hypocritexposer said:Still no evidence that a Natural Born Citizen can have a non citizen parent?
reader (the Second) said:Friday, July 24, 2009 19:50 EDT
McCain campaign vetted Birther rumors
There are, of course, a whole lot of truly baffling things about the Birther movement and its theories. But perhaps one of the most puzzling is this unanswered question: If President Obama really were born in Kenya, why didn't the McCain or Clinton campaigns dig up the evidence and publicize it? Why has that task fallen to the ragtag crew that is the Birthers, led now by Orly Taitz, a dentist/lawyer/real estate agent who got her law degree online and is regularly admonished for having little, if any, idea how to properly file her court papers?
Turns out there's an answer.
The Washington Independent's David Weigel, one of the best sources of reportage on the movement, had a scoop on Friday: The McCain campaign did hear of the rumors of Obama's birth, and -- though they were skeptical from the start -- checked them out.
"We never saw any evidence that then-Senator Obama had been born outside of the United States," Trevor Potter, who served as the general counsel for the McCain campaign, told Weigel. "We saw rumors, but nothing that could be sourced to evidence. There were no statements and no documents that suggested he was born somewhere else. On the other side, there was proof that he was born in Hawaii."
Weigel also quotes an unnamed lawyer who was working for the McCain campaign and was asked to look into the legal merits of one of the early Birther lawsuits. "The conversation was along the lines of ‘this is idiotic, but explain to me why,’” that lawyer said. “I looked at whether the lawsuit was going to be dismissed. I said yes.”
Of course, it's no surprise that the McCain camp found nothing to substantiate the rumors, both because they're not true and because they're being developed and spread by people who see dark forces working against them at every turn, and misinterpret every available bit of evidence to support that belief.
Look no further than World Net Daily, a conservative Web site that's done the most to keep the issue alive: On Friday, it reported that search engines like Google and Bing were "systematically scrubbing our content." This is their evidence:
Weeks ago, when WND was one of the few sources for news information about President Obama's eligibility controversy, a search for "Obama birth certificate" on Google News would have produced dozens of WND story links.
Today, however, typing in "Obama birth certificate" and sorting by relevance leads to a long list of links apparently deemed more "relevant" than WND's coverage.
As if it needed to be said, there's been no scrubbing, and their articles are still easily located on Google.
But to WND Editor Joseph Farah, the fact that his publication's articles on the topic aren't ranked as highly in search results now as they are when WND is the only one on the story is evidence of "a broad pattern of Internet search engine censorship."
I couldn't make this up if I tried, folks.
hopalong said:Alice here are the requirments to obtain a Usa passport!
Note what it says about the use of a COLB.
http://travel.state.gov/passport/get/first/first_830.html
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*A certified birth certificate has a registrar's raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal, registrar’s signature, and the date the certificate was filed with the registrar's office, which must be within 1 year of your birth. Please note, some short (abstract) versions of birth certificates may not be acceptable for passport purposes.
alice said:hypocritexposer said:Still no evidence that a Natural Born Citizen can have a non citizen parent?
Obama was born in Hawaii, of a United States citizen. That makes him a natural born United States citizen. And, until SCOTUS rules otherwise, it is a moot point...and they're aren't gonna do that because it is a ludicrous assumption...and have indicated so by not granting hearings on the birther's lawsuits.
Alice
Sandhusker said:reader (the Second) said:Friday, July 24, 2009 19:50 EDT
McCain campaign vetted Birther rumors
There are, of course, a whole lot of truly baffling things about the Birther movement and its theories. But perhaps one of the most puzzling is this unanswered question: If President Obama really were born in Kenya, why didn't the McCain or Clinton campaigns dig up the evidence and publicize it? Why has that task fallen to the ragtag crew that is the Birthers, led now by Orly Taitz, a dentist/lawyer/real estate agent who got her law degree online and is regularly admonished for having little, if any, idea how to properly file her court papers?
Turns out there's an answer.
The Washington Independent's David Weigel, one of the best sources of reportage on the movement, had a scoop on Friday: The McCain campaign did hear of the rumors of Obama's birth, and -- though they were skeptical from the start -- checked them out.
"We never saw any evidence that then-Senator Obama had been born outside of the United States," Trevor Potter, who served as the general counsel for the McCain campaign, told Weigel. "We saw rumors, but nothing that could be sourced to evidence. There were no statements and no documents that suggested he was born somewhere else. On the other side, there was proof that he was born in Hawaii."
Weigel also quotes an unnamed lawyer who was working for the McCain campaign and was asked to look into the legal merits of one of the early Birther lawsuits. "The conversation was along the lines of ‘this is idiotic, but explain to me why,’” that lawyer said. “I looked at whether the lawsuit was going to be dismissed. I said yes.”
