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Colorado State Patrol – Christians Need to be Watched, Treat

Larrry

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Are they coming for you


Colorado State Patrol – Christians Need to be Watched, Treated with Caution
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by Michelle Morin
A True Hero, Ron Trowbridge We need more like him.

A True Hero, Ron Trowbridge
We need more like him now.
When it comes to freedom, things are changing fast and for the worst in America, and it’s happening at accelerated speed here in Colorado.

Not only are laws being written at mach speed to regulate, tax, and restrict individual freedom, but ideas are changing amongst the Colorado citizenry. Local law enforcement, in particular, are being put at a new crossroads and are being positioned to make some tough decisions about their duties. They will very soon be choosing between enforcing Constitutional rule of law and new laws which contradict our Constitutional principles and which make criminals out of innocents.
If you are a law enforcement officer, a person of faith, or someone who values both America’s First and Second Amendments, then this is a MUST-READ.

On April 5, 2013, blogger Steven H. Ahle over at The Red Statements received an email from Prowers County, Colorado Undersheriff Ron Trowbridge. Here is Steve’s original post:

I recently received a letter from one of law enforcement’s finest. He had attended a seminar in which he was told to be on the lookout for Christians. The letter was written by an attendee, Ron Trowbridge, Undersheriff in Prowers County, Colorado. I would like to thank Sheriff Trowbridge for the letter and the 25 years he has spent protecting the public in his county. Fear of reprisals from either the Colorado State Police and Homeland Security, fail to stop this patriot from exposing what our law officers are being subjected to. Because of his bravery, we are able to get an inside look on how nefarious forces within our government are attempting to indoctrinate our law officers. As this letter proves, our officers cannot be intimidated. Nor can they be turned on the people they serve. The people of Prowers County are very lucky to have him.

Without further delay, here is the letter unedited and complete in it’s original form:

From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: CSP Training Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 10:30:22 -0600

On April 1, 2013 I attended training in La Junta, Colorado hosted by the Colorado State Patrol (CSP). The training was from 12:00 pm to 4:00 pm and covered two topics, Sovereign Citizens, and Outlaw Motorcycle Gangs. I was pretty familiar with motorcycle gangs but since we often deal with the so-called sovereign citizen groups I was interested to see what they had to say. The group consisted of police officers, deputies, and CSP troopers. There were about 20 people in attendance.

Trooper Joe Kluczynski taught a 2-hour section on sovereign citizens. Kluczynski spent most of his two hours focusing on how, in his view and apparently the view of Homeland Security, people turn to the sovereign citizen movement. Kluczynski started off by saying there are probably some sovereign citizens in this room and gave a generalized list of those groups that have sovereign citizen views. Among those groups, Kluczynski had listed, were those who believe America was founded on godly principles, Christians who take the Bible literally, and “fundamentalists”. Kluczynski did not explain what he meant by “fundamentalists” but from the context it was clear he was referring again to those who took the Bible literally or “too seriously.”

While Kluczynski emphasized that sovereign citizens have a right to their beliefs, he was clearly teaching that the groups he had listed should be watched by law enforcement and should be treated with caution because of their potential to assault law enforcement. Kluczynski explained why he believed these groups were dangerous saying they were angry over the election of a black president. When someone in the group suggested the failing economy was probably much more to blame, Kluczynski intimated that those who are not going along with the changes in America will need to be controlled by law enforcement. Kluczynski even later questioned some of the troopers present if they were willing and prepared to confiscate “illegal” weapons if ordered to.

Kluczynski’s assignment with the CSP was an Analyst for the Colorado Information Analysis Center, (CIAC). CIAC is funded by Homeland Security funds and run by the CSP. Kluczynski said he gets his information from the Department of Homeland Security. Kluczynski said he was leaving the CSP at the end of that week (March 29, 2013) to begin his new career with Homeland Security. I thought he was perfect for the job.

Ron Trowbridge

Undersheriff

Prowers County Sheriff’s Office

Wow! This is a powerful letter, written incredibly well and I was blown away when I read it. My question for Kluczynski would be this: “If we look at recent mass murderers such as former officer Chris Dorner, who went on a rampage and killed 5 people and wounding others, Adam Lanza, the shooter at Newtown, James Holmes, who killed 12 and wounded many more, Nidal Hasan, who killed 13 fellow servicemen, or even Gabby Gifford’s shooter , Jared Lee Loughner, all were liberals except Hasan who is a Muslim terrorist. Why are you lecturing on Christians, who do not commit these type of killings? Why are you not lecturing officers on Muslims and liberals?”

