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Confidential Doc Warns Of Conflict Or Revolution For US

Ben H

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Sorry for more gloom and doom, hit the back button if you've had enoug of that already. I just came across this today, it's dated April 3rd, 2008. It's from the Wayne Madison Report. From their "Who We Are" link:
"In the tradition of Drew Pearson's and Jack Anderson's famous "Washington Merry-Go-Round" syndicated column and I.F. Stone, this online publication tackles the "politically incorrect" and "politically embarrassing" stories and holds government officials accountable for their actions. This web site extends a warm open invitation to whistleblowers and leakers. Business as usual for the crooks and liars in Washington, DC, is over.

Wayne Madsen, Editor
May 27, 2005"

Here's the article:
Confidential Doc Warns Of Conflict Or Revolution For US
Wayne Madsen Report
4-3-8
WMR has learned from knowledgeable sources within the US financial community that an alarming confidential and limited distribution document is circulating among senior members of Congress and their senior staff members that is warning of a bleak future for the United States if it does not quickly get its financial house in order.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is among those who have reportedly read the document.
The document is being called the “C & R” document because it reportedly states that if the United States defaults on loans and debt underwriting from China, Japan, and Russia, all of which are propping up the United States government financially, and the United States unilaterally cancels the debts, America can expect a war that will have disastrous results for the United States and the world.
“Conflict” is the “C word” in the document.
The other scenario is that the federal government will be forced to drastically raise taxes in order to pay off debts to foreign countries to the point that the American people will react with a popular revolution against the government. “Revolution” is the document’s “R word.”
The origin of the document is not known, however, its alarming content matches up with previous warnings from former Comptroller General David Walker who abruptly resigned as head of the Government Accountability Office (GAO) in February of this year after repeatedly publicly warning of a “financial meltdown” disaster if America’s $9 trillion debt was not addressed quickly.
Financial experts have warned that the national debt, corrected for inflation, could reach $46 trillion in the next 20 years. A month earlier, Walker warned the Senate Banking Committee about the reaction of creditor nations in Asia and Europe if the U.S. did not address its debt problem.
Copyright 2005-2008 WayneMadsenReport.com

I can think of someone who will immediately comment on the "WMR has learned from knowledgeable sources " something like "who are these sources", If something like this could be true I think it makes sense to look at the reality and possibility of the situation, prepare and stop burying our heads in the sand.
 

MoGal

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Ben, I have a family member in the services and they were warned a few weeks ago, that Civil War is about to break out in the US and there is a "threat" of biological warfare to break out on the East coast sometime before spring of 09.

Some blogs have stated the "closed" meeting of the House Rep. this past March was telling them how the US economy would falter/fail in sept '08 and that we needed the Amero currency and the North American Union.

I just hope more people wake up and pass state laws to cecede from the US if they come up with a NAU. I saw a couple months ago (and I've kicked myself ever since for not saving the link or writing down the House bill # so I could research it) but this was a State of AZ house bill to do just that. I'm not saying its true because I don't know and I've not been able to find anything else out about it. Maybe it didn't pass ... I have no idea.

You can bet whatever these central bankers/global elite have planned, they want "fear" to be the main player so that people will give up sovereignty of the US and our constitutional rights.
 

Ben H

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That actualy gave me a little bit of chill, seriously. I haven't talked to any of my old friends from the Guard to see what they are hearing, I left back in March. Is it a coincidence that there is this new Active Duty unit here in the US under control of NORTHCOM that is for responding to these types of things, they went active in October, 3rd ID out of Georgia.

Speaking of seceding, there was an excellent post on the Maine Patriot Board (the site where I found the article I made this post with) that was very interesting.

United States of America was founded on the basis of secession. The Vermont movement, called the " Second Vermont Republic, " supports its prerogative by quoting Thomas Jefferson on its Web site, vermontrepublic.org: " Whenever any form of government becomes destructive, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government. " These words, written in the Declaration of Independence, declared US sovereignty from the British Crown.

