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Concealed weapons at school.

CattleArmy

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Regional News
Neb. senators consider letting teachers carry guns
Published Wednesday, February 16, 2011 at 05:36 AM
LINCOLN, Neb. (AP) _ Nebraska lawmakers will evaluate whether allowing teachers and other school officials to carry guns is a good idea in the wake of last month's fatal shooting at an Omaha high school. Sen. Mark Christensen of Imperial introduced the bill (LB516) after the shooting at Millard South High School. On Jan. 5, 17-year-old Robert Butler Jr. used his police detective father's handgun to fatally wound assistant principal Vicki Kaspar and injure principal Curtis Case. The bill would allow certain school staff to carry guns if they obtained state concealed weapons permits and the local school board approved. The bill would require support from two-thirds of the school's governing board. Also, students and their parents or guardians would have to receive written notice of the school's concealed handgun policy.


http://www.kneb.com/news/index/b2d90bf5-cd95-4188-a17c-6de492e9abd2
 

loomixguy

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That might put a damper on the horse manure some of these kids are pulling at school.


During 8th grade English or 11th grade Speech class Mrs. Fritz didn't need a handgun to protect herself, students, or school property. All she needed was a piece of chalk, an eraser, or a book.....in either hand. Deadly accurate and a force to be reckoned with...... :wink: :shock:
 

Larrry

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I have the perfect answer that I'll bet no one thought of.

Make a law that criminals not carry a gun. Now wasn't that easy?
 

Tam

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loomixguy said:
That might put a damper on the horse manure some of these kids are pulling at school.


During 8th grade English or 11th grade Speech class Mrs. Fritz didn't need a handgun to protect herself, students, or school property. All she needed was a piece of chalk, an eraser, or a book.....in either hand. Deadly accurate and a force to be reckoned with...... :wink: :shock:

We had a science teacher that was good with his erasers :wink: When class let out everyone in the school including other teachers knew who was not paying attention during his class as he would walk to the back of the room and fire his caulked up eraser hitting the back of any kid that was causing a problem. The trouble maker was marked for the rest of the school day. And more importantly the parents also knew what the mark meant and most told the kid to stop acting up and pay attention if they didn't like being marked.

Something needs to be done to give the teachers the ability to control the enviroment within our schools or things are going to continue to spiral out of control. Parents of trouble makers/bullies need to realize that they are not doing their kids any favors by protecting their kids actions by limiting teachers abilities to control them. As those that seem to be coming to schools with guns are those the BULLIES TARGET and they are looking for revenge. By not allowing or supporting the teachers attempts to correct their students behavior when they see a problem, School boards and parents are putting everyone at risk. :x
 

Steve

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the problems has many different causes.. and most of those causes result in a lack of respect for adults and teachers

but this is the root of the problem,, . and I might have missed a few steps..

a parent takes the "it's not my little angel :twisted: " attitude.

which is often followed by a parent forgetting it is their responsibility to actually raise the little angel :twisted: ,

then the parent takes on the school when the teacher steps up and deals with the little angel :twisted: .

and that is usually followed by a lawyer, retained by the parent of the little angel :twisted: making the teachers, school administration and board's lives a living hell..

then the courts often have to step in this is in two stages.. first they reaffirm it was the parents right to raise the little angel :twisted: (often forgetting the responsibility part)

and then by the time all hell breaks loose and the :twisted: ------- :twisted: demon is making the parents life hell and has been back to court several times. (second stage of the courts involvement)

the parents then often wondered what went wrong with that sweet little angel they cared so much for and protected from the bad world .. ( a question most of their friends are to polite to really answer)

at this point the parents are often given a second chance with a grandchild to raise as the :twisted: ------ :twisted: demon serves out a third prison term..

and they are so happy with the new even more darling little angel :twisted: .. :?
 

Larrry

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A big part of the problem is that the government has taken over so much of the parenting aspect.

Just look at welfare, no daddy..the government is the breadwinner
 

Tam

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CattleArmy said:
In my opinion where we've went wrong as a society is when it was acceptable for kids not to respect adults.

Where we went wrong was when we allowed people like Oprah to tell us how to raise our children. :roll: When you have somebody with absolutely no experience of actually being a parent, telling everyone that it is child abuse to smack your kid on the bottom for misbehaving and making children believe they can sue their parents if their dare make them behave like human beings and not spoil brats, you have a big problem in the making. I don't believe you should beat your children but a smack on the backside of a misbehaving child is not CHILD ABUSE. :mad:
 

okfarmer

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Personal responsibility, Respect for life, and taking corporal punishment out of the classroom has hastened the down fall of the school environment.

