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Cook vs Agosto

Lonecowboy

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Now this is a little different than Maj. Cook's case,

A Fort Hood soldier who believes the war in Afghanistan is "immoral and unjust" was sentenced to a month in jail and stripped of his Army rank Wednesday for refusing orders to deploy to Afghanistan.

Victor Agosto, 24, tore the specialist rank off his uniform after the sentence was read. He was later escorted out of the building to Bell County Jail as a group of supporters shouted they loved him and flashed peace signs.

Agosto, who served 13 months in Iraq with the 57th Expeditionary Signal Battalion, pleaded guilty to disobeying a lawful order during a summary court-martial at Fort Hood Wednesday. He was demoted to private – the lowest Army rank – and denied two-thirds of one month's pay.
http://www.kdhnews.com/news/story.aspx?s=34979


Maj. Cook was coming to a hearing about him disobeying orders because of obama's eligibilty and his orders were revoked rather than proving obama's eligibility in court.

The Army has revoked the deployment orders for a soldier who said he shouldn't have to go to Afghanistan because (he believes) Barack Obama was never eligible to be president.

Now why would they go ahead with a courtmartial for one soldier refusing to go to Afganistan, and not pursue Maj. Cooks case if obama is indeed eligible?
Both refused direct orders to deploy to Afganistan in roughly the same time frame.
The only difference was their reason for doing so:
One thought the war was illegal and was courtmartialed.
The other one thought obama was illegal and his orders to deploy were revoked rather than go to court where evidence must be presented.
 

alice

Well-known member
Lonecowboy said:
Now this is a little different than Maj. Cook's case,

A Fort Hood soldier who believes the war in Afghanistan is "immoral and unjust" was sentenced to a month in jail and stripped of his Army rank Wednesday for refusing orders to deploy to Afghanistan.

Victor Agosto, 24, tore the specialist rank off his uniform after the sentence was read. He was later escorted out of the building to Bell County Jail as a group of supporters shouted they loved him and flashed peace signs.

Agosto, who served 13 months in Iraq with the 57th Expeditionary Signal Battalion, pleaded guilty to disobeying a lawful order during a summary court-martial at Fort Hood Wednesday. He was demoted to private – the lowest Army rank – and denied two-thirds of one month's pay.
http://www.kdhnews.com/news/story.aspx?s=34979


Maj. Cook was coming to a hearing about him disobeying orders because of obama's eligibilty and his orders were revoked rather than proving obama's eligibility in court.

The Army has revoked the deployment orders for a soldier who said he shouldn't have to go to Afghanistan because (he believes) Barack Obama was never eligible to be president.

Now why would they go ahead with a courtmartial for one soldier refusing to go to Afganistan, and not pursue Maj. Cooks case if obama is indeed eligible?
Both refused direct orders to deploy to Afganistan in roughly the same time frame.
The only difference was their reason for doing so:
One thought the war was illegal and was courtmartialed.
The other one thought obama was illegal and his orders to deploy were revoked rather than go to court where evidence must be presented.

From what I've read, Major Cook is a reservist who volunteered to go then backed out. Heck, he could've backed out and not sued to back out...all he'd have to do is request it.

This other man refused a direct order.

Alice
 

hopalong

Well-known member
alice said:
Lonecowboy said:
Now this is a little different than Maj. Cook's case,

A Fort Hood soldier who believes the war in Afghanistan is "immoral and unjust" was sentenced to a month in jail and stripped of his Army rank Wednesday for refusing orders to deploy to Afghanistan.

Victor Agosto, 24, tore the specialist rank off his uniform after the sentence was read. He was later escorted out of the building to Bell County Jail as a group of supporters shouted they loved him and flashed peace signs.

Agosto, who served 13 months in Iraq with the 57th Expeditionary Signal Battalion, pleaded guilty to disobeying a lawful order during a summary court-martial at Fort Hood Wednesday. He was demoted to private – the lowest Army rank – and denied two-thirds of one month's pay.
http://www.kdhnews.com/news/story.aspx?s=34979


Maj. Cook was coming to a hearing about him disobeying orders because of obama's eligibilty and his orders were revoked rather than proving obama's eligibility in court.

The Army has revoked the deployment orders for a soldier who said he shouldn't have to go to Afghanistan because (he believes) Barack Obama was never eligible to be president.

Now why would they go ahead with a courtmartial for one soldier refusing to go to Afganistan, and not pursue Maj. Cooks case if obama is indeed eligible?
Both refused direct orders to deploy to Afganistan in roughly the same time frame.
The only difference was their reason for doing so:
One thought the war was illegal and was courtmartialed.
The other one thought obama was illegal and his orders to deploy were revoked rather than go to court where evidence must be presented.

From what I've read, Major Cook is a reservist who volunteered to go then backed out. Heck, he could've backed out and not sued to back out...all he'd have to do is request it.

