• If you are having problems logging in please use the Contact Us in the lower right hand corner of the forum page for assistance.

CNN president found Obama's long form BC

Sandhusker

Well-known member
alice said:
Sandhusker said:
Ummmm, that's not what he's getting at, Alice.

Then he needs to use a better example.

Alice

I had no problem understanding his example. Obama is trying to skate on a document to be President of the US that is lesser than what he needs to cross a bridge.

He also thinks the President of the US should be subject to the law, because without law, we have nothing.
 

alice

Well-known member
Sandhusker said:
alice said:
Sandhusker said:
Ummmm, that's not what he's getting at, Alice.

Then he needs to use a better example.

Alice

I had no problem understanding his example. Obama is trying to skate on a document to be President of the US that is lesser than what he needs to cross a bridge.

He also thinks the President of the US should be subject to the law, because without law, we have nothing.

That's waaaaay to abstract, Sandhusker. I deal in reality...

Alice
 

hypocritexposer

Well-known member
Here's reality Alice. Notice there is nothing as abstract as who feeds the child when they are born.

There is general agreement on the core of settled meaning. Anyone born on American soil whose parents are citizens of the United States of American is a "natural born citizen."

Lawrence B. Solum
University of Illinois College of Law
 

Yanuck

Well-known member
hypocritexposer said:
Here's reality Alice. Notice there is nothing as abstract as who feeds the child when they are born.

There is general agreement on the core of settled meaning. Anyone born on American soil whose parents are citizens of the United States of American is a "natural born citizen."

Lawrence B. Solum
University of Illinois College of Law

okay....so according to Alice, my kids are eligible to POTUS, according to that above, my kids are not.....correct?
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
alice said:
Sandhusker said:
alice said:
Then he needs to use a better example.

Alice

I had no problem understanding his example. Obama is trying to skate on a document to be President of the US that is lesser than what he needs to cross a bridge.

He also thinks the President of the US should be subject to the law, because without law, we have nothing.

That's waaaaay to abstract, Sandhusker. I deal in reality...

Alice

You deal in reality...... You had to have a COLB instead of your birth cert. to get a passport? That's reality?
 

hypocritexposer

Well-known member
Yanuck said:
hypocritexposer said:
Here's reality Alice. Notice there is nothing as abstract as who feeds the child when they are born.

There is general agreement on the core of settled meaning. Anyone born on American soil whose parents are citizens of the United States of American is a "natural born citizen."

Lawrence B. Solum
University of Illinois College of Law

okay....so according to Alice, my kids are eligible to POTUS, according to that above, my kids are not.....correct?

Were you a Canadian citizen when they were born, or did you have American citizenship?

If you were not an American, then no, they would not be eligible.
 

Yanuck

Well-known member
hypocritexposer said:
Yanuck said:
hypocritexposer said:
Here's reality Alice. Notice there is nothing as abstract as who feeds the child when they are born.

okay....so according to Alice, my kids are eligible to POTUS, according to that above, my kids are not.....correct?

Were you a Canadian citizen when they were born, or did you have American citizenship?

If you were not an American, then no, they would not be eligible.

Nope, I was only Canadian, but I guess if Obama can do it, everyone can!! :wink:
 

hypocritexposer

Well-known member
Yep, looks like the trend of ignoring the Constitution is the in thing to do.

You never know, maybe they will amend the Constitution to allow for persons born to one American Citizen parent to be eligible by the time your kids are old enough.

I can't see any reason for not allowing it, but until it is changed, that's the law.

Barney Frank tried to have a bill passed to amend it in 2001, but it did not pass, so now it looks like they just ignore it. Although it was important enough to make a statement about McCain's "natural Born citizenship"
 

alice

Well-known member
Sandhusker said:
alice said:
Sandhusker said:
I had no problem understanding his example. Obama is trying to skate on a document to be President of the US that is lesser than what he needs to cross a bridge.

He also thinks the President of the US should be subject to the law, because without law, we have nothing.

That's waaaaay to abstract, Sandhusker. I deal in reality...

Alice

You deal in reality...... You had to have a COLB instead of your birth cert. to get a passport? That's reality?

It is indeed...

Alice
 

alice

Well-known member
Yanuck said:
hypocritexposer said:
Here's reality Alice. Notice there is nothing as abstract as who feeds the child when they are born.

There is general agreement on the core of settled meaning. Anyone born on American soil whose parents are citizens of the United States of American is a "natural born citizen."

Lawrence B. Solum
University of Illinois College of Law

okay....so according to Alice, my kids are eligible to POTUS, according to that above, my kids are not.....correct?

Don't know the circumstances of your children's birth. I learned in Civics that if your children are born on United States soil, they are natural born citizens. If your children are born to a citizen, or citizens of the United States, they are natural born citizens. As to natural born, SCOTUS has not made any decision otherwise.

Alice
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
alice said:
Yanuck said:
hypocritexposer said:
Here's reality Alice. Notice there is nothing as abstract as who feeds the child when they are born.

okay....so according to Alice, my kids are eligible to POTUS, according to that above, my kids are not.....correct?

Don't know the circumstances of your children's birth. I learned in Civics that if your children are born on United States soil, they are natural born citizens. If your children are born to a citizen, or citizens of the United States, they are natural born citizens. As to natural born, SCOTUS has not made any decision otherwise.

Alice

If that's the case, you were taught wrong in Civics. Does it need to be explained to you AGAIN the difference between "citizen" and "natural born citizen"? Why do you continue to fight the facts?
 

