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Corporate Fascism

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Anonymous

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The one thing I have to chuckle about on here- is that some that have been condemning the corporate fascist moves of this current Administration/USDA on the Bull Sessions are now the ones the loudest in promoting McSame who is promoting the same policy as Bush on the Political Bull...

Policy like some of the free trade inequities, the throwing out the door of any free market system with the support of the Big Lobbyist multinational Packers over Creekstone and some of the other small packers, nonenforcement of the PSA, the throwing out of all well studied policy and science in the BSE issue- again putting the multinationals interests ahead of the cattle industry and consumers, the continuing monopolization of the packing and feeding interest- that now includes selling out much of the interest to foreign nationals and foreign government moneys, etc. etc...

And not only is McSame promoting the same policy- but I think could be much worse on the issue since he has consistently said he is the "biggest freetrader in the world" and "never saw a free trade agreement he didn't like"- and has a 30 year Congressional history of influence peddling (including being involved in corrupt scandal) and of big money ties to some of the biggest Corporate Lobbyists... With his flipflop voting record following the direction the most Lobbyist money was coming from at the time...

Do those issues not concern you :???:
 

RobertMac

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What concerns me is someone that quotes President Reagan and then supports Sen. Obama, the MOST LIBERAL MEMBER OF THE SENATE!!! I don't believe their is a true conservative here that would be supporting Sen. McCain IF we had the choice of a true conservative. What you seem to be too naive to understand is that with Obama, we get the two headed monster...Big Business AND Big Government. Only a fool would believe that it is only Republicans that are influenced by Big Business lobbyist.

As for your little name calling game, I would like Macon to explain why he has you as a moderator!!!!!
 
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Anonymous

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RobertMac said:
What concerns me is someone that quotes President Reagan and then supports Sen. Obama, the MOST LIBERAL MEMBER OF THE SENATE!!! I don't believe their is a true conservative here that would be supporting Sen. McCain IF we had the choice of a true conservative. What you seem to be too naive to understand is that with Obama, we get the two headed monster...Big Business AND Big Government. Only a fool would believe that it is only Republicans that are influenced by Big Business lobbyist.

Actually when all the conservative and liberal groups ratings are looked at- Obama is about 1/3 of the way up as far as being most Liberal voting in the Senate...But don't let facts change your beliefs ---Even my junior Senator- who the media and capitol hill watchers describe as a populist or Blue Dog is rated more Liberal :roll:

And government bureaucracy and national debt grew faster than any time in the history of the country under the current neocon Champion Bush and Repub controlled Congress :roll: Can't get much worse..

While I'm quite aware that Democrats can support big business- and are tied to lobbyists too- at least Obama's promise to keep Lobbyists out of the White House and refusal to take Lobbyist donations is the first refreshing thing I've heard in years-

While on the other hand McSame has 30 years of ties to Big money Lobbyists, corrupt lobbyist scandals and influence peddling- so we know there is no chance for change...
 

Sandhusker

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Oldtimer said:
RobertMac said:
What concerns me is someone that quotes President Reagan and then supports Sen. Obama, the MOST LIBERAL MEMBER OF THE SENATE!!! I don't believe their is a true conservative here that would be supporting Sen. McCain IF we had the choice of a true conservative. What you seem to be too naive to understand is that with Obama, we get the two headed monster...Big Business AND Big Government. Only a fool would believe that it is only Republicans that are influenced by Big Business lobbyist.

Actually when all the conservative and liberal groups ratings are looked at- Obama is about 1/3 of the way up as far as being most Liberal voting in the Senate...But don't let facts change your beliefs ---Even my junior Senator- who the media and capitol hill watchers describe as a populist or Blue Dog is rated more Liberal :roll:

And government bureaucracy and national debt grew faster than any time in the history of the country under the current neocon Champion Bush and Repub controlled Congress :roll: Can't get much worse..

While I'm quite aware that Democrats can support big business- and are tied to lobbyists too- at least Obama's promise to keep Lobbyists out of the White House and refusal to take Lobbyist donations is the first refreshing thing I've heard in years-

While on the other hand McSame has 30 years of ties to Big money Lobbyists, corrupt lobbyist scandals and influence peddling- so we know there is no chance for change...