Of course, it's no surprise that the McCain camp found nothing to substantiate the rumors, both because they're not true and because they're being developed and spread by people who see dark forces working against them at every turn, and misinterpret every available bit of evidence to support that belief.
Look no further than World Net Daily, a conservative Web site that's done the most to keep the issue alive: On Friday, it reported that search engines like Google and Bing were "systematically scrubbing our content." This is their evidence:
Weeks ago, when WND was one of the few sources for news information about President Obama's eligibility controversy, a search for "Obama birth certificate" on Google News would have produced dozens of WND story links.
Today, however, typing in "Obama birth certificate" and sorting by relevance leads to a long list of links apparently deemed more "relevant" than WND's coverage.
As if it needed to be said, there's been no scrubbing, and their articles are still easily located on Google.
But to WND Editor Joseph Farah, the fact that his publication's articles on the topic aren't ranked as highly in search results now as they are when WND is the only one on the story is evidence of "a broad pattern of Internet search engine censorship."
I couldn't make this up if I tried, folks.
Yeah, Yeah, Yeah... then explain to me why he is spending a small fortune to keep his cert hidden if there are no issues?
Why is Robert Gibbs lying about the existence of a birth cert. being on the internet?
Instead of posting what others have said, how about some original thought?
hopalong said:alice said:Sandhusker said:You could say that, you could say anything, but that doesn't make it true. The difference is that we're dealing with facts, you're dealing with what you want to be facts. A great example is Gibb's statement about the birth certificate being on the net.
FACT: He said it is on the net.
FACT: It's not on the net.
A birther comes to the logical conclusion that Gibbs is lying. You come to the conclusion that is it there, even though you can't find it even after being offered a $100 bounty to find it. You want it to be there, so you believe it is there - but it just isn't there, is it Alice?
Same thing with a natural born citizen needing both parents to be free of any other country. You so desperately want Poppa Obama to qualify, but he clearly doesn't. So what do you do? You ignore the facts and try to start a fire someplace else. The facts don't support your opinion - but your opinion remains unchanged.
Everything you've said about me...I can turn around and say the same about you and the birthers.
I disagree with you, Sandhusker. Simple as that...and that $100 bounty is insulting, btw.
Alice
WHY is it insulting, could that be because you feel above it? :wink: :wink:
You still didn't answer my question about what you felt when YOU saw his BC miss fluff :wink: :wink:
YOu don't answer any questions you just toss out fluff.
nonothing said:hopalong said:alice said:Everything you've said about me...I can turn around and say the same about you and the birthers.
I disagree with you, Sandhusker. Simple as that...and that $100 bounty is insulting, btw.
Alice
WHY is it insulting, could that be because you feel above it? :wink: :wink:
You still didn't answer my question about what you felt when YOU saw his BC miss fluff :wink: :wink:
YOu don't answer any questions you just toss out fluff.
I feel bad for you Alice..Now with Kolo not around this poor guy has to stalk someone here...Looks like he has chosen you...He even changed his sig line ...The man is just plum creepy....sorry..
alice said:Sandhusker said:
Yeah, Yeah, Yeah... then explain to me why he is spending a small fortune to keep his cert hidden if there are no issues?
Why is Robert Gibbs lying about the existence of a birth cert. being on the internet?
Instead of posting what others have said, how about some original thought?
Always seems to come full circle with the birther's, doesn't it R2? :lol: :lol: :lol:
nonothing said:hopalong said:alice said:Everything you've said about me...I can turn around and say the same about you and the birthers.
I disagree with you, Sandhusker. Simple as that...and that $100 bounty is insulting, btw.
Alice
WHY is it insulting, could that be because you feel above it? :wink: :wink:
You still didn't answer my question about what you felt when YOU saw his BC miss fluff :wink: :wink:
YOu don't answer any questions you just toss out fluff.
I feel bad for you Alice..Now with Kolo not around this poor guy has to stalk someone here...Looks like he has chosen you...He even changed his sig line ...The man is just plum creepy....sorry..
aplusmnt said:nonothing said:hopalong said:WHY is it insulting, could that be because you feel above it? :wink: :wink:
You still didn't answer my question about what you felt when YOU saw his BC miss fluff :wink: :wink:
YOu don't answer any questions you just toss out fluff.
I feel bad for you Alice..Now with Kolo not around this poor guy has to stalk someone here...Looks like he has chosen you...He even changed his sig line ...The man is just plum creepy....sorry..