Yanuck

Well-known member
alice said:
Yanuck said:
hypocritexposer said:
Here's reality Alice. Notice there is nothing as abstract as who feeds the child when they are born.

okay....so according to Alice, my kids are eligible to POTUS, according to that above, my kids are not.....correct?

Don't know the circumstances of your children's birth. I learned in Civics that if your children are born on United States soil, they are natural born citizens. If your children are born to a citizen, or citizens of the United States, they are natural born citizens. As to natural born, SCOTUS has not made any decision otherwise.

Alice

they were all born in the US, but I didn't become a naturalized citizen until after they were all born. My Mom was also born to 2 American citizens, who lived in Canada, where she was born....is she eligible?
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
reader (the Second) said:
How about my kids? Both born in Austin, Texas to an American mother and an Argentine father.

I know the answer to this one :)

If the Argentine father was never a US citizen, then
Citizen - YES
Natural Born Citizen - NO
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
reader (the Second) said:
And then why the he** are you making a fuss about Obama's birth certificate?

Allen Keyes said he was born in Hawaii to an American mother and therefore is eligible.

Orly Taitz said that he wouldn't be eligible regardless because he needed to have TWO U.S. citizens as parents.

If he's not eligible EVEN if he was born in Hawaii then why are you going on and on and on and on about the COLB???

Fools.

Allen Keyes doesn't know he was born in Hawaii.
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
reader (the Second) said:
Answer the question Sandhusker.

What does the birth certificate matter if he can only be a natural born citizen according to you and hypo (lol) if both his parents were citizens at the time of his birth??

It matters because whatever is on that cert takes away any out you liberals may dream up. Obama's actions prove that there is something that is very damning on that cert. That cert takes away all doubt.
 

hypocritexposer

Well-known member
As I have explained on here before.

There are 2 issues. His refusal to release his BC and the "Natural Born Citizen" issue.

And yes Reader. I have also said that it does not matter if he was born in Hawaii, when it comes to the "Natural Born Citizen" issue.

The BC would be the first step in proving you are a Natural Born Citizen, because it would verify your parents birthplaces.

hawaii-birth-certificate-1963-2.jpg
 

hypocritexposer

Well-known member
alice said:
hypocritexposer said:
It was discarded by accident, ya, that's it. So there Lou Dobbs, "shut-up", you've been warned.

The website TVNewser reported today that Klein sent an e-mail to staffers of “Lou Dobbs Tonight” just as the program went to air, informing them that CNN researchers had determined that Hawaiian officials discarded all paper documents in 2001. A long-form birth certificate with details about the doctor who delivered Obama no longer exists, they reported. The shorter Certificate of Live Birth noting Obama’s birth on Aug. 4, 1961, that has been made public is the official record.

I read it was discarded with the rest of the birth certs. in Hawaii that were not the short forms. All of the birth certs. before 2002, when they went to the short forms, had the pertinent data transferred to the short form, and the rest were discarded.

When I got my passport years ago, I had to use the birth cert. that was filed in the county clerk's office. I couldn't use the cute little birth cert. that had doc's name, hospital name, foot print, etc. that the hospital gave my parents when I was born. It is not accepted as an official document.

Alice

If "the political researchers" at CNN had made more extensive inquiries than just repeating a public statement made on June 7, 2009, by the Department of Health spokesman to a local newspaper, they would have discovered that up until sometime between June 10 and June 18, 2009, the Department of Hawaiian Home Lands required applicants for special privileges to present copies of their original birth certificates. The DHHL regarded the shorter "Certification of Live Birth" as insufficient. Therefore the DHHL instructed all applicants to this program in the accepted procedure for obtaining copies of their original birth certificate from the Department of Health.

Here, from a Hawaii state document that was posted on June 10, 2009, is a description of how to apply for the original "Certificate of Live Birth" (the original birth certificate) as opposed to the "Certification of Live Birth":

In order to process your application [to prove native Hawaiian ancestry], DHHL [Department of Hawaiian Homelands] utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL.

Please note that DOH [Department of Health] no longer offers same day service. If you plan on picking up your certified DOH document(s), you should allow at least 10 working days for DOH to process your request(s), OR four to six weeks if you want your certified certificate(s) mailed to you
.
 

hopalong

Well-known member
nonothing said:
aplusmnt said:
nonothing said:
I feel bad for you Alice..Now with Kolo not around this poor guy has to stalk someone here...Looks like he has chosen you...He even changed his sig line ...The man is just plum creepy....sorry..

You guys are such wimps, a small message board were everyone respond to everyone. Liberals must be the opposite of Vampires because they are probably so scared of the dark they only come out at Day time!

:roll:

One Liberals thinks words are like Literally being raped and another thinks posting comments is stalking......I would think as scared of things are you guys are you would be more for gun ownership, but then them loud bangs probably scare you so you are afraid to touch them!

Thats because you have zero class......I am not surprised your ok with internet stalking and and other disgusting acts on the net.....You come across as kind of a wimp that when off of the net you are probably just a scared little man...but the net gives you a chance to be that sick minded guy you yearn to be...So ya its not surprising you enjoy Hopalongs passion for stalking and the bulling of women that you yourself par take in here....

I would not need a gun for a guy like you Aplus.....Your just learking in the weeds for much weeker prey and thats the sad part.....You would probably cry like a little school girl if a man ever confronted you on your behavior...and curl up into a ball while sucking your thumb and shaking in fear....

That is not true and yiou know it, because i am not bullying you at all little lady!! :wink: :wink:
 

Latest posts

Top