This other man refused a direct order.

Alice

Better go and reread the whole thig alice and next time get it right!!
 

Lonecowboy

Well-known member
well Alice if it was as simple as you make it seem then why would DOD go to such lengths to punish Maj. Cook then.
If they will go to these lengths then why not a court martial and prove him wrong him with the evidence so they can throw him in the stockade and really punish him, rather than just have him fired?
Looks like they wanted to make an example of Maj. Cook without the use of pesky little things like facts, so they could intimidate others into silence.



In complete violation of the Federal Whistleblower’s Act, as well as military codes, the Department of Defense, through its agents, has begun retaliating against Major Stefan Cook for his lawsuit challenging the eligibility of Barack Obama to be President. From the Motion for Preliminary Injunction filed today in the US District Court in Georgia, the DOD actions are described in detail:

DOD RETALIATION AGAINST MR. COOK IS SWIFT AND BRUTAL

Moreover, however, retaliation has occurred or begun against Plaintiff Stefan Frederick Cook for the exercise of his First Amendment right to petition for redress of grievances and Plaintiff Cook accordingly here seeks an injunction against the continuance or full implementation of this official governmental retaliation or in the alternative for a writ of mandamus, order to show cause, or rule nisi be issued to the Department of Defense commanding it to cease, cure, or remedy all retaliation against Plaintiff Cook. The circumstances are as follows:

Late on Tuesday afternoon, July 14, 2009, at around about 4:30 pm, Plaintiff Stefan Frederick Cook returned a call to an unknown telephone call from (813) 828-5884 and was told that his services were no longer required in Afghanistan and that he need not report for duty. In addition Plaintiff an e-mail with the revocation order attached from Master Sargent Miguel Matos (Exhibit C). Upon receipt of the revocation, Plaintiff Major Cook called his civilian boss, the CEO of Simtech, Inc., a closely held corporation that does DOD contracting in the general field of information technology/systems integration, at which Plaintiff Major was employed until taking a Military Leave of Absence on Friday July 10, 2009, a senior systems engineer and architect, in preparation for his deployment to Afghanistan. (Plaintiff has five Cisco Systems certifications in information technology dating from 2000 and just recertified in June 2009 for the Cisco Certified Design Expert qualification exam.)

The CEO of Simtech, Inc., Larry Grice, explained to Plaintiff over a series of four conversations within the next two hours, that he had been terminated. Grice told the Plaintiff that he would no longer be welcome in his former position at SOCOM but that Grice wanted to see whether he could find something within the company (Simtech, Inc.) for Cook. The upshot was that at this time Grice did not have anything for Plaintiff to do. Grice told Plaintiff, in essence, that the situation had become “nutty and crazy”, and that Plaintiff would no longer be able to work at his old position.

Grice explained that he had been in touch with Defense Security Services (an agency of the Department of Defense[1], with regional offices located in SOCOM Headquarters at McDill Airforce Base in Tampa, Florida), and that DSS had not yet made a determination whether Plaintiff Major Cook’s clearances would be pulled, but Grice made clear to Cook that it was DSS who had compelled Cook’s termination. Essentially, because of the “nutty and crazy” situation and the communications received from DSS was no longer employable by him at all. So he was not optimistic about getting me another job at the company. Grice also reported to Plaintiff that there was some gossip that “people were disappointed in” the Plaintiff because they thought he was manipulating his deployment orders to create a platform for political purposes. Grice then discussed Plaintiff’s expectation of receiving final paychecks (including accrued leave pay) already owed, without any severance pay, and wished the Plaintiff well.

A federal agency (such as the Department of Defense, acting through the Defense Security Services Agency) clearly violates the Whistleblower Protection Act if it takes or fails to take (or threatens to take or fail to take) a personnel action with respect to any employee or applicant because of any disclosure of information by the employee or applicant that he or she reasonably believes evidences a violation of a law, rule or regulation; gross mismanagement; gross waste of funds; an abuse of authority; or a substantial and specific danger to public health or safety. What has happened in the present case of Stefan Frederick Cook is that a federal agency appears to have taken action against Stefan Frederick Cook’s private employer, Simtech, Inc., which is a closely held corporation owned and operated by members of a single family, who are as much victims of the Department of Defense’ heavy-handed interference with Plaintiff Cook’s private-sector employment as is Plaintiff Cook himself.
http://james4america.wordpress.com/2009/07/15/dod-retaliates-against-major-cook-for-obama-lawsuit/
 

alice

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hopalong said:
alice said:
MsSage said:
Gee alice I guess all I have to say to you is amazing :roll: -

Look it up Sage, read it for yourself...

Alice

Why should she??? You sure as he11 didn't but then no one expected you to.

ok, this one last time...then I'm done spoonfeeding. Hypocrite has definitely spoiled you all.

http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=63941
 

Lonecowboy

Well-known member
alice said:
hopalong said:
alice said:
Look it up Sage, read it for yourself...