Obviously, it was not his intent to prevent any further killings in the future but to defame Christians and to label them as racists because they oppose the disastrous policies of President Barack Obama. In my personal opinion, we have more to fear from propaganda merchants like Kluczynski, than we would ever have from Christians. Thank God we have men such as Sheriff Trowbridge, who cannot be corrupted or silenced. I will monitor the situation, in case he is harassed or faces reprisals and I hope I can count on all of you to make your voices heard, should he need our help.

h/t The Red Statements (Thank you Steve!)
Thank you Undersheriff Trowbridge for bravely sharing this, and for serving Colorado citizens as you have for so long. You are a hero.

There are a growing number of folks for whom we can be grateful, who understand what’s happening and how it directly affects individuals, and who are bravely speaking out about it. One of those individuals is Prowers County, Colorado Undersheriff Ron Trowbridge. I’m praying for Undersheriff Trowbridge, and I hope my readers will too. We need more courageous local law enforcement like Trowbridge who understand both our times and our Constitution.

I also ask that my readers share this post broadly, both in support of Undersheriff Trowbridge and others like him, but also so Colorado citizens (and beyond) will understand what’s really happening to our freedoms. If individuals from other states can learn from my crumbling state and get involved at your own local level today, we really can stop this freedom-crushing madness.

But it’s got to start today, and it’s got to start with you.

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Michelle Morin a conservative blogger and speaker for freedom and America’s founding principles. Join her for updates here.

http://www.mom4freedom.com/2013/04/07/colorado-state-patrol-christians-need-to-be-watched-treated-with-caution/?fb_comment_id=fbc_315591445234716_1416887_315591938568000#f747d0307a4498
 

Steve

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this type of news often leads to the type of fundamentalism they warn of..

while I often doubt the honesty of articles such as this..
they keep coming and from multiple sources..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2304739/Army-Reserve-training-material-lists-Catholics-evangelical-Christians-Jews-religious-extremism-category-KKK-Hamas-Al-Qaeda.html

could Obama be that dangerous to freedom?
 

Larrry

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Ya know while Im not from his county I know Ron. One of the most upstanding conscientious men I know. I havent talked to him on this but when ever we meet we always speak. If he tells you something you can take it to the bank
 

Steve

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Larrry said:
Ya know while Im not from his county I know Ron. One of the most upstanding conscientious men I know. I havent talked to him on this but when ever we meet we always speak. If he tells you something you can take it to the bank

we all should be critical of any "news" ,and I try to verify anything i post from several liberal sources.. (cause if they report it,.. the evidence is so overwhelming that even they can't deny it.. )

so far they are keeping the wraps on this,.. but understanding Obama and his radical crews past actions,.. I believe this is happening to some extent at all the departments.

I also feel that knowing the source is another way to judge an article's validity.. thanks for letting us know that you feel this is true..

sadly it being true is a devastating blow to freedom.. and most of US do not want to accept that our government is quickly becoming tyrannical
 

Larrry

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Thanks Steve but don't take my word for it lets see how it plays out. Personally though I will trust Ron. That is the thing about most conservatives they try to double check all sources which is the way to be.
I was telling someone about this and I said you will almost assuredly have different takes out of this meeting Just interview witnesses to a crime and you will get different stories. Much will be the mindset of individuals going into a meeting and preconceived ideas. Then you will have a group like the CSP and they will stand behind their own just like the SO will stand behind their own.
 
I live in the next county over from Ron and in fact have a cattle theft case filed with his agency . I also know and have experience with the institutional mindset of Colorado State Patrol . I had no problem at all believing this even before i talked to some other local officers who were at the same training and they confirmed it .
 

Larrry

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Exactly RR. I called the State csp Regional CSP and the Lamar CSP.
The Lamar office did return my call. He was cordial but I told him I was really troubled by those remarks. He agreed, but dodged the issue and tried to imply that Ron was wrong. I told him the CSP can not afford the negative publicity. Especially when the CSP will tell you they are not obligated to tell you the truth, but the citizen is.
So as if it is a court of law you weigh the credibility of witnesses and Ron wins hands down.
Further when you have Ron who is under Sheriff Faull who is a big advocate for the citizens gun rights. It looks like Prowers County has some real Leadership in their office.
 

Whitewing

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What's the surprise here?

Returning vets are dangerous, Christians are dangerous, even Tea Party members are labeled skin-heads and anarchists by our resident law enforcement expert.

This tripe should come as no surprise to anyone.

America, hell, handbasket.
 

Larrry

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Responding to a report by Prowers County, Colo., Undersheriff Ron Trowbridge that said a training session advocated monitoring Christians who believe the Bible is the literal word of God, Sheriff Jim Faull said in a media release Sunday that the Colorado State Patrol should "suspend" the training "until it can be reevaluated and appropriate changes made."

On Friday, we reported that Trowbridge discussed the training he received in a letter that was posted at Red Statements by Steven H. Ahle.

