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Comments on a public forum re Cruz/Trump

Faster horses

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I thought this was well worth sharing. I do not know the author.

I find it extremely ironic that Trumpkins insist on calling Cruz "Lying Ted" when Trump has been dishonest this entire campaign. It really discredits the argument of the Trumpbot.

Cruz has been a lawyer - which isn't always an honorable profession. But, his career is pretty spectacular.

Cruz has argued in front of the Supreme Court more than any other practicing lawyer.

He defended OUR 2nd amendment rights before the highest court in the land...ever hear of DC v Heller? You know the SCOTUS ruling affirming the right of the individual to firearms? He wrote one of the key briefs in that case - the signed on to by 31 states. You're welcome.

Your assertion that he's less accomplished than Trump simply because he wasn't born with a silver spoon up his butt, given the Presidency of a Billion dollar company his dad built, and hasn't spent the last decade making an a$$ of himself on national television is ludicrous.

Secondly - Trump got Daddy's company in 1974 (not when he died) - that's the $200 million and Billion dollar company I was referring to.

Thirdly - the million dollar loan, lets assume that happened 5 years before "self-made Trump" got his Daddy's company

in 1969....that's still the equivalent of a $6.5 million dollar family loan..hardly self-made.

Nice to see you are glossing over the many bankruptcies, failed business ventures, and other issues.

This man with the "huge" resume can't even answer a question about abortion correctly - even with TWO do-overs.

Finally - sorry, did you actually try and paint Trump as a champion of the working class simply because he employs a lot of them?

The same Donald Trump that brings in illegals to work at his resort?

The same Donald Trump who tried to have an elderly lady thrown out of her home so he could build a parking garage for one of his failed casinos?

The same Donald Trump being sued for running the whole "Trump University" scam?

You can glorify the man as much as you want - but, he's going to have a hard time winning the election because he's a terrible candidate and an even worse human being.
 

Nesikep

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I agree wholehearTEDly... sorry for the pun.

What I heard is if he had just invested the money he inherited in a mutual fund he'd have a far greater net worth.

I just don't like his attitude.
 

backhoeboogie

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Nesikep said:
I agree wholehearTEDly... sorry for the pun.

What I heard is if he had just invested the money he inherited in a mutual fund he'd have a far greater net worth.

I just don't like his attitude.

The last two elections we had a choice between a liberal and a liberal. Trump is way better than what we have now.
 

Faster horses

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backhoeboogie said:
Nesikep said:
I agree wholehearTEDly... sorry for the pun.

What I heard is if he had just invested the money he inherited in a mutual fund he'd have a far greater net worth.

I just don't like his attitude.

The last two elections we had a choice between a liberal and a liberal. Trump is way better than what we have now.

You don't think Trump is a liberal? Guess again. Who has he given money to in the past?
The best indication of future behavior is past behavior.
 

Nesikep

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I just watched Bill Maher on youtube "Self esteem movement" (something I've long had issues with)... He said "Trump doesn't really want to be president.. he wants to be CALLED president.. I can't help but think that's pretty accurate.
 

Steve

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a person's actions often speak louder then his words... in the case of trump,.. it may be hard to believe. but Trump hasn't done a hell of alot of "conservative" things in his life.
 

W.T

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The republican party has blown another chance to gain the white house. I for one have never Voted for a democrat candidate. And today am strongly considering doing so. Constant bickering like two yr olds has reduced there credibility to a insignificant status. Romney, McCain and Cruz or Trump are poor choices . A constant dialogue of anti planned parent hood, has given the impression that they have lost there way... America has voted the three worst presidents in American history in office as the last three presidents. Clinton was impeached, Bush was ineffective, and Obama is the weakest President we have ever had. I for one think it all starts and ends with trade and closing our borders, but there are too many palms getting greased to ever do anything about either one. Trump is the only candidate that has identified the issue of ridiculous trade negotiations...The rest are to eager to get there palms greased including Ted Cruz. We have a corrupt system on both sides of the isle. And whom ever is elected will just kick the can down the road a little more.
 

backhoeboogie

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Faster horses said:
backhoeboogie said:
Nesikep said:
I agree wholehearTEDly... sorry for the pun.