What is Obama going to change? There's no way in hell that those millions that he's also getting from corporate America don't have strings attached. Those strings come with the two main parties, if you're a nominee, you're on a string. I don't beleive that Obama is seperating himself from the lobbyists, and even if he is, the party that punches his dance card is deep in them. So, is he really free of lobbyist influence? He's just trying to pawn wooden nickels.
 
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Sandhusker said:
Oldtimer said:
RobertMac said:
What concerns me is someone that quotes President Reagan and then supports Sen. Obama, the MOST LIBERAL MEMBER OF THE SENATE!!! I don't believe their is a true conservative here that would be supporting Sen. McCain IF we had the choice of a true conservative. What you seem to be too naive to understand is that with Obama, we get the two headed monster...Big Business AND Big Government. Only a fool would believe that it is only Republicans that are influenced by Big Business lobbyist.

Actually when all the conservative and liberal groups ratings are looked at- Obama is about 1/3 of the way up as far as being most Liberal voting in the Senate...But don't let facts change your beliefs ---Even my junior Senator- who the media and capitol hill watchers describe as a populist or Blue Dog is rated more Liberal :roll:

And government bureaucracy and national debt grew faster than any time in the history of the country under the current neocon Champion Bush and Repub controlled Congress :roll: Can't get much worse..

While I'm quite aware that Democrats can support big business- and are tied to lobbyists too- at least Obama's promise to keep Lobbyists out of the White House and refusal to take Lobbyist donations is the first refreshing thing I've heard in years-

While on the other hand McSame has 30 years of ties to Big money Lobbyists, corrupt lobbyist scandals and influence peddling- so we know there is no chance for change...

What is Obama going to change? There's no way in hell that those millions that he's also getting from corporate America don't have strings attached. Those strings come with the two main parties, if you're a nominee, you're on a string. I don't beleive that Obama is seperating himself from the lobbyists, and even if he is, the party that punches his dance card is deep in them. So, is he really free of lobbyist influence? He's just trying to pawn wooden nickels.

So then the answer is go deeper and deeper into fascism- allow the top 1% of the population that now controls 40% of the countrys wealth to gain control of more of it- and the corporate conglomerates to keep marching forward in decision making for the government- which allows their gobble up of the medium, family, and small business/ranchs- while more and more leave being small entrepreneurs and landowners and become laborers/serfs :???:

Just the opposite of our forefathers and immigrants of the pasts dream.... :(
 

Sandhusker

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That's not the way that I want this country to go, either, but Obama isn't going to change that. The only way to stop that is to shut off the "contributions" to Washington, and that's like asking an alcohilic to give up his "free beer" card. He's got his hand out same as everybody else.
 

RobertMac

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OT said:
But don't let facts change your beliefs
FACTS!!!!! :mad: :mad: ....you are a fool if you believe the sources you quote aren't biased. Almost 90% of main stream media are Democrats and if you don't believe they bias the news...again, you're a fool! The only thing I'll give you on Obama is that at least 1/3 of Democrats are just as socialist as he is!!!!!!!!!!!!

OT said:
Can't get much worse..
OH YES IT CAN and will if Obama is elected!!!!!

OT said:
...at least Obama's promise to keep Lobbyists out of the White House and refusal to take Lobbyist donations is the first refreshing thing I've heard in years-
Obama, like Clinton, changes his promises every time the polls change! The only convictions he has are what comes out of a teleprompter!!

Let me make it clear if you haven't picked up on it, your opinion and what you post here have absolutely no creditability with me(and I think not with the other TRUE conservatives here)!

One point I'll give you is that the direction of this country(whether we have the socialist or the socialist-lite elected) will be determined by the convictions of the conservative Democrat Congressmen...and they don't have a very good record for standing up against their party!!!!

And I'm still waiting on Macon's explanation!!!
 

TSR

Well-known member
RobertMac said:
OT said:
But don't let facts change your beliefs
FACTS!!!!! :mad: :mad: ....you are a fool if you believe the sources you quote aren't biased. Almost 90% of main stream media are Democrats and if you don't believe they bias the news...again, you're a fool! The only thing I'll give you on Obama is that at least 1/3 of Democrats are just as socialist as he is!!!!!!!!!!!!