Spanking was suppose to be outlawed in our school, but FFA teachers didn't get the memo in their class. There were a few trouble makers that expelling them or having detention or whatever punishment that was designed to not hurt their self esteem in other classes meant nothing. Actually, made them cooler because they weren't scared.

However, when their self esteem was set back a little- their attitude improved immensely. It is tough to keep a tough guy attitude when a grown man calls you out and then you have to walk back in front of everyone red faced and crying.

I think it did a couple of things:
1. everyone new the law of land would be upheld. Limiting inappropriate behavior of many types including bullying.
2. it set a hierarchy with the teacher having the power and students being submissive as they should.
3. if you appreciated your hind end, you learned to be personally responsible for keeping it pain free.

It only took about one event a year.
 

TSR

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Some very good posts. Every school needs an alternative setting for students that misbehave, denying other students the opportunity to learn. The alternative setting should be large enough so there aren't any waiting lists. It is still a state law in TN that a student can be paddled. But the law has been trumped by parents who threaten to sue and lawyers looking to make a name and some money. If a student does something that warrants a paddling,then the paddling, if refused, (you can't wrestle with a student) should result,in the least, with a seating in a cubicle in the alternative school or expulsion, depending on the misbehavior.
 

CattleArmy

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Regional News
Neb. educators oppose guns in school
Published Wednesday, February 16, 2011 at 07:19 PM

Sen. ChristensenLINCOLN, Neb. (AP) _ Numerous education and law enforcement groups oppose a Nebraska bill that would allow teachers and other school officials to carry guns. The measure (LB516) Sen. Mark Christensen of Imperial introduced after last month's fatal shooting at an Omaha high school.

The Nebraska Association of School Boards, the Nebraska State Education Association, the University of Nebraska-Lincoln's police chief and an association of private colleges in the state all told lawmakers the proposal is a bad idea.

Christensen says he proposed the law to prompt discussion about the best way to protect students and teachers. He still thinks his bill might be a good option for rural schools that may be miles away from police.

The Legislature's Judiciary Committee did not act on the bill after Wednesday's hearing.

http://www.kneb.com/news/index/e4b89fed-3361-4a5e-b6d9-102fcd2ec093
 

Larrry

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A criminal decides to shoot up a school. Does he choose school A or
school B

School A has inhabitants who are armed and prepared to defend their god given right to defend themselves

School B whose unarmed occupants are at the mercy of any crazed lunatic that wants to take the life of your child


Which school does the criminal choose
 

Tam

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TSR said:
Some very good posts. Every school needs an alternative setting for students that misbehave, denying other students the opportunity to learn. The alternative setting should be large enough so there aren't any waiting lists. It is still a state law in TN that a student can be paddled. But the law has been trumped by parents who threaten to sue and lawyers looking to make a name and some money. If a student does something that warrants a paddling,then the paddling, if refused, (you can't wrestle with a student) should result,in the least, with a seating in a cubicle in the alternative school or expulsion, depending on the misbehavior.

What all schools especially grades schools need is a ZERO tolerance policy for the protection of all students and teachers. If a child, no matter the age, acts up in class causing a problem or is caught bullying another student it should be law the teachers has to contact their parents and make arrangements for them to pick up their child ASAP. When the parents have to arrange to take off time from work and pick the child up and escort them home a couple times maybe they will see to it their little angels act like angels. If the parents don't show up to escort the kid home, the law enforcement should be notified. If parents and the money hungry lawyers don't want schools to protect the students and want to ignore or protect their child's right to act like animals towards teachers and other students then they should be held responsible for their actions. It is one thing to try and fail to correct your childs behavior but too many parents don't even try, they see it as their responsiblity to protect their monsters no matter the actions. Which all to often results in the bullied child taking revenge to a very dangerous level.

ZERO TOLERANCE WITH NO EXCEPTIONS. Just because you can play sports or are up for a scholarship should not give you the right to act like a jerk towards other students. If your parents didn't teach you to behave by the time you hit Middle School you should face a notation on your school records. that will follow you right through school and college. Anyone looking to benefit from a scholarship of any kind should be aware their actions towards teachers and fellow students is going to come into consideration when the scholarship is awarded.
 

TSR

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Tam a lot of what you say has been tried, but imagine trying to find a single-drug pushing parent in today's society. One of my friends, (now deceased) focused her life on helping kids and she told me about her taking kindergarten children to where their single parent (usually a woman) worked. not much of a chance that that would happen today, but it should.
 
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