As an anonymous writer on another site, www.secessionist.us, declares, " Secession is as American as apple pie. "

When I talked with my bandmate Chris Rohde about my idea, he joked that he didn’t understand why it hasn’t happened already. " If we were able to secede from Massachusetts, " he said, " we should certainly be able to secede from the United States. "

Maine seceded from Massachusetts in 1820.

One Maine town, Otisfield, seceded from one county to join another. Five others proposed similar ideas.

In 1998, irate Northern Mainers launched a movement to secede from Southern Maine.

Since 1969, 14 communities have introduced legislation to secede from their towns and go it alone. Three were successful. Ogunquit became its own entity when it seceded from Wells in 1970. Long Island seceded from Portland in 1993. And most recently, Frye Island seceded from Standish in 1997.

Mark Greene spearheaded Long Island’s secession movement. He notes that Long Island seceded from Portland at the same time that the Soviet Union broke apart. And though he is uncomfortable being associated with the idea of Maine seceding from the US, he commented that, " My idea [when I proposed it] years ago seemed as crazy at the time as your does now. " Like the American Revolution, the Long Island movement began as a tax revolt and, in the end, according to Greene, " It really became a self-rule issue rather than a tax issue. " He points out that since gaining sovereignty Long Island has improved its roads, refurbished the community hall, built a major library/school addition, purchased an emergency boat, and established a town hall where islanders can take care of all the business they previously did by way of a long ferry ride to Portland. All this, and taxes are a third lower than they would otherwise have been.

Greene has been impressed with how accessible Maine’s legislators are, and attributes that to Maine’s relatively small population. He also notes that Long Island’s manageable budget makes it easier for people to make sense of how their taxes are being spent. " The smaller it is, the easier it is to see it. "

Of course, not all American secession movements have been as successful of Long Island’s. When Americans think of secession, most think of the South’s failed efforts to secede from the Union, a movement that lead to the bloodiest war in US history. Afterwards, six Southern states were forced to write directives into their state constitutions forbidding future secession efforts.

But is secession unconstitutional? Vermontrepublic.org notes that " the US Constitution does not forbid a state from leaving the Union. According to the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution, anything that is not expressly prohibited by the Constitution is allowed. "

And, says Naylor, the very fact that certain states were forced to amend their constitutions to ban secession efforts implies that secession is indeed recognized by the federal government as a legitimate option.

Maine’s constitution addresses the question in Article 1, Section 2: " All power is inherent in the people; all free governments are founded in their authority and instituted for their benefit; they have therefore an unalienable and indefeasible right to institute government, and to alter, reform, or totally change the same, when their safety and happiness require it. "

http://www.portlandphoenix.com/features/top/ts_multi/documents/04383233.asp

I can't find the transcript, but Glenn Beck was talking about the state rights have been on the decline since the Civil War, every other country did away with slavery without war, if you take the slavery element out of the the equation, the South had the right to secede from the Union.

Look at the name of our Country, it's not America, it's United States of America, The States are supposed to have independent powers and sovernty, we unite together to be stronger. We have created a federal government that has become much to powerful.

I'll end with a quote, it's in the above article, from my favorite founding father Thomas Jefferson
" Whenever any form of government becomes destructive, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government. "
 

Sandhusker

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Twenty some years ago, there was a movement in Western Nebraska for the panhandle to seceed from Nebraska and join Wyoming. It didn't get too far, especially when Wyoming announced that they didn't want us.
 

kolanuraven

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Sandhusker said:
Twenty some years ago, there was a movement in Western Nebraska for the panhandle to seceed from Nebraska and join Wyoming. It didn't get too far, especially when Wyoming announced that they didn't want us.


Is that what coined the phrase Wyo-Braksa?

I had never heard that till I got to ScottsBluff...but the there was a lot I had never heard or seen till I got NE!!!!!! :shock: :shock: :shock:
 

backhoeboogie

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Better wake up and smell the coffee.

Folks are sick of being crime victims.

Folks are sick of a lot of other things. Who do people trust?

You've heard it all I am sure. Talk show hosts get support for a reason. People tune in to hear what they believe in, being expressed.

The dominoes are pretty much stacked. When one tumbles, many more are going to go with it.

