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Comin' Home from Summer Range

Triangle Bar

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Easiest time I've ever had gatherin', cows were all bunched up in the fence corner. All I had to do was open the gate and they started headin' down the creek.
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Stopped for a water break and bite of grass...
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That large grove a trees in the distance is the "old homestead"
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per

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Heck of a good set of calves. That hard grass works for those cattle. Is that ever harsh looking country.
 

Shortgrass

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I'm not the only fan of Chars. We'll have to stick together. They are the right kind of calves to suit me, but then I ain't buyin either. We raise as good a calves as any breed, & better than some, but we have not done the job marketing as the Angus Assn has. Hats off. Where are our lean healthy beef ads? When an animal can get a CAB premium because the hide you pulled off was black, their Association is doing their job. I really thought the industry had got past that, but it is as color blind for Black as it used to be for Herfords. Boy, now that will bring on some replies. There are some awfully good Black cattle, but there are a lot of heifers that were inferior to a red herd mate, but had a home anyway. There are Charolais, and there are just white cattle too. There is as much difference within a breed as there is between breeds.
 

BlackCattleRancher

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Nice Pics, that is some tough country. Around here we'd get those cows a bucket of corn and an extra flake of hay, but I bet they just keep truckin out there.
 

Triangle Bar

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Soapweed said:
Nice pictures. Those Charolais calves can sure pack on a lot of pounds. How far did you trail them?

From where we started out it was right at 6 miles. But it was mostly downhill. :)

Shortgrass you are sure right, the black cow hided folks have sure done a better job of marketing and pushing their genetics. Charolais are a consistent breed when it comes to quality. The annual bulls on feed trials consistently show Chars at the top or solidly in the top 5 among different breeds, when it comes to Average Daily Gain & Carcass Quality.

Thanks to all for the compliments
 

Soapweed

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jkvikefan said:
I have often thought that the two biggest scams on the American public are "angus" beef and antibacterial soap!!!

Don't forget "change" only for the sake of change. :wink:
 

WyomingRancher

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jkvikefan said:
I have often thought that the two biggest scams on the American public are "angus" beef and antibacterial soap!!!

Nice pictures! Your cattle look good :D .

When I went to Taiwan last year, the people knew all about "Angus beef" too :) . Very powerful marketing worlwide!
 

Shortgrass

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Soapweed said:
jkvikefan said:
I have often thought that the two biggest scams on the American public are "angus" beef and antibacterial soap!!!

Don't forget "change" only for the sake of change. :wink:

There is a "dupe" that scares me to death in the not too distant future.
 

Soapweed

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Shortgrass said:
Soapweed said:
jkvikefan said:
I have often thought that the two biggest scams on the American public are "angus" beef and antibacterial soap!!!

Don't forget "change" only for the sake of change. :wink:

There is a "dupe" that scares me to death in the not too distant future.

Duped by a dope will be hard to swallow. It's still not too late folks. :wink:
 

High Plains

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Shortgrass said:
When an animal can get a CAB premium because the hide you pulled off was black, their Association is doing their job.

Not the case, come on now Shortgrass. Couple of points to help you out with your black-hided aggravation.

1. CAB is about carcass quality. Yes, the cattle have to be black to begin with, but they have to have the carcass quality. Only about 17% of the black-hided cattle make the program. CAB is not the same as all of this generic Angus rip-off marketing that you see at places like Burger King or Hardee's. People are buying quality meat when they buy CAB. That quality is in the form of marbling, just below USDA Prime.

2. If the Charolais Association started a meat marketing program (which they are free to do), would they allow black or red cattle into that program? Doubtful. The Charolais board would probably say that, without registration papers or DNA, the only way to know if it's a Charolais calf is if the hide color was white, smokey or buckskin. Don't you think? This is the thought process that the Angus folks were using in the 1970's when they started CAB and there were pretty-much no other black cattle besides Angus in the U.S., at least none that were prevalent at the time. The hide color was unique to the breed. The black Limo's, Simmy's, Gelbviehs, Salers all came on board much later.

3. I really like Charolais cattle and I think that the breed has some great traits that are tremendous for our industry. So please do keep raising those cattle and I will keep admiring them.

My best to you!

HP
 

CattleArmy

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Nice pictures.

