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Is there a Conservative left in Washington, DC? Even Everyone is jumping on the bandwagon to hand out government dollars. And not even Bush is insisting that his tax cuts be made permanent as a trade off for doing it. :lol: :lol:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080119/ap_on_go_pr_wh/economy_stimulus
 
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Yep-- Yesterday- while still refusing to come out and actually admit the economy is headed toward recession (or already in one- as he avoids the R word)-- he announced this plan-- but again with no input on where the money was coming from- but coming from GW who thinks he can just print what he needs, this is no surprise.... :roll: "Fire up the press's Henry- I got another country to take over" :wink: :( :(

Neither he or Paulson would get much into specifics of their plan- but the main point of it was tax rebates of up to $800 per person or $1600 couple...Paulson refused to answer if this would be for everyone whether they paid taxes or not- or just taxpayer rebate if they had paid in over so much in taxes....
They also suggest tax breaks for companies/business including being able to exempt up to 50% of your business purchase costs of last year...(Should have bought that new stock trailer :wink: )

I'm kind of split on this...I agree they need to get some money out there- but I think much of it is too little too late...If they had been keeping up with and giving out truthful inflation figures- along with the SS COLA- much more money would be in the hands of those that would spend it already- and some that really are in a need for help ...

Also if this is supposed to be an economic stimulus- I'm not so sure that much will go quickly back into the economy- with many of the middle class sitting on it as a savings for the worse days to come that are predicted...Thats what all good economist/bankers are saying you should be doing with your money....And thats my intention anyway, if they give me some money back...
 

Texan

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Oldtimer said:
Paulson refused to answer if this would be for everyone whether they paid taxes or not- or just taxpayer rebate if they had paid in over so much in taxes....
You know the answer to that. The Dems will be sure that the bums in this country that NEVER work and NEVER pay taxes will get a check just as big as yours and mine. :mad:
 

Texan

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ff said:
Is there a Conservative left in Washington, DC?
Not enough of them to do any good. Most of them are too concerned with buying votes at home - either with 'free money' or worthless projects.
 
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Texan said:
Oldtimer said:
Paulson refused to answer if this would be for everyone whether they paid taxes or not- or just taxpayer rebate if they had paid in over so much in taxes....
You know the answer to that. The Dems will be sure that the bums in this country that NEVER work and NEVER pay taxes will get a check just as big as yours and mine. :mad:

While I hate to give my money to those folks- if the goal is to get money back into the economy fast to stimulate it- that is the way to do it...They won't sit on it like many middle class folks (me included) will...
 

Texan

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Oldtimer said:
While I hate to give my money to those folks- if the goal is to get money back into the economy fast to stimulate it- that is the way to do it...They won't sit on it like many middle class folks (me included) will...
I agree that they're much more likely to spend it - BLOW it, actually. That's what people do when they don't have sweat equity tied up in something. I hate to see the BUMS getting rewarded at the same rate as the working class.

Yeah, let's stimulate the economy. Be sure the BUMS have MY money to spend on crack cocaine, Thunderbird wine and lottery tickets. :???:
 
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Texan said:
Oldtimer said:
While I hate to give my money to those folks- if the goal is to get money back into the economy fast to stimulate it- that is the way to do it...They won't sit on it like many middle class folks (me included) will...
I agree that they're much more likely to spend it - BLOW it, actually. That's what people do when they don't have sweat equity tied up in something. I hate to see the BUMS getting rewarded at the same rate as the working class.

Yeah, let's stimulate the economy. Be sure the BUMS have MY money to spend on crack cocaine, Thunderbird wine and lottery tickets. :???:

See you would be putting dollars into foreign aid to Columbia- and the minority communities- supporting a US made industry and product (E&J Gallo)- and putting dollars into many states education funds.... :wink:
 
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Texan said:
:lol2:

You make it sound like a win/win deal. You ARE a politician, aren't you? :wink:

Yep but not so much that as years of playing Devils Advocate on stacks of reports and case files...Still love to do it, sometimes just to stir the pot- sometimes just to look at all sides in my own mind...

Personally I'd prefer the $1600 in my pocket and higher business purchase deductions for last year- but I'm sure Congress will have some going to everyone...Especially since this is an election year....
 

Texan

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Oldtimer said:
...sometimes just to look at all sides in my own mind...
Wouldn't hurt for all us to do more of that.