You guys are such wimps, a small message board were everyone respond to everyone. Liberals must be the opposite of Vampires because they are probably so scared of the dark they only come out at Day time!
:roll:
One Liberals thinks words are like Literally being raped and another thinks posting comments is stalking......I would think as scared of things are you guys are you would be more for gun ownership, but then them loud bangs probably scare you so you are afraid to touch them!
alice said:aplusmnt said:nonothing said:I feel bad for you Alice..Now with Kolo not around this poor guy has to stalk someone here...Looks like he has chosen you...He even changed his sig line ...The man is just plum creepy....sorry..
You guys are such wimps, a small message board were everyone respond to everyone. Liberals must be the opposite of Vampires because they are probably so scared of the dark they only come out at Day time!
:roll:
One Liberals thinks words are like Literally being raped and another thinks posting comments is stalking......I would think as scared of things are you guys are you would be more for gun ownership, but then them loud bangs probably scare you so you are afraid to touch them!
Or maybe, unlike you, we work during the day, where your business requires you to work after business hours.
Alice
aplusmnt said:alice said:aplusmnt said:You guys are such wimps, a small message board were everyone respond to everyone. Liberals must be the opposite of Vampires because they are probably so scared of the dark they only come out at Day time!
:roll:
One Liberals thinks words are like Literally being raped and another thinks posting comments is stalking......I would think as scared of things are you guys are you would be more for gun ownership, but then them loud bangs probably scare you so you are afraid to touch them!
Or maybe, unlike you, we work during the day, where your business requires you to work after business hours.
Alice
That does not explain why you guys are so afraid of everything! :wink:
Juan A. de Hoyos, a naturalized U.S. citizen living in Texas, wanted to cross the Rio Grande to see some family members.
On June 1, it became mandatory to have a passport to travel to Mexico. When he submitted his application, he included the only document he had that resembled the required birth certificate – a Texas birth card or birth abstract, a document he describes as looking "almost identical to the one President Obama posted on that website."
But while that certification of live birth was enough to qualify Obama for the White House, de Hoyos can't believe the only birth document he has won't qualify him to get a U.S. passport.
This doesn't sit well with de Hoyos – and many other Americans in similar situations being forced to produce exactly the right paperwork for routine matters while they see the president getting a pass on a constitutional requirement to be eligible for the highest office in the land.
"I merely want to be able to cross a bridge to go see my family, and I am being told that my 'abstract of birth' is not sufficient," said de Hoyos. "Barack Obama has asked the American people to accept this same type of document to become the leader of the free world!"
"No man, no matter how popular he may be, should be allowed to blatantly disregard the provisions of the Constitution," says de Hoyos. "If we lose the Constitution, we lose America."
aplusmnt said:nonothing said:hopalong said:WHY is it insulting, could that be because you feel above it? :wink: :wink:
You still didn't answer my question about what you felt when YOU saw his BC miss fluff :wink: :wink:
YOu don't answer any questions you just toss out fluff.
I feel bad for you Alice..Now with Kolo not around this poor guy has to stalk someone here...Looks like he has chosen you...He even changed his sig line ...The man is just plum creepy....sorry..
You guys are such wimps, a small message board were everyone respond to everyone. Liberals must be the opposite of Vampires because they are probably so scared of the dark they only come out at Day time!
:roll:
One Liberals thinks words are like Literally being raped and another thinks posting comments is stalking......I would think as scared of things are you guys are you would be more for gun ownership, but then them loud bangs probably scare you so you are afraid to touch them!
hypocritexposer said:Juan A. de Hoyos, a naturalized U.S. citizen living in Texas, wanted to cross the Rio Grande to see some family members.
On June 1, it became mandatory to have a passport to travel to Mexico. When he submitted his application, he included the only document he had that resembled the required birth certificate – a Texas birth card or birth abstract, a document he describes as looking "almost identical to the one President Obama posted on that website."
But while that certification of live birth was enough to qualify Obama for the White House, de Hoyos can't believe the only birth document he has won't qualify him to get a U.S. passport.
This doesn't sit well with de Hoyos – and many other Americans in similar situations being forced to produce exactly the right paperwork for routine matters while they see the president getting a pass on a constitutional requirement to be eligible for the highest office in the land.
"I merely want to be able to cross a bridge to go see my family, and I am being told that my 'abstract of birth' is not sufficient," said de Hoyos. "Barack Obama has asked the American people to accept this same type of document to become the leader of the free world!"
"No man, no matter how popular he may be, should be allowed to blatantly disregard the provisions of the Constitution," says de Hoyos. "If we lose the Constitution, we lose America."
Sandhusker said:Ummmm, that's not what he's getting at, Alice.