Alice

Why should she??? You sure as he11 didn't but then no one expected you to.

ok, this one last time...then I'm done spoonfeeding. Hypocrite has definitely spoiled you all.

http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=63941

gee Alice that was a totally unbiased site-
totally unbiased article-
I wonder why when I did a search of that sight I found no mention of the above stated article about the DOD having Maj. Cook fired?
that wasn't spoonfeeding- that was breastmilk.
you don't think they are putting a spin on things do you?
 

alice

Well-known member
Lonecowboy said:
alice said:
hopalong said:
Why should she??? You sure as he11 didn't but then no one expected you to.

ok, this one last time...then I'm done spoonfeeding. Hypocrite has definitely spoiled you all.

http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=63941

gee Alice that was a totally unbiased site-
totally unbiased article-
I wonder why when I did a search of that sight I found no mention of the above stated article about the DOD having Maj. Cook fired?
that wasn't spoonfeeding- that was breastmilk.
you don't think they are putting a spin on things do you?

I thought you wanted to know why Cook wasn't court martialed but this other soldier was?

Alice
 

Lonecowboy

Well-known member
I thought you wanted to know why Cook wasn't court martialed but this other soldier was?

Alice

Guess I still do!

Why then if it was such a cut and dried deal did the DOD go to such lengths to have Major Cook fired?
If it was as simple as Major Cook just changing his mind, why the retaliation?
 

hopalong

Well-known member
alice said:
Lonecowboy said:
alice said:
ok, this one last time...then I'm done spoonfeeding. Hypocrite has definitely spoiled you all.

http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=63941

gee Alice that was a totally unbiased site-
totally unbiased article-
I wonder why when I did a search of that sight I found no mention of the above stated article about the DOD having Maj. Cook fired?
that wasn't spoonfeeding- that was breastmilk.
you don't think they are putting a spin on things do you?

I thought you wanted to know why Cook wasn't court martialed but this other soldier was?

Alice

and we still do
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=104044

http://yedies.blogspot.com/2009/07/major-cook-gets-fired-from-his-job.html

many many more sites alice all you have to do is look,
BUT no you want others to do your work for you, while you reap the benifits!
Must be a liberal :wink: :wink:
 

alice

Well-known member
hopalong said:
alice said:
Lonecowboy said:
gee Alice that was a totally unbiased site-
totally unbiased article-
I wonder why when I did a search of that sight I found no mention of the above stated article about the DOD having Maj. Cook fired?
that wasn't spoonfeeding- that was breastmilk.
you don't think they are putting a spin on things do you?

I thought you wanted to know why Cook wasn't court martialed but this other soldier was?

Alice

and we still do
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=104044

http://yedies.blogspot.com/2009/07/major-cook-gets-fired-from-his-job.html

many many more sites alice all you have to do is look,
BUT no you want others to do your work for you, while you reap the benifits!
Must be a liberal :wink: :wink:

WND? You use WND? GAWD...:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Alice
 

Lonecowboy

Well-known member
alice said:
Lonecowboy said:
no comment about DOD retaliation Alice??

You weren't whining about that originally...

Alice

Not whining now either Alice-
the only reason I posted that was in dispute of your claims.
when confronted with these facts though you can't seem to come up with a good explanation so you ignore them. Or in this case try to dismiss them with an attack by saying I'm whining.
So I just brought them up for your attention again.
Keep your head burried or look at all the facts- your choice!
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
reader (the Second) said:
Lonesome - one's a reservist and the other is an active duty soldier.

As for how Cook's employer treated him, go ask them. Don't assume that they were pressured by DoD and then assert it. You don't know the facts.

Frankly, associating with Orly Taitz may have been enough for them to question his ability to do national security work. They may have questioned his sanity. Who knows? You don't and I don't.

Stick to things we do have facts on.

We have facts that Obama has never brought out his birth certificate and we have a fact that Robert Gibbs says he has.

We have a fact that Obama is going to great lenghts NOT to bring out his birth certifificate.
 

alice

Well-known member
Sandhusker said:
reader (the Second) said:
Lonesome - one's a reservist and the other is an active duty soldier.

As for how Cook's employer treated him, go ask them. Don't assume that they were pressured by DoD and then assert it. You don't know the facts.

Frankly, associating with Orly Taitz may have been enough for them to question his ability to do national security work. They may have questioned his sanity. Who knows? You don't and I don't.

Stick to things we do have facts on.

We have facts that Obama has never brought out his birth certificate and we have a fact that Robert Gibbs says he has.

We have a fact that Obama is going to great lenghts NOT to bring out his birth certifificate.

Throw the man a rope...he's drowning in his own idiocy...

Alice
 
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