Just in case you are not paying attention, store shelves are completely sold out of bullets.

Now. Go ahead and say "Hello! It is hunting season!" again. Hunting season is the very reason places stock up. They have not sold out of cammo, binoculars and other things. They have sold out of fire arms and bullets - during hunting season! If you owned a gas station, would you run out of gas for a whole three months?
 

TSR

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Sandhusker said:
Twenty some years ago, there was a movement in Western Nebraska for the panhandle to seceed from Nebraska and join Wyoming. It didn't get too far, especially when Wyoming announced that they didn't want us.

It was once rumored here that TN. wanted to give the greater Memphis area to the state of Mississippi and they didn't want it either. :wink:
 

Sandhusker

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kolanuraven said:
Sandhusker said:
Twenty some years ago, there was a movement in Western Nebraska for the panhandle to seceed from Nebraska and join Wyoming. It didn't get too far, especially when Wyoming announced that they didn't want us.


Is that what coined the phrase Wyo-Braksa?

I had never heard that till I got to ScottsBluff...but the there was a lot I had never heard or seen till I got NE!!!!!! :shock: :shock: :shock:

You should of stayed longer, you could of got that whacko liberalism cleansed from your system.
 

Soapweed

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kolanuraven said:
Sandhusker said:
Twenty some years ago, there was a movement in Western Nebraska for the panhandle to seceed from Nebraska and join Wyoming. It didn't get too far, especially when Wyoming announced that they didn't want us.


Is that what coined the phrase Wyo-Braksa?

I had never heard that till I got to ScottsBluff...but the there was a lot I had never heard or seen till I got NE!!!!!! :shock: :shock: :shock:

Back when I was in high school in the late 1960's, western Cherry County was all bent out of shape with the county seat town of Valentine. The county is pretty big, 96 miles east to west and 63 miles north to south. Valentine is in the northeastern part of the county. It is not very big as towns go, but it contained most of the voters and seemed to be calling all the shots at the time. Anyway there was a big meeting in the Merriman gymnasium to start a new county, starting at the city limits of Valentine and encompassing everything west and south of that fair city. There was quite a bit of momentum to do that very thing and tempers were running high. I actually think it would have come about except there was a mouthy young guy who worked on the ETV (educational television) tower which was eighteen miles south of town. He didn't even have a dog in the hunt but he sure had a lot to say. By the time the night was over everyone was so sick of listening to him that they just said the heck with it and decided to leave the county intact as it was. I was just a snot-nosed high school kid at the time, but sat in on the meeting for the excitement of the situation. My only contribution for the evening was to submit a potential name for the new county to be made. Since we would be leaving Cherry County, I thought "Chokecherry County" would be a great name for the new county-to-be. Alas, it was an idea whose time had not come. :wink:
 

backhoeboogie

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rookie said:
I be seein a case a the Hegalian Dialectic being made ready fer use on tha American folks one more time.

The liberals are going to jump right on that too. The stage is set and they are ready. "Change"

Kolo still has not responded to my post. She is still in denial and going with that, "It is hunting season" thought that she has previously stated.
 

TexasBred

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backhoeboogie said:
rookie said:
I be seein a case a the Hegalian Dialectic being made ready fer use on tha American folks one more time.

The liberals are going to jump right on that too. The stage is set and they are ready. "Change"

Kolo still has not responded to my post. She is still in denial and going with that, "It is hunting season" thought that she has previously stated.

Boogie..legally Texas can secede. Might be time to call a special session. :)
 

backhoeboogie

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TexasBred said:
backhoeboogie said:
rookie said:
I be seein a case a the Hegalian Dialectic being made ready fer use on tha American folks one more time.

The liberals are going to jump right on that too. The stage is set and they are ready. "Change"

Kolo still has not responded to my post. She is still in denial and going with that, "It is hunting season" thought that she has previously stated.

Boogie..legally Texas can secede. Might be time to call a special session. :)

There would be some benefit and some loss. I'd rather see us divide into 5 states as the U.S. accepted and get 8 more republicans in the senate.

If we seceded we could level the field on regulations. Just simply make things fair. Or deregulate everything.
 
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