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Could CA be the 1st state in the US to do away with Welfare?

hypocritexposer

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If people think these types of programs need to continue, they need to speak out against the government waste, instead of defending it.

"But it's always been done that way" "The press has always travelled with the date night entourage"

Maybe it's time for some Genuine change, instead of the Rhetorical Change, that seems to be routinely offered.

Budget plan could doom CalWORKS aid to families, children
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Published Thursday, Jun. 04, 2009

Could California become the first state in the nation to do away with welfare?

That doomsday scenario is on the table as lawmakers wrestle with a staggering $24.3 billion budget deficit.

County welfare directors are "in shock" at the very idea of getting rid of CalWORKs, which has been widely viewed as one of the most successful social programs in the state's history, said Bruce Wagstaff, director of the Department of Human Assistance in Sacramento.

"It's difficult to come up with the right adjective to react to this," Wagstaff said. "It would be devastating to the people we serve."

H.D. Palmer, a spokesman for the state Department of Finance, said California is in an unprecedented fiscal situation that has made all programs, from education to human services, vulnerable to deep and painful reductions.

"I don't wish for a moment to minimize the profound impact" that eliminating CalWORKs would have, Palmer said. "But the easy decisions are way past being in the rearview mirror for us. We face the specter of California not having cash on hand to pay its bills in July."

Wagstaff and other administrators are betting that the state will rescue the "welfare to work" program. But they are bracing for cuts that would slash benefits to the lowest levels since the late 1990s, when CalWORKs began as part of the federal government's bold reform of the welfare system.

"It would be a huge regression," said Nancy O'Hara, assistant director of the Yolo County Department of Employment and Social Services. "My mind reels just thinking about all of this."

California would save $157 million in the general fund by cutting CalWORKs altogether, according to the County Welfare Directors Association. But the group warns that the state would lose some $620 million in federal funds for the program. Palmer put the projected federal loss much higher, at $3.7 billion.

The association argues that eliminating CalWORKs would force thousands of families into homelessness, hurt the state economically and put added pressure on already strapped county assistance programs.

"No other state has eliminated all aid to dependent children, and no other First World country that we are aware of has no safety net for poor families," said Frank Mecca, the group's executive director. "There really is no fallback, especially given the financial condition that most counties are in."

O'Hara predicted higher rates of child abuse and abandonment if CalWORKs were to disappear.

"I can see it happening, like it did during the Great Depression when people could no longer provide for their children," O'Hara said. "I have not allowed myself to think about it in detail. I'm holding out hope that this won't happen."

CalWORKs, which replaced Aid to Families with Dependent Children in California, serves some 525,000 families each month, Mecca said. Welfare caseloads have dropped by half since its inception, he said, although recently they have begun to creep up again because of the wobbly economy.

"CalWORKs represents a real cultural change in the way welfare programs operate, and it's worked. It has proven to be a success," Wagstaff said. "People have gotten jobs. We have seen good outcomes for kids. Poverty rates have gone down. It's almost unthinkable to imagine taking this step backwards."

In Sacramento County, 33,500 families receive CalWORKs benefits, including more than 62,000 children, Wagstaff said. A family of three gets a monthly check of $689, plus food stamps. But CalWORKs does more than simply issue checks, he pointed out. It helps people, many of whom have depended on public assistance for years, learn new skills and get jobs, with subsidies for child care.

"Even as the unemployment rate was going up, we were still putting thousands of people to work," said Wagstaff. "I would argue that when the economy is down, the need for these kinds of services is higher than ever."

Roxanne Morales, 44, lived off welfare "for many years" and credits CalWORKs with turning her life around.

When she learned more than a decade ago that the rules for welfare were changing and she would have to get a job or go to school to retain her benefits, Morales panicked.

"I had my first child at 16," she said. "I had never had a job before. I had no clue. But they pushed me, and I am ever so glad they did."

Today Morales has risen from customer service representative to field supervisor at Maximus Inc., which helps state and local governments manage programs such as Medi-Cal. She is financially independent and happy, she said.

"I would not be in this position today if not for CalWORKs," said Morales. "There is no way they can eliminate this program."

Wagstaff, who helped craft CalWORKs, said he is confident it will survive. "We have no instructions from anyone about shutting it down," he said. "But something big likely is going to happen."

Mecca agreed.

