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Corporatism, fascism, socialism, and Communism

hypocritexposer

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Bare with me, we're going to connect some dots Corporatism (some call it fascism) at it's best, with a bit of meddling to boot. Did they really think that there were not going to be unintended consequences.

And NO, I'm not a commie, I just detest any type of extreme socialism, whether it is corporate, nationalist, or communist.

There are consequences, which we will find out about in the next few years...


FIRST: to qualify the first source

The Center for Media and Democracy (CMD) is a boutique investigative research and reporting group with a demonstrated capacity to break major news stories and highlight the work of advocates. Located in Madison, Wisconsin, it is a national, non-profit watchdog organization, founded in 1993. CMD's niche is investigating and exposing the undue influence of corporations and front groups on public policy, including PR campaigns, lobbying, and electioneering. CMD's original reporting helps educate the public and aids grassroots action about policies affecting people’s lives—their rights and the health of our democracy.

A little about NED, who/which has been deeply involved with the "Arab Springs" the past few years and Ukraine...

The National Endowment for Democracy (NED) is a Washington D.C-based quasi-governmental organization funded by the U.S. which boasts that it is "supporting freedom around the world."[1]

Alan Weinstein, one of the founders of the NED, explained in 1991:

A lot of what we [NED] do was done 25 years ago covertly by the CIA[2]

Most of the NED, and its affiliated organizations, deals with influencing political processes abroad. The means employed range from influencing civil society, media, fostering business groups, lending support to preferred politicians/political parties, election monitoring, and fostering human rights groups. Depending on the level of development of the political system and the sophistication of politicians, different strategies are applied. In underdeveloped countries (e.g., Haiti), it involves developing the civil infrastructure/civil society groups, human right monitoring groups, and especially, bonding with the country's business elite. In more advanced countries, with a civil society base, the focus is on fostering politicians/elite who favor the neo-liberal economic/political model. From the NED's website it is evident that the principal regions where it seeks to influence political outcomes are the Middle East, the former Soviet republics, some countries in Latin America, and Africa.[3]


NED has principally supported candidates with strong ties to the military and who support the rights of U.S. corporations to invest in those countries with minimal restriction. The NED has not supported candidates who oppose investments by U.S. corporations or who promise restrictions on investment rights of U.S. corporations.


On Tuesday, Chevron signed a 50-year agreement with the Ukrainian government to develop oil and gas in western Ukraine. The government said that Chevron would spend $350 million on the exploratory phase of the project and that the total investment could reach $10 billion.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/06/business/international/chevron-and-ukraine-sign-deal-on-shale-gas.html?_r=0

did everyone google Nuland

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=646026&highlight=nuland#646026

Here's a picture and video of her boasting about all the money being "invested" in the Ukraine


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2y0y-JUsPTU
 

hypocritexposer

Well-known member
If you don't like this type of Government, speak up about it, it doesn't mean you are unAmerican, if you have input into where your tax dollars go

What is going on is not Democracy, or Capitalism!!! And that goes for both "sides"
 

Steve

Well-known member
Like other Eastern European countries, Ukraine has much to gain if it can create an environment in which energy companies can successfully explore for oil and gas.

Last year Ukraine consumed about 50 billion cubic meters of natural gas, most of it imported from Russia, while producing about 19 billion cubic meters, according to the BP Statistical Review of World Energy.

Production from the Chevron and Shell tracts has the potential to substantially narrow the gap between Ukraine’s domestic output and demand

I fully support the Ukraine being independent of the threat of withholding NG in the dead of winter..

To do otherwise keeps the good decent people of the Ukraine in a choke-hold and beholden to Russia and Putin's whims.
 

hypocritexposer

Well-known member
Steve said:
Like other Eastern European countries, Ukraine has much to gain if it can create an environment in which energy companies can successfully explore for oil and gas.

Last year Ukraine consumed about 50 billion cubic meters of natural gas, most of it imported from Russia, while producing about 19 billion cubic meters, according to the BP Statistical Review of World Energy.

Production from the Chevron and Shell tracts has the potential to substantially narrow the gap between Ukraine’s domestic output and demand

I fully support the Ukraine being independent of the threat of withholding NG in the dead of winter..

To do otherwise keeps the good decent people of the Ukraine in a choke-hold and beholden to Russia and Putin's whims.

I believe everyone supports them in having NG for the winter, but that does not excuse the intervention/intimidation and corporatism, or threats, from either side.

There was a middle way in all of this, without the bloodshed, meddling, and the situation Ukraine is in now.



Are you a Capiltalist, or a Corporatist?
 

mrj

Well-known member
All this current info on political bull looks very interesting and informative, and I'm in the middle of various crisis modes today, so it's depressing not being able to check it all out.

One thing troubling is use of term "democracy" for our form of government.

Isn't it properly a democratic Republic? and what is really the difference between the two. From what I recall hearing, it is a vital difference, and seems to me the differences may have been intentionally blurred to keep us from realizing our potential as a free people.

I'm looking forward to reading it, and thanks for posting the information and opinions.

mrj
 

Steve

Well-known member
a democracy is the will of the majority of the people..

(known sometimes as mob rule.. and can get real ugly real fast)


I would say most would agree we are a republic...
my view is we are a Constitutional Republic
it has several key requirements.
rule of law,
respect for the individuals rights
and a representative form of government.




another view..
The United States is the world's oldest surviving federation. It is a constitutional republic and representative democracy, "in which majority rule is tempered by minority rights protected by law"
 
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