I come from a long line of angus producers. We have had some angus/charlaios cross calves and they weigh so heavy. They have been a product of neighbor bulls jumping the fence.

One of the young ones here loves the Char cattle and that's what her's are. This year even had one for her 4-H.

4-H Bucket calf enjoying some dog food this past summer.

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Big Muddy rancher

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CattleArmy said:
Nice pictures.

I come from a long line of angus producers. We have had some angus/charlaios cross calves and they weigh so heavy. They have been a product of neighbor bulls jumping the fence.

One of the young ones here loves the Char cattle and that's what her's are. This year even had one for her 4-H.

4-H Bucket calf enjoying some dog food this past summer.

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CA did you know that cattle eating dog food was one theory on how BSE got into some cattle? Some dog food now and most in the past contained ruminant protien.
 

OldDog/NewTricks

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The Angus Association Started Aggressively Promoting the Breed in the 50's and it took other Breed until in the late 60's to get started and the not that Aggressively.
 

Shortgrass

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High Plains said:
Shortgrass said:
When an animal can get a CAB premium because the hide you pulled off was black, their Association is doing their job.

Not the case, come on now Shortgrass. Couple of points to help you out with your black-hided aggravation.

1. CAB is about carcass quality. Yes, the cattle have to be black to begin with, but they have to have the carcass quality. Only about 17% of the black-hided cattle make the program. CAB is not the same as all of this generic Angus rip-off marketing that you see at places like Burger King or Hardee's. People are buying quality meat when they buy CAB. That quality is in the form of marbling, just below USDA Prime.

2. If the Charolais Association started a meat marketing program (which they are free to do), would they allow black or red cattle into that program? Doubtful. The Charolais board would probably say that, without registration papers or DNA, the only way to know if it's a Charolais calf is if the hide color was white, smokey or buckskin. Don't you think? This is the thought process that the Angus folks were using in the 1970's when they started CAB and there were pretty-much no other black cattle besides Angus in the U.S., at least none that were prevalent at the time. The hide color was unique to the breed. The black Limo's, Simmy's, Gelbviehs, Salers all came on board much later.

3. I really like Charolais cattle and I think that the breed has some great traits that are tremendous for our industry. So please do keep raising those cattle and I will keep admiring them.

My best to you!

HP

I really know little about the funding of the CAB premium. If you don't know what yer talkin' about, I guess you ought not be talkin', had you? If it is Assn funded, it ought to be Assn ruled (the golden rule is he who has the gold gets to make the rules). I was meaning that many other carcasses of any color might be equal or better, but no be paid a premium. I think that color has no significant effect on carcass quality. Certainly the Charolais Association is way behind in aggressive marketing. The Angus Assn is way out front.

I also like a lot of black cattle. A lot of Chars, I do not like. My beef is the number of people who cannot see quality for the color. Right now the color happens to be black. I am a firm believer that if your program works for you, hang in there! If you pay Angus Assn dues, you are gettin your monies worth.

Good reply.
 

CattleArmy

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Big Muddy rancher said:
CattleArmy said:
Nice pictures.

I come from a long line of angus producers. We have had some angus/charlaios cross calves and they weigh so heavy. They have been a product of neighbor bulls jumping the fence.

One of the young ones here loves the Char cattle and that's what her's are. This year even had one for her 4-H.

4-H Bucket calf enjoying some dog food this past summer.

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CA did you know that cattle eating dog food was one theory on how BSE got into some cattle? Some dog food now and most in the past contained ruminant protien.

Nope I had no idea. She wasn't supposed to eat it she just got on the yard one day and loved it. From that day on we had to make sure the yard gate was shut or she'd come running when my Dad fed the dogs and that irritated my Dad to no end!

Don't worry about a BSE outbreak here she passed away two months later from to much creep feed and water taken on. :cry2: :cry2: :cry2:
 

High Plains

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Shortgrass,

I think we pretty much see the whole topic the same. Good cattle are good cattle and the same goes for carcasses. That's kind of the bottom line, isn't it?

Rest assured, a red, white or other-colored animal can get pretty much the same premium from the packer. Cargill has their Sterling Silver brand and JBS Swift has Swift Premium Classic, I think. Same carcass quality as CAB and a premium to boot.

Good bantering back and forth with you. Take care.

HP
 
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