided that they served its anti-Obama agenda -- filed a lawsuit against Taitz in April, accusing her and various associates of "harassing" Berg and fellow plaintiffs (among them Taitz's former webmaster), and filing "falsified police and law enforcement reports" regarding her claims against the former webmaster. Berg noted in his filing that "Taitz is no stranger to falsifying stories and falsely claiming to be the victim of 'hacking' of her websites" and accuses Taitz of plagiarizing the briefs he filed in his birth certificate-related actions for her own filings. Berg also claimed that an investigator working for Taitz dug up alleged information about an employee of Berg's and "sent the information to Taitz and a reporter with World Net Daily" complete with the employee's full Social Security number, which neither the investigator nor Taitz had "permissible purpose to obtain."

In a June 22 Washington Independent post, David Weigel wrote of Taitz: "I ran into the same problem that Kornhaber did -- for all of Taitz's legwork, none of her stuff held up. It was/is based on misunderstandings and a failure to check the veracity or meaning of documents with the right people."

Starting to turn on each other...only a matter of time before they implode.

Alice
 

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