OT said:
Can't get much worse..
OH YES IT CAN and will if Obama is elected!!!!!

OT said:
...at least Obama's promise to keep Lobbyists out of the White House and refusal to take Lobbyist donations is the first refreshing thing I've heard in years-
Obama, like Clinton, changes his promises every time the polls change! The only convictions he has are what comes out of a teleprompter!!

Let me make it clear if you haven't picked up on it, your opinion and what you post here have absolutely no creditability with me(and I think not with the other TRUE conservatives here)!

One point I'll give you is that the direction of this country(whether we have the socialist or the socialist-lite elected) will be determined by the convictions of the conservative Democrat Congressmen...and they don't have a very good record for standing up against their party!!!!

And I'm still waiting on Macon's explanation!!!

How can the Conservative Democrats determine direction when they are a minority. At least I think they are ?
 

RobertMac

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TSR said:
RobertMac said:
OT said:
But don't let facts change your beliefs
FACTS!!!!! :mad: :mad: ....you are a fool if you believe the sources you quote aren't biased. Almost 90% of main stream media are Democrats and if you don't believe they bias the news...again, you're a fool! The only thing I'll give you on Obama is that at least 1/3 of Democrats are just as socialist as he is!!!!!!!!!!!!

OT said:
Can't get much worse..
OH YES IT CAN and will if Obama is elected!!!!!

OT said:
...at least Obama's promise to keep Lobbyists out of the White House and refusal to take Lobbyist donations is the first refreshing thing I've heard in years-
Obama, like Clinton, changes his promises every time the polls change! The only convictions he has are what comes out of a teleprompter!!

Let me make it clear if you haven't picked up on it, your opinion and what you post here have absolutely no creditability with me(and I think not with the other TRUE conservatives here)!

One point I'll give you is that the direction of this country(whether we have the socialist or the socialist-lite elected) will be determined by the convictions of the conservative Democrat Congressmen...and they don't have a very good record for standing up against their party!!!!

And I'm still waiting on Macon's explanation!!!

How can the Conservative Democrats determine direction when they are a minority. At least I think they are ?
The same way Democrats blocked energy legislation when they were in the minority. If you are going to debate the government, please learn how it works.
 

TSR

Well-known member
RobertMac said:
TSR said:
RobertMac said:
FACTS!!!!! :mad: :mad: ....you are a fool if you believe the sources you quote aren't biased. Almost 90% of main stream media are Democrats and if you don't believe they bias the news...again, you're a fool! The only thing I'll give you on Obama is that at least 1/3 of Democrats are just as socialist as he is!!!!!!!!!!!!


OH YES IT CAN and will if Obama is elected!!!!!


Obama, like Clinton, changes his promises every time the polls change! The only convictions he has are what comes out of a teleprompter!!

Let me make it clear if you haven't picked up on it, your opinion and what you post here have absolutely no creditability with me(and I think not with the other TRUE conservatives here)!

One point I'll give you is that the direction of this country(whether we have the socialist or the socialist-lite elected) will be determined by the convictions of the conservative Democrat Congressmen...and they don't have a very good record for standing up against their party!!!!

And I'm still waiting on Macon's explanation!!!

How can the Conservative Democrats determine direction when they are a minority. At least I think they are ?
The same way Democrats blocked energy legislation when they were in the minority. If you are going to debate the government, please learn how it works.

Oh yes, Now I remember, the same way the Republicans blocked speculation legislation.
 

backhoeboogie

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Oldtimer said:
So then the answer is go deeper and deeper into fascism- allow the top 1% of the population that now controls 40% of the countrys wealth to gain control of more of it- and the corporate conglomerates to keep marching forward in decision making for the government- which allows their gobble up of the medium, family, and small business/ranchs- while more and more leave being small entrepreneurs and landowners and become laborers/serfs :???:

:(

More rhetoric OT. You and Pelosi get your way and you equalize all the wealth in America. A year from now, bums will be bums looking for hand outs and the mover and shakers will be back on the up side.
 

RobertMac

Well-known member
TSR said:
RobertMac said:
TSR said:
How can the Conservative Democrats determine direction when they are a minority. At least I think they are ?
The same way Democrats blocked energy legislation when they were in the minority. If you are going to debate the government, please learn how it works.