What I heard is if he had just invested the money he inherited in a mutual fund he'd have a far greater net worth.

I just don't like his attitude.

The last two elections we had a choice between a liberal and a liberal. Trump is way better than what we have now.

You don't think Trump is a liberal? Guess again. Who has he given money to in the past?
The best indication of future behavior is past behavior.

That's not what I said. They're all too liberal for me. Trump beats Obama hands down. So does Cruz etc.
 

iwannabeacowboy

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W.T said:
The republican party has blown another chance to gain the white house. I for one have never Voted for a democrat candidate. And today am strongly considering doing so. Constant bickering like two yr olds has reduced there credibility to a insignificant status. Romney, McCain and Cruz or Trump are poor choices . A constant dialogue of anti planned parent hood, has given the impression that they have lost there way... America has voted the three worst presidents in American history in office as the last three presidents. Clinton was impeached, Bush was ineffective, and Obama is the weakest President we have ever had. I for one think it all starts and ends with trade and closing our borders, but there are too many palms getting greased to ever do anything about either one. Trump is the only candidate that has identified the issue of ridiculous trade negotiations...The rest are to eager to get there palms greased including Ted Cruz. We have a corrupt system on both sides of the isle. And whom ever is elected will just kick the can down the road a little more.

Cruz is the closest thing we've seen to a constitutional candidate in over 25 years. Where is all this evidence against Cruz?

Trump doesn't understand the first thing about trade negotiations. He can't negotiate the republican primary system by hiring people that know what they are suppose to be doing, and we are suppose to trust him to hire better people for the country? Notice he says that he'll hire people to do it, he doesn't claim to have the answers himself. Because he doesn't understand conservatism and free market. Hell his own kids aren't conservatives. They can't even vote for the guy because they weren't registered as conservatives in their own state to vote.

If you seriously contemplate voting for Killary or Sanders, I hope you are willing to look your kids or grandkids in the eye and tell them you were willing to piss their future away. Because that is exactly what that vote is. And it pisses me off that even if you don't care enough about your kids, I care enough about mine to say something.

Every individual that is willing to continue into socialism should be shipped first class to China, Russia or North Korea to stay so they can experience the sharp contrast between the free world and world they desire.
 

iwannabeacowboy

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backhoeboogie said:
That's not what I said. They're all too liberal for me. Trump beats Obama hands down. So does Cruz etc.

I'm afraid Trump is Obama. Neither understand the Constitution and think they can willy nilly make laws without congress. What good is repeal and replace if you are just going to continue with another unconstitutional government controlled health care bill. No industry should be ran by the government- period.

Progressives come in two flavors. Constitutionalists only come in one. Trump is no Constitutionalist.
 

Nesikep

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iwannabeacowboy said:
I'm afraid Trump is Obama. Neither understand the Constitution and think they can willy nilly make laws without congress.
Very well said!

If you get all worked up about the sheer number of executive orders Obama has enacted, I think it would be delusional to expect anything less than Trump one-upping him on that...
 

W.T

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iwannabeacowboy said:
W.T said:
The republican party has blown another chance to gain the white house. I for one have never Voted for a democrat candidate. And today am strongly considering doing so. Constant bickering like two yr olds has reduced there credibility to a insignificant status. Romney, McCain and Cruz or Trump are poor choices . A constant dialogue of anti planned parent hood, has given the impression that they have lost there way... America has voted the three worst presidents in American history in office as the last three presidents. Clinton was impeached, Bush was ineffective, and Obama is the weakest President we have ever had. I for one think it all starts and ends with trade and closing our borders, but there are too many palms getting greased to ever do anything about either one. Trump is the only candidate that has identified the issue of ridiculous trade negotiations...The rest are to eager to get there palms greased including Ted Cruz. We have a corrupt system on both sides of the isle. And whom ever is elected will just kick the can down the road a little more.