According to the letter, Colorado State Patrol Trooper Joe Kluczynski gave a 2-hour presentation on the "sovereign citizen" movement.

But Kluczynski went further than the FBI, claiming that the movement includes "those who believe America was founded on godly principles, Christians who take the Bible literally, and 'fundamentalists'."

According to Kluczynski, those individuals and groups are "dangerous" because they are "angry over the election of a black president" and need to be monitored.

Responding to a law enforcement officer who suggested the economy was probably more to blame than the president's race, Kluczynski "intimated that those who are not going along with the changes in America will need to be controlled by law enforcement," Trowbridge added.


In a letter to Examiner, Trowbridge said that Kluczynski "made it clear" his training was based on information from the Department of Homeland Security.

But Sheriff Faull disagreed with Kluczynski.

"The first amendment gives us freedom of religion plus other fundamental rights," he said in his written statement.

"When an instructor with a state law enforcement agency is teaching their own employees and other law enforcement agencies that bible believing citizens and those that do not agree with current political trends are dangerous and should be under the scrutiny of law enforcement, then that agency needs to make some fundamental changes with that particular course," Faull said.

"Being one of those who take the Bible literally," Trowbridge wrote, "I can tell you we (Christians), are to be in submission to those in authority over us."

Trowbridge added that he was not seeking attention with his original letter, and said the attention he has received since has been "a little frightening."

"However," he said, "there comes a time when we have to make a stand for what is right and true."

"Had Trooper Kluczynski said those things and said they were his opinion, I might have argued with him but he has a right to his opinion just as I do," he added.

But Trowbridge wrote he found it "very frightening" that Kluczynski said his training was based on DHS information.

"Because of that," he said, "I believe it is time to do what is right and that is why I submitted my letter."

http://www.examiner.com/article/colo-sheriff-csp-should-suspend-course-that-calls-for-monitoring-of-christians
 

hypocritexposer

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different time, Larry.

What weight do oaths carry now, post obama?...none.

both Hitler and Stalin...the leftists they were, did the same to those that had a "faith".

Like I've said many times, I'm not religious, but I respect those that have their faith, and I have seen this coming for quite some time. I have no use for those that are bigoted towards those that have their beliefs, because historically, it has led to one thing.

We are now seeing it again.
 
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Fox's Asman ignores findings by Bush FBI in slamming Obama for report on extremists recruiting vets

April 14, 2009 7:37 PM EDT ››› MATT GERTZ


David Asman stated of the DHS report on right-wing extremist groups' recruiting of veterans, "I'm wondering if all this isn't just a desire on part of the administration to shut up its critics." But Asman didn't note that the DHS cited an FBI report authored under President Bush that previously identified this pattern.







During the April 14 edition of Fox News' Your World, guest host David Asman repeatedly criticized the Obama administration over the conclusion by the Department of Homeland Security's Office of Intelligence and Analysis that "rightwing extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize returning veterans in order to exploit their skills and knowledge derived from military training and combat." Asman stated that he thought the report "was insulting, what it was implying about veterans because it focuses attention on a very small minority of people within the veteran community" and that he was "wondering if all this isn't just a desire on part of the administration to shut up its critics, wherever they are." But at no point during the segment did Asman note that as evidence for its conclusion, the DHS cited a 2008 FBI report -- authored during the Bush administration -- that stated, in the words of the DHS, that "some returning military veterans from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have joined extremist groups."
In the July 2008 report, titled "White Supremacist Recruitment of Military Personnel since 9/11," the FBI's Counterterrorism Division found with "[h]igh confidence" that "[m]ilitary experience is found throughout the white supremacist extremist movement as the result of recruitment campaigns by extremist groups and self-recruitment by veterans sympathetic to white supremacist causes." The FBI further found with "moderate confidence":

◾ (U//FOUO) Although individuals with military backgrounds constitute a small percentage of white supremacist extremists, they frequently occupy leadership roles within extremist groups and their involvement has the potential to reinvigorate an extremist movement suffering from loss of leadership and in-fighting during the post-9/11 period.
◾ (U//FOUO) White supremacist extremists hope to revitalize the white supremacist movement by exploiting antigovernment sentiment among opponents of the overseas conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan. Although some veterans of these conflicts have joined the extremist movement, they have not done so in numbers sufficient to stem declines among major national extremist organizations, nor has their participation resulted in a more violent extremist movement.
◾(U//FOUO) Looking ahead, current and former military personnel belonging to white supremacist extremist organizations who experience frustration at the inability of these organizations to achieve their goals may choose to found new, more operationally minded and operationally capable groups. The military training veterans bring to the movement and their potential to pass this training on to others can increase the ability of lone offenders to carry out violence from the movement's fringes.