Oh yes, Now I remember, the same way the Republicans blocked speculation legislation.
That's it.
 

TSR

Well-known member
backhoeboogie said:
Oldtimer said:
So then the answer is go deeper and deeper into fascism- allow the top 1% of the population that now controls 40% of the countrys wealth to gain control of more of it- and the corporate conglomerates to keep marching forward in decision making for the government- which allows their gobble up of the medium, family, and small business/ranchs- while more and more leave being small entrepreneurs and landowners and become laborers/serfs :???:

:(

More rhetoric OT. You and Pelosi get your way and you equalize all the wealth in America. A year from now, bums will be bums looking for hand outs and the mover and shakers will be back on the up side.

You really think the wealth in America can be equalized by any political party? I don't think you have to worry about that with the pwer the corporations have today. But what I do think is, we can spend our tax money helping those small movers and shakers you mention get started and increasing the size of the middle class rather than giving breaks to large conglomerates who don't need the money as nearly as bad as the small business man. And yes we will always have bums.
 

Mike

Well-known member
The problem lies with those that call themselves free-thinkers and Independents, politically.

We even have several here who align themselves with Democrat/Liberal politicians because they don't go along with the Republicans on some issues and cause the whole shift of balance to go farther Left.

Instead, they should fight the Liberal/Marxist/Socialist movement and at the same time help to move the Right Wing more toward the Right.

I actually like some of Nader's ideas about reducing "Corporate Facism", but reject entirely any notion of voting for him because he is also a Liberal/Marxist/Socialist in disguise.
 

Texan

Well-known member
RobertMac said:
I don't believe their is a true conservative here that would be supporting Sen. McCain IF we had the choice of a true conservative.

Exactly!

I remember back before the primaries when we had several of the "Who's your candidate" type links here. The ones where you answered some questions and the results came back with which candidate most closely reflected your views.

I think most of our views were more closely represented by Duncan Hunter. If I remember correctly, Oldtimer was part of that group. Obviously, none of the conservatives here wanted John McCain, but he's what we've got and that's why I support him.

But...how anybody can shift from Duncan Hunter to Barack Obama will always be a mystery to me.
 

RobertMac

Well-known member
Mike said:
The problem lies with those that call themselves free-thinkers and Independents, politically.

We even have several here who align themselves with Democrat/Liberal politicians because they don't go along with the Republicans on some issues and cause the whole shift of balance to go farther Left.

Instead, they should fight the Liberal/Marxist/Socialist movement and at the same time help to move the Right Wing more toward the Right.

I actually like some of Nader's ideas about reducing "Corporate Facism", but reject entirely any notion of voting for him because he is also a Liberal/Marxist/Socialist in disguise.
:agree:

TSR said:
But what I do think is, we can spend our tax money helping those small movers and shakers you mention get started and increasing the size of the middle class rather than giving breaks to large conglomerates who don't need the money as nearly as bad as the small business man.
:agree:

TSR said:
And yes we will always have bums.
Unfortunately far too many are employed by the taxpayers in Washington!!!! Throw the bums out!!!!
 

Mike

Well-known member
But...how anybody can shift from Duncan Hunter to Barack Obama will always be a mystery to me.

I agree. How anyone could shift from Ron Paul to Barack Hussein Obama could be classified as the greatest Flip-Flop of all time.

Wait....they both oppose the War???????? which is a menial part of this Presidential equation.

Scared me when the Supreme Court vote on the 2nd Amendment came down to a 5-4 vote. That was waaaaaaaaay too close!
 

Texan

Well-known member
Here's a couple of those threads - it's interesting to look back now. I guess I was wrong about Oldtimer. He had already went over the edge way back then - he had John Edwards at the top of one of his. :lol:

And I even had McCain number two on one of them and Hagel close to the top - yukkk. :oops:

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=228820#228820

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=245524#245524
 

Ben H

Well-known member
Just the opposite of our forefathers and immigrants of the pasts dream....
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Socialism isn't?

I'll probably vote for McCain because he's Not Barry O. I'd still take Bush or Cheney over both of the them. It's too bad libertarians are so crappy on defense and wanting to legalize drugs.
 
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