Cruz is the closest thing we've seen to a constitutional candidate in over 25 years. Where is all this evidence against Cruz?

Trump doesn't understand the first thing about trade negotiations. He can't negotiate the republican primary system by hiring people that know what they are suppose to be doing, and we are suppose to trust him to hire better people for the country? Notice he says that he'll hire people to do it, he doesn't claim to have the answers himself. Because he doesn't understand conservatism and free market. Hell his own kids aren't conservatives. They can't even vote for the guy because they weren't registered as conservatives in their own state to vote.

If you seriously contemplate voting for Killary or Sanders, I hope you are willing to look your kids or grandkids in the eye and tell them you were willing to p*** their future away. Because that is exactly what that vote is. And it p***** me off that even if you don't care enough about your kids, I care enough about mine to say something.

Every individual that is willing to continue into socialism should be shipped first class to China, Russia or North Korea to stay so they can experience the sharp contrast between the free world and world they desire.


Outstanding I enjoy a passionate response. Cruz has done nothing, trump has done nothing, Sanders has done nothing, Clinton should be in jail, and because the other three have done nothing along with the entire senate and congress, she is running for the president of the united states of America... I am glad that your pissed off, you should be!!! I have wrote every Senator and Congressmen from my state and expressed my disdain for there lack of action. I am Pissed off, we should all be pissed off that The five 2016 presidential candidates are all terrible. Put there pictures on a dart board and throw a dart, and that will be the difference in any of them. Cruz is nothing more than a smooth talker, Trump is missing a light or two, And Sanders is still high from Woodstock. And Hillary should be in a orange jump suit facing a firing squad... So be pissed off, you should be.
 

Traveler

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Faster horses said:
Cruz has done nothing, you say? I beg to differ with you. It will take me a bit and I have someone coming to do it now, but wait--I will list for you what Cruz has done for the country.
Ted Cruz's Bio. I personally think his and Trump's accomplishments are nothing to sneeze at.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Cruz
 

iwannabeacowboy

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Traveler said:
Faster horses said:
Cruz has done nothing, you say? I beg to differ with you. It will take me a bit and I have someone coming to do it now, but wait--I will list for you what Cruz has done for the country.
Ted Cruz's Bio. I personally think his and Trump's accomplishments are nothing to sneeze at.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Cruz

Difference is that one believes that the President doesn't wield unchecked power and believes in the rule of law. The other thinks the President can unilaterally make laws.

One believes in government ran health care- that isn't conservative/constitutional.
 

iwannabeacowboy

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W.T. I'd like to hear what you want Cruz exactly to do? What do you think this country needs in a President?

Government isn't going to fix a single thing. The absolutely best thing that a President can do is reign in the excessive regulations and red tape, decrease the size of the federal government and let businesses start being businesses again. Let people keep their money and decide what is best for themselves. In other words, understand and follow the constitution. There won't be a parade for the person. They won't be able to stand up on some podium and tell how they robbed from the masses to give to a select few for birth control, abortions, free health care while sticking to working smuck, a cabinet full of snickers and soda pop. Or how they disarmed the law abiding citizens to make them easier targets for the thugs.


If you can't see the difference between Hillary, Trump, Sanders and Cruz then I'll be glad to start explaining.
 