Oldtimer said:
Personally I'd prefer the $1600 in my pocket and higher business purchase deductions for last year- but I'm sure Congress will have some going to everyone...Especially since this is an election year....
I agree. We'll see vote-buying at it's finest. Something for everybody. Even though the Treasury will just have to borrow more money to do it.
 

Goodpasture

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I would like to see a freeze and/or rollback of mortgage interest rate at the teaser rate that people bought the house in the first place. I would also put a freeze on foreclosures. I would then have homeowners get current appraisals on their houses, and the amount due would be adjusted to the real value, not the inflated value that the houses were loaned at. If a lender or bank feels the homeowners appraisal is wrong, they can have it reviewed and or reappraised and go to arbitration.

It is the banks/wall street that put the real estate industry on the ropes. Let them reap what they sowed.

To recycle money into the economy, go back 5 years. Any CEO that got a golden parachute when their company lost money or went broke should be required to repay the parachute. That money should be returned to minority investors. That alone will produce several billion in money back to the people who were willing to put their money on the line, and had faith in free enterprise.

An additional source of money to the economy would be to require all employers, nationwide, to hire legal immigrants and citizens only, with substantial fines for the employment of illegals. Put a freeze on money being exported to third world countries.

A windfall energy tax on oil companies should be put in place with the revenues generated invested in alternate energy resources. There is no justification for oil companies to record record profits when the country is hitting a recession due, in large part, to the price of oil and fuel.

Neighborhood clinics should be developed immediately, where a person can get basic health care at low or no cost. A sick kid keeps a worker home, a sick worker infects other workers. Keep them healthy so they stay productive.

"Mirror" trade policies. If Japan refuses to accept American food products, then Japanese exports should be refused entry to our country. They want us to open our markets? Fine, Open theirs. They want to sell us cars? Great, buy our beef. All products should be made according to our standards. If China wants to provide us with toys, and they are found to not be safe, shut down imports from China until we are satisfied their products are safe. Will it cost us? Sure, but craftsman boot and shoe makers and toymakers and textile manufacturers will move to fill the void, and if they cost more, they will still be worth more. Countries like Canada and Germany and Holland, with minimal trade barriers will enjoy greater access......and it doesn't hurt to support our friends, instead of our enemies.
 
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Goodpasture said:
I would like to see a freeze and/or rollback of mortgage interest rate at the teaser rate that people bought the house in the first place. I would also put a freeze on foreclosures. I would then have homeowners get current appraisals on their houses, and the amount due would be adjusted to the real value, not the inflated value that the houses were loaned at. If a lender or bank feels the homeowners appraisal is wrong, they can have it reviewed and or reappraised and go to arbitration.

It is the banks/wall street that put the real estate industry on the ropes. Let them reap what they sowed.

To recycle money into the economy, go back 5 years. Any CEO that got a golden parachute when their company lost money or went broke should be required to repay the parachute. That money should be returned to minority investors. That alone will produce several billion in money back to the people who were willing to put their money on the line, and had faith in free enterprise.

An additional source of money to the economy would be to require all employers, nationwide, to hire legal immigrants and citizens only, with substantial fines for the employment of illegals. Put a freeze on money being exported to third world countries.

A windfall energy tax on oil companies should be put in place with the revenues generated invested in alternate energy resources. There is no justification for oil companies to record record profits when the country is hitting a recession due, in large part, to the price of oil and fuel.

Neighborhood clinics should be developed immediately, where a person can get basic health care at low or no cost. A sick kid keeps a worker home, a sick worker infects other workers. Keep them healthy so they stay productive.

"Mirror" trade policies. If Japan refuses to accept American food products, then Japanese exports should be refused entry to our country. They want us to open our markets? Fine, Open theirs. They want to sell us cars? Great, buy our beef. All products should be made according to our standards. If China wants to provide us with toys, and they are found to not be safe, shut down imports from China until we are satisfied their products are safe. Will it cost us? Sure, but craftsman boot and shoe makers and toymakers and textile manufacturers will move to fill the void, and if they cost more, they will still be worth more. Countries like Canada and Germany and Holland, with minimal trade barriers will enjoy greater access......and it doesn't hurt to support our friends, instead of our enemies.

Too much common sense there Goodpasture-- it'll never pass the current D.C. neocon test.. :(
 

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