The report further stated: "A review of FBI white supremacist extremist cases from October 2001 to May 2008 identified 203 individuals with confirmed or claimed military service active in the extremist movement at some time during the reporting period." It also stated: "According to FBI information, an estimated 19 veterans (approximately 9 percent of the 203) have verified or unverified service in the ongoing wars in Iraq and Afghanistan."

In a July 16, 2008, post to MSNBC.com's Deep Background investigative blog, NBC News senior investigative producer Jim Popkin reported on the FBI report, writing:


White-supremacist groups have recruited 203 people who served in the U.S. military or who claim to have U.S. military backgrounds, according to a new report by the FBI. The unclassified FBI Intelligence Assessment, issued last week and obtained by NBC News, cautions that white-power extremists are trying hard to recruit active-duty soldiers and recent veterans of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

During the Your World segment, Asman said that the report's statement that "[a]fter Operation Desert Shield/Storm in 1990-1991, some returning military veterans -- including [Oklahoma City bomber] Timothy McVeigh -- joined or associated with rightwing extremist groups" was "like saying, 'Watch out for all doctors because Jack the Ripper might have been a doctor.' " He later added: "I'm wondering how somebody could have read this through -- these reports are written, and then they're read through by somebody to check their -- you know, whether they'll create a political stir. Who could have passed this on? I mean, who could have read this and not thought it would stir people up?"

From the DHS report, titled "Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment":


(U) Disgruntled Military Veterans

(U//FOUO) DHS/I&A assesses that rightwing extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize returning veterans in order to exploit their skills and knowledge derived from military training and combat. These skills and knowledge have the potential to boost the capabilities of extremists -- including lone wolves or small terrorist cells -- to carry out violence. The willingness of a small percentage of military personnel to join extremist groups during the 1990s because they were disgruntled, disillusioned, or suffering from the psychological effects of war is being replicated today.


-- (U) After Operation Desert Shield/Storm in 1990-1991, some returning military veterans -- including Timothy McVeigh -- joined or associated with rightwing extremist groups.

-- (U) A prominent civil rights organization reported in 2006 that "large numbers of potentially violent neo-Nazis, skinheads, and other white supremacists are now learning the art of warfare in the [U.S.] armed forces."

-- (U//LES) The FBI noted in a 2008 report on the white supremacist movement that some returning military veterans from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have joined extremist groups.

This issue and these reports are nothing new-- and definitely not limited to the Obama Administration...
As this article shows- they were watchdogging certain disgruntled veterans back in even GHW days.. In all the 30 years of law enforcement- I saw reports laying out extremist groups that could be a danger to government or citizens...
Up in our area we even had meetings back and forth with Canadian authorities to exchange info on these groups....
 

hypocritexposer

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Oldtimer said:
This issue and these reports are nothing new-- and definitely not limited to the Obama Administration...
As this article shows- they were watchdogging certain disgruntled veterans back in even GHW days.. In all the 30 years of law enforcement- I saw reports laying out extremist groups that could be a danger to government or citizens...
Up in our area we even had meetings back and forth with Canadian authorities to exchange info on these groups....


You should know the numbers on the propability of certain demograghics comitting violent crimes then, correct? Or even the historical numbers?

Why not let us know what the probabilty of a vet or Christian comitting a violent crime is compared to other groups.

I will post the FBI numbers tomorrow, if you don't.

Let's just say that LE could better utilize their time and efforts watching other "groups"
 

Whitewing

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Oldtimer said:
In all the 30 years of law enforcement- I saw reports laying out extremist groups that could be a danger to government or citizens...

Back in the good old days government was citizens.
 

hypocritexposer

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Maybe the government could legalize and tax drugs, so they wouldn't have to spend as much time chasing down tax evaders and chase those true criminals, the "bible thumpers".

:lol:
 

Steve

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have recruited 203 people who served in the U.S. military or who claim to have U.S. military backgrounds

203... statistically the number would be a 0

just in Montana you have over a 100,000 vets..

so 203 would be about .2%

and of the 22 + million of US is about .0009227% give or take a decimal point or two..

is that really worth the scrutiny on all the rest of the other 22 million.. ?

seems like a huge waste of resources..
 

hypocritexposer

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Steve said:
have recruited 203 people who served in the U.S. military or who claim to have U.S. military backgrounds

203... statistically the number would be a 0

just in Montana you have over a 100,000 vets..

so 203 would be about .2%

and of the 22 + million of US is about .0009227% give or take a decimal point or two..

is that really worth the scrutiny on all the rest of the other 22 million.. ?

seems like a huge waste of resources..

Progressives like OT love science and math, unlike you conservatives, that deny science. I'm sure he'll get back to you with some statistics, figures and such, in short order. Not like the emotions, you tend to deal in.

:lol: :lol:
 
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