"It's been gratifying to hear from people on both sides of the aisle that eliminating CalWORKs would be unacceptable," said Mecca. "But the magnitude of the state's fiscal problems and the politics in Sacramento are such that we have to take every proposal seriously."

An earlier state budget proposal called for a 6 percent cut in CalWORKs grants, on top of a 4 percent cut scheduled to take effect July 1. It would have eliminated aid to children whose parents are being cut off because they've reached their 60-month time limits for welfare assistance, among other things.

Those cuts might seem palatable next to a proposal to eliminate CalWORKs entirely, Mecca said.

"There is a prevailing view that folks are being softened up for very serious, but less egregious, cuts," he said. "But if that's the strategy, it's reckless and irresponsible."

Palmer said the proposal is no bluff.

"This is not a test," he said.

http://www.sacbee.com/topstories/v-print/story/1917387.html
 

Steve

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Could CA be the 1st state in the US to do away with Welfare?


NO, but they might be the first to do away with a program that actually requires welfare recipients to strive to find work....

If people think these types of programs need to continue, they need to speak out against the government waste, instead of defending it.

most government programs are wasteful, ineffective and inefficient.. even if they are worthwhile.
 

Steve

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When she learned more than a decade ago that the rules for welfare were changing and she would have to get a job or go to school to retain her benefits, Morales panicked.

"I had my first child at 16," she said. "I had never had a job before. I had no clue. But they pushed me, and I am ever so glad they did."

any program that "forces" a person to take responsibility should be encouraged and supported...

An earlier state budget proposal called for a 6 percent cut in CalWORKs grants, on top of a 4 percent cut scheduled to take effect July 1. It would have eliminated aid to children whose parents are being cut off because they've reached their 60-month time limits for welfare assistance, among other things.

makes you wonder if the cuts aren't warranted?

1. Time Limits :
Cash aid is limited to 60 months total in a lifetime for most adults

but to get around the "time limit" rule they allot continuing money and food stamps for the "children".. even when they make the check out to the "adult" ...... :roll: :roll: :wink:
 

hypocritexposer

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I hope you didn't take me posting this as me being against it Steve.

I agree that people will need a hand up every once in awhile. These programs are necessary and valuable.

but they do need limitations put on them, so they are not taken advantage of.

What bugs me, are the priorities set by government.

2 examples recently, that fly by for a photo-op and date night press coverage.

I'm not sure why the Democrats on Ranchers would even defend the use of taxpayer money to fund flying the press all over the country, while programs like the one mentioned in the article are being looked at being cut.

If the press wants to cover the event, buy a plane ticket on your own dime, and let the taxpayer money go to a worthwhile cause.
 

Steve

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hypocritexposer said:
I hope you didn't take me posting this as me being against it Steve.

I agree that people will need a hand up every once in awhile. These programs are necessary and valuable.

but they do need limitations put on them, so they are not taken advantage of.

What bugs me, are the priorities set by government.

2 examples recently, that fly by for a photo-op and date night press coverage.

I'm not sure why the Democrats on Ranchers would even defend the use of taxpayer money to fund flying the press all over the country, while programs like the one mentioned in the article are being looked at being cut.

If the press wants to cover the event, buy a plane ticket on your own dime, and let the taxpayer money go to a worthwhile cause.

as for the "date night",.. I am sure there were plenty of reporters in New York that didn't need to fly anywhere to cover the night out...

Money is constantly wasted in politics and government is just an extension of that waste,..

thus my favorite motto on that subject..

"liberals don't want to support their agenda, they want to force you to support their agenda through regulations and taxes"..
 

CattleArmy

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I would agree with making the recipients of these programs in a sense help themselves some and not able to just live off of the government system. I agree also that for some these programs are a need and in some cases people just abuse them.
 

MoGal

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California is so very careful in not exposing how much of their government programs go to illegal aliens........... in times like these, the american people and especially Californian's cannot support illegal aliens.

Why isn't anyone advocating that California needs to cash in some of its stock/assets that are in their CAFR??? This is the yearly report that lists its assets and when you have 58 billion in stocks, bonds, etc.... just like regular people have to either cut back or cash in the savings account, why can't states do the same thing???

I guess that's one way to get folks to move out of California and go to another state............ are you folks in Arizona and Texas ready for em???
 
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