W.T

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Cruz is a Junior senator from Texas... I remember the last junior senator that we elected president. And that one hasn't worked out so well. Cruz's 15% tax rate is just another tax on middle class American's. And it simply wont work.... Just how many of you can afford 15% off the top of your gross!!!!! The gas tax is not going away, property tax is not going away, and there is no tax imposed on Americans today that is going away... We need our borders closed, we need a wall and the Mexicans can pay for it directly or indirectly, I don't care how they pay for it. if the election was held today I would vote Trump... As it is high time we got rid of the crooked politicians and went with someone that actually has paid a bill with his own money... NAFTA, TPP,WTO They all need to be broken agreements. As these treaties do nothing but screw Americans. Its time for the republican party to dissolve, as they have not listened to voters for years.. There candidates this year were pathetic, Walker, Bush, Graham , Huckabee, Santorum, Cruz, Christie, and the list of idiots goes on and on... America is in real trouble when these are our choices. We need business leaders that will stand up to the rest of the world and tell them to FO... We can no longer afford to have some political smuck that owes some lobbyist a favor run this country, that has gone on way to long and is why we are in the mess that we are in. The United nations is a travesty and we should get out of it ASAP...We fund it and we cower down and listen to what our advisory's tell us to do..... Yes we need a business man as president and no more political smucks....... Trump is not my first choice.... Mine would be Mark Cuban.
 

iwannabeacowboy

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Wrong. Please site where this 15% is stated anywhere and where it involves gross taxes. The comments section by trumpbots in a trump puff piece doesn't count.


Under the Simple Flat Tax, the current seven rates of personal income tax will collapse into a single low rate of 10 percent. For a family of four, the first $36,000 will be tax-free. The Child Tax Credit will remain in place, and the Simple Flat Tax Plan expands and modernizes the Earned Income Tax Credit with greater anti-fraud and pro-marriage reforms. As a result, the Simple Flat Tax will ensure that low- and middle-income Americans have greater opportunities – not only through minimal taxes, but also through better, high-paying jobs that the Simple Flat Tax will generate. Under the plan, deductions for charitable contributions and mortgage interest payments are preserved.


So which is it, do you want an outsider to clean up washington or not? You start out by trying to discredit Cruz by calling him a Junior sentator- that means he hasn't been in Congress his entire life.... in other words, he's an outsider. Except with more experience and understanding of the functions of government and the Constitution than the progressive you keep touting.

You want to clean up Washington by electing a individual that has admitted to bribing elected officials for his entire life? That is cleaning up Washington? Just changing the position of the corrupt parties? :roll: :lol: :roll: :lol: :roll: :lol:

Let's see on the whole paying bills thing.... he often doesn't and then uses the excessive cost of litigation to cheat contractors and real estate agents out of money he legally and honestly owes them. Yep, that's a real winner you have there W.T. He willingly admits it.

You might try backing someone with integrity and and understanding of the Constitution. You said it already, you are willing to join the socialists/progresssives. With a vote for Donald, you are. Just jump full force and kiss Bernie's ass. You obviously don't understand a thing about rule of law, the Constitution or what following the rule of law means. A wall is only good if the rule of law on immigration is followed. If the rule of law was followed now, there wouldn't be this mess.


Oh, by the way..... why pretend to care about the BLM land grabbing and stand off when you so willingly support Deceiving Donny. He sure doesn't.

FBI agents arrested Jerry DeLemus, co-chair of Veterans for Trump in New Hampshire, on Thursday following his indictment in connection with the 2014 Bundy Ranch standoff in Nevada, the New Hampshire Union Leader reported.

The event resurfaced in headlines this year when Bundy's sons, Ammon and Ryan Bundy, organized a standoff of their own at a federal wildlife refuge in rural Oregon. DeLemus traveled to Oregon to visit their occupation and called their cause "peaceful" and "constitutionally just."

DeLemus told Reuters at the time that he wanted to tell Trump "the whole story” of the Oregon occupation, adding that he expected the story would "arouse" the real estate mogul and inspire him to head West. The standoff lasted for 41 days and resulted in several arrests and the death of one militant in a confrontation with police. Trump never visited the refuge, but did say that he would have acted to end the standoff because “you cannot let people take over federal property."

There's your tough, anti-establishment big boy Trump. Let his campaign manager slip away quietly in hand cuffs without as much as a peep. Congratulations, you found your candidate!
 

iwannabeacowboy

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By the way, when trump was asked to name his top national security advisors.... first on the list was Richard Haass, who just happens to be the president of the Council on Foreign Relations. Again, real outside stuff right there.

Quit reading headline and actually look